The Alligator

[GLC]

Sam,  I did test this on BV double zero since I don't have any spins from a live double zero wheel.

I did a variety of tests of different even chance bet progressions since this is very close to an even chance bet.  Hitting the zero pocket is pretty important.  The one session where I went the deepest in the hole was because I didn't hit the zero pocket for over 40 spins.

Parlays are for sure a no no because of the decreased chance of a series of wins.  We have to remember that we have 15 winning numbers and 23 losing numbers so any progression that relies on back to back wins is at a definite disadvantage.

I tried playing it using a  Gr8player type progression where I stayed at each level until I reached a new profit or won 5 times then I moved to the next level and stayed there until I won 5 times.

There's nothing sacred about 5 wins, you could use 3 or 10 or if you want to really slow it down to just a step above a flat bet, you could use 20 or more wins before moving to the next level.

You'll be surprised how often you can ride out a losing steak until a cluster of wins comes along and pulls us out fo the hole.  Of course you must be prepared for a long session every now and then.

That's about all I can add to the topic.  Wally's the real expert on this one.  With the most games played and won.  Having never lost is pretty encouraging.

My final comment is, "remember, we have 23 numbers that can hurt us and 15 that help us."  That means there's a losing session out there.  Be prepared for it just in case you're the lucky one to get hit with it.

GLC

[VegasArick]

Wally, I am going thru the SS spin by spin so that I can memorize the rules.

(4) Increase by 1 unit if a series has lost 5 or more spins.

Lines 21 thru 27 show 5 losses "0"

Should line # 28 be a bet for 2 units?

As well as line 29 be a 2 unit bet and a win on the Single Zero for $18

Thanks, just trying to make sure I get it right.

[TwoCatSam]

George

Thanks for that. 

I am seriously considering looking into Bet Phoenix.  I hear they have a 00 real wheel and will let Americans play.  I know a guy who plays there and they pay him.

If I throw $100 at this, I'll certainly post the results.

For this test, I would pay it precisely and exactly as Wally spelled it out.  Doesn't make sense, but then neither does Voodoo!! 

Sam

[Wally Gator]

Wally, I am going thru the SS spin by spin so that I can memorize the rules.

(4) Increase by 1 unit if a series has lost 5 or more spins.

Lines 21 thru 27 show 5 losses "0"

Should line # 28 be a bet for 2 units?

As well as line 29 be a 2 unit bet and a win on the Single Zero for $18

Thanks, just trying to make sure I get it right.

Sorry, I missed this post.  The answer is no.  It's 1 unit because Rule 3 tells you to stop if you are +1 for that series of 7.  So the remaining rules don't kick in.  If you hit on spin 1 or 2 of the series of 7 you are at +1 or more, so you stop and wait for the next series to begin.  If you have to play all 7 spins and you're still not at +1 or more then you would increase your bet according to Rules 4,5 and 6.


Hope that helps.  Thanks for asking and actually, I've not looked at playing using that strategy.  It may have merit if we look at some of the longer series where we are going back and forth (or up and down), they happen.


Good luck.

[TwoCatSam]

Wally

I am working on my template for the Zuma tester.  When I'm finished, I'll do a page or two and post them here.  I'd really appreciate your taking a look and making sure I'm doing it right.  Nothing like doing 5,000 spins and then learn you're doing it wrong.

Yes, I've done that!!

Sam

[GLC]

Wally, I am going thru the SS spin by spin so that I can memorize the rules.

(4) Increase by 1 unit if a series has lost 5 or more spins.

Lines 21 thru 27 show 5 losses "0"

Should line # 28 be a bet for 2 units?

As well as line 29 be a 2 unit bet and a win on the Single Zero for $18

Thanks, just trying to make sure I get it right.

Vegas,  I'm not sure, but I think you're not getting the gist of how this works.  We have 4 locations on the table that we bet on.  We bet the same amount on each location.  You can see from Wally's roulette wheel on his spreadsheet where the bets go.  They never change.  The only thing that changes is the number of units.

Let's say we start a new game.  We bet 1 unit on each of the 4 locations.  Let's say a #10 spins.  That's a win for +5 units. 
If we lose the 1st spin and win the 2nd spin by hitting say #17, we will be at +1.  We lost 4 units on the 1st bet and we lost 3 units on the 2nd bet and we won 8 units on the 2nd bet, so 8-7=+1.

Personally, I reset if either of the 2 above events happens.  I only continue my 7 bet cycle if I lose the 1st 2 bets.  Or, if I lose my 1st 2 bets for -8 and I hit the 0,00,2 basket bet which pays 8 units I reset here also because I am at even after 3 bets.

If we're betting 1 on each location and we lose 5 bets, we move to the next level of betting 2 units on each of the 4 locations.  We never bet 2 on the 7,8,10,11 and 3 on the 17,18, 20, 21 and 1 on the 0, 00, 2 and 2 on the 29, 30, 32, 33.  No mixing bet amounts.

If everything I said above was understood by you, good!  There's probably someone reading who didn't understand it but didn't want to log in and ask for clarification.

Cheers,
GLC

[GLC]

At the risk of getting off on a tangent, I will mention a slight variation for playing this.
That is to play the 0, 00, 2 basket with a separate progression than the 3 corner bets.  We can do this 2 ways.  First, we can play the basket for cycles of 7 bets with it's own progression and we can at the same time play the 3 corners for a cycle of 7 bets with their own progression.

So, we bet 1 on the basket for 7 spins.  If it reaches +1 or higher within the 7 spins, we reset it, but we continue to play the 3 corners for their 7 spin cycle.  If they reach +1, we can reset them.  Any time we reach a new profit overall, we reset both progressions to 1.

So we could be betting the basket at 3 units each spin cycle and the corners for 2 units per spin cycle.  The reason this can make a difference is that we can sometimes go for a good number of spins without hitting the basket which can drag the other 3 bets down and cause our overall draw down to be a lot more.

This is just an idea.  I'm not saying it's better overall, but it can help keep our bet sizes down somewhat.

The other way we can play this is to set up 2 penthouse bet progression lines.
For the basket bet we would use a 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 etc...  Move 1 step to the right on a loss and move eleven steps to the left on a win.

For the corners bets we use a dozen line:  1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 etc... move 1 step to the right on a loss and move 2 steps to the left on a win.  Remember, each 1 actually = 3 units because we're betting on 3 corners at the same time.

Just some ideas.  Not necessarily better than WG's, just a little different.

As always Wally, no hard feelings if you delete this to keep the system steam lined.

I wish there was a way to make suggestions to a topic without them being in the main line of the topic.  It would be nice if they could be footnotes or something.

GLC

[VegasArick]

GLC, & Wally,

thanks for the clarifications.  GLc  I do like the idea of playing the basket on that tiny progression.

[TwoCatSam]

Wally

I need to clarify something.  When you hit the zero basket, you win a net of 8 units.  When you hit a quad, you win a net of 5.

Is that correct?

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Wally

I assumed it was correct as per your spread sheet.

Here is my first few numbers.  Take a look at your method and tell me if I'm doing it right.

I tried to put lines on my template, but Zuma published their book with each page a little different than the one before.  So I just write as carefully as I can.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Wally

I realize I did the math wrong on mine.  I corrected it.

Sam

[Wally Gator]

Wally

I need to clarify something.  When you hit the zero basket, you win a net of 8 units.  When you hit a quad, you win a net of 5.

Is that correct?

Sam

Yes, Sam, that's correct.  I'll look at your spreadsheet in a minute.

[Wally Gator]

Wally

I realize I did the math wrong on mine.  I corrected it.

Sam

Sam, attached are your numbers played correctly.  Hope it helps.

[Wally Gator]

GLC,


George, many thanks for contributing.  Always great to embrace other ideas.  Love the progs .....


WG

[TwoCatSam]

Wally

I will study this completely.  I'll get back to you.

Sam