The Alligator

[Wally Gator]

If you play at B & M Casino's in the US, you may find you'll like this method.

Only for Double (00) Zero Wheels (apologies to my European friends) and only for real wheels.

Hope you find success with it.  All the rules are in the spreadsheet with examples.

Good luck.

Gator

p.s. Thanks to GLC for working on various progressions.  Although I went back to more of my original play in the end, I greatly appreciate your support, George.

[Tomla021]

Thanks Mr. Gator and also to George for throwing his progressions around.

[TwoCatSam]

Wally

I really like it and I thank you.  I'll try this at Riverwind on Thursday.

Question:  In column "B" you have "A" and "0".  What does this represent?

Sam

[Wally Gator]

Thanks Sam, I wish you the best with it.

As for the "A" and "0", they are just arbitrary.  The "A" means a hit and the "0" means a miss.

It's a simple bet, but very powerful (only B&M real wheels, please).

Can it be run into the ground and make it lose?  It's not happened to me, but I'm sure it can be.  Common sense must prevail.

Best, WG

[TwoCatSam]

By golly, Wally, I like it!

They say gaming is coming to the states via Vegas and Atlantic City either this winter or early sprint of 13.  This could be just what we American's need to combat the 00 wheel--which is what it will be, I'm sure.

I got the puppy figured out in jig time.

Thanks a ton..

Samster

(Geez, why can't everyone write instructions like this man?)

[TwoCatSam]

OK, Mr G, I'm going to break your first rule.  (Or was it second?)  Anyway, the wife and I love to go to Riverwind to play roulette.  It is 00, RNG.  I know you said for real wheels only, but we have no choice if we want to play.

They have Roulette Evolution and it is fair.  We can play for .25 per quad.  Don't know about the zero pocket, but I'm sure it's the same.

Win, lose or draw I'll report back.

Sam

[GLC]

p.s. Thanks to GLC for working on various progressions.  Although I went back to more of my original play in the end, I greatly appreciate your support, George.

WG, I do think that we should mention that betting series of 10 bets works pretty well also.  Just bet 1 unit for 10 spins.  If you reach a new profit, reset.  If you reach the end of your spins and you're minus, move to the next level.  Bet 2 units for 10 spins with the same rules.  If reach new profit, reset.  If reach the end of your spins and are still in the hole, move to next level.
You can either stay at each new level until you reach a new profit and then reset all the way back to 1 or you can play D'Alembert style and move up and down 1 level at a time until you reach a new profit.
Suggested progression is: 1-2-3-4-5-7-9-11-13-16-19-22-25
If you are playing D'Alembert style, progression is just 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 etc... 

Since we win 5 or 8 and only lose 4, we can reach a new high with less wins than losses even with a flat bet.

Unfortunately, this method can be much more of a grind than Wally's progression.

Wally,  If you want to keep the topic clean with only 1 bet progression, please feel free to delete this post.

GLC

P.S.  I love the name!

[Wally Gator]

OK, Mr G, I'm going to break your first rule.  (Or was it second?)  Anyway, the wife and I love to go to Riverwind to play roulette.  It is 00, RNG.  I know you said for real wheels only, but we have no choice if we want to play.

They have Roulette Evolution and it is fair.  We can play for .25 per quad.  Don't know about the zero pocket, but I'm sure it's the same.

Win, lose or draw I'll report back.

Sam

Good luck with it, Sam.  I don't believe you'll have the same results as RNG does not afford you the benefit of the wheel sector this takes advantage of.  So, you may lose the streaks.  My recommendation is that you use George's suggested progression if you are playing RNG.  But, for $0.25 a spin, hey, have some fun.  I'll be interested to hear of your result.

[Wally Gator]

WG, I do think that we should mention that betting series of 10 bets works pretty well also.  Just bet 1 unit for 10 spins.  If you reach a new profit, reset.  If you reach the end of your spins and you're minus, move to the next level.  Bet 2 units for 10 spins with the same rules.  If reach new profit, reset.  If reach the end of your spins and are still in the hole, move to next level.
You can either stay at each new level until you reach a new profit and then reset all the way back to 1 or you can play D'Alembert style and move up and down 1 level at a time until you reach a new profit.
Suggested progression is: 1-2-3-4-5-7-9-11-13-16-19-22-25
If you are playing D'Alembert style, progression is just 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 etc... 

Since we win 5 or 8 and only lose 4, we can reach a new high with less wins than losses even with a flat bet.

Unfortunately, this method can be much more of a grind than Wally's progression.

Wally,  If you want to keep the topic clean with only 1 bet progression, please feel free to delete this post.

GLC

P.S.  I love the name!

GLC,


No doubt the progression and method of play you've listed is effective.  Sometimes slow, but effective.  It's probably important to note that your suggestion is a continuous method of play, which for some, is required to remain at a table.

Thanks for adding to the topic.

WG

[TwoCatSam]

Wally

On a personal belief note...........For years I have watched both real and RNGs produce numbers.  I have seen the RNG hit sectors just like the dealer supposedly does.  Until I see concrete evidence--and it may not exist--I will not believe in the "dealer throwing sectors" theory.

I found your system quite easy to understand, but I do have one question:  Why the seven spin window?  Especially--as in the example--when you win your first spin.  Why not  just start a new seven with the next spin?

You mention that with GLC's progression you could bet constantly.  What is the difference between yours and his?

George, I'd love to read your take on this, too.

Sam

[Wally Gator]

Sam,


While I've had some of the same beliefs you have, my experiences over many years have proven to me that there is a difference in playing a real wheel.  Believe me, if I had the same results playing RNG, I'd be doing that.  I simply don't get the same results and there have been times years ago when I had disastrous results.  This is just me and my experience.  I'm glad it's been different for you and where you play.


As for the method of play.  There is no reason why you can't change it up.  It's completely up to you.  I put forth the method the way that I've had tremendous success.  I've played it many different ways.  And, as we both know, there will be people who will drive this strategy into the ground, not watching everything going on during their play, and claim it stinks.  And, so be it.  I'm glad to contribute something that has done well for me over the years.  I hope others find success with it.


Hope I answered your questions.

[TwoCatSam]

Wally

I respect your opinions and am happy to hear you've been playing it for years.

Yesterday, at Dublin, I saw the 8 hit twice in a row, the 30 hit once.  I saw the 17 and numbers around it hit about seven out of ten times.  When a dealer is spinning cw and ccw, how could this phenomena happen?

And I've seen the exact same thing on RNG. 

I'll get back to you.

Sam

[VegasArick]

Thanks for sharing Wally.

I like it at 1st glance.  I will study it a little more

before taking it to a B & M. to make sure I understand

when to increase and decrease. 

Your results are impressive.  I really like the way

you show it all on a Excel SS !!

[hanshuckebein]

hi wally,

I tried to open your attached file. and this is what I got (see picture). 

normally planmaker viewer software displays xlsx files. somehow it can't handle this one.

so could you please use another format to post your system? this would be great. 

thanks and cheers

hans

[Wally Gator]

What format would you suggest?  Do you mean in an earlier version of Excel?