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My 4-steps system

Started by eddy35, Oct 15, 05:47 PM 2012

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eddy35

Hello Guys,

I am new here and this is my first post. I am not a roulette expert so please be gentle with me  ;)

I created a system that works for me and it might for you. Maybe you have suggestions to make it better and more successful.

It's very simple to play.

I play on the even chances, red/black-od/even-low/high etc
I play both at the same time, so lets say I play red and black.

I start to bet 1 unit on black, when it wins I continue playing the same bet. When it loses I double the bet on black and start to play 1 unit on red.
Now you might think I play an ordinary Martingale but this is not the case. I only play 4 steps Martingale ( 1-2-4-8 ), after 4 steps I stop betting the losing color but continue betting 1 unit on the winning color till it loses. Then I start the cycle again.
So the highest risk is 15 units ( 4 steps martingale) minus 4 units ( win opposite color ) = 11 units. Longer streaks of the same color will decrease the loss. A streak of 9 blacks or reds will give you a loss of only 6 units.
Every time the color changes within 4 spins you win 1 unit. So the most harming are clusters of 4 reds/blacks.

I also play the zero with a low value chip for insurance.

here some excemple :

1   Bet 1 unit on black...................... black comes up, win 1 unit
2   Bet 1 unit on black again...............red comes up, lose 1 unit
3  Now bet 2 units on black, 1 on red..............red comes up
4  Now bet 4 units on black, 1 on red...............black comes up
5  Now you bet 1 unit on black, 2 on red
etc...............
But you stop after the 4th step of the Martingale progression, but you continue to play 1 unit on the winning color so you can use a long streak of red/black to reduce the loss of the cycle played.


What do you think about my little system?

Ralph

Please tell me how you can ever win using this.

First game is allways break even or two losses, can never win.

Second bet is you can win one risking three.

Do you never heard about diff betting?
The best way to fail, is not to try!

GLC

Eddy, 
What Ralph is talking about is when you have to bet 2 on Black and 1 on Red, instead bet 1 on Black and nothing on Red.  It results in the same win or loss but if zero hits betting your way, you lose 3 units but betting differentially you only lose 1 unit when zero hits.

Analysis:  2 on Black and 1 on Red.  If Black wins you win 2 on Black and lose 1 on Red which nets you +1.  If Red wins you win 1 on Red and lose 2 on Black which nets you -1.

Analysis: 1 on Black 0 on Red.  A win on Black wins you +1 and a loss on Red loses you nothing so you have +1.  If Red wins, you win nothing on Red but you only lose 1 on Black so you're still -1.

So, you subtract the lower bet amount from the higher bet amount and bet the difference on the color with the higher bet amount.

Let's say you're betting 8 on Black and 1 on Red.  If zero hits, you lose 9 units.  But if you are betting differentially you would be betting 8-1=7 on Black and nothing on Red.  If zero hits you only lose 7 units, a savings of 2 units.  But if either color hits, you still win or lose the exact same amount.

This is a very old system, most new ones are, that is played more comonly on Pass/Don't Pass in craps exactly like you outline and works better in craps because there's no zero.

The difference is your little addition after 4 losses in a row on one side in that you continue to bet 1 unit on the winning side until a loss and then you go back into your progression.  This is not part of the original system and may be just enough to make it worth looking at again.

Thanks for posting your idea.

Ralph isn't being critical, just pointing out the differential factor.

Don't be shy about posting more thoughts.  That's what keeps the forum going.

GLC
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

Turner

Edd...thanks for posting. Ralphs english is very sharp. Just wait till flatino replies. Hes sharper. But they are very helpful guys.
Im looking at streaks too...but glc said it all about this idea. Keep posting.

dino246

Hi Edd....welcome and thanks for YOUR valid contribution to this INTELLIGENT Forum.

Turner shows great insight regarding two members within the Forum....i wonder what his insight is about me.....i thank him everytime he spots one of my mistakes !!!

What was it Oscar Wilde said......there's only one thing worse than having your system talked about....it's not having it talked about.

Best Regards.

Dino.

Turner

Quote from: Turner on Oct 16, 04:19 AM 2012
Edd...thanks for posting. Ralphs English is very sharp. Just wait till F_LAT_INO replies. he's sharper. But they are very helpful guys.
I'm looking at streaks too...but glc said it all about this idea. Keep posting.
Ur a spurs fan....nuff said :thumbsup:

dino246

Sorry if this is off-topic,but it's gotta be asked....Turner whose the Spurs fan ?


Turner

Quote from: dino246 on Oct 16, 05:01 AM 2012
Sorry if this is off-topic,but it's gotta be asked....Turner whose the Spurs fan ?
You are arnt ya?
You asked what i thought of u...i said ur a spurs fan. Nuff said
Twas a joke of the footie persuasion


eddy35

Maybe it's better when I explain how I came to this strategy.

As a student I used to play roulette with my friend. We played a very simple Martingale on red/black. My friend on one color, I on the other. We were young and naive.
We started the same, playing one color and waiting till it loses, then double and my friend started playing the other color. We played 10 DM/unit and played series of 10 spins. So every 10 spins we won 100 DM. We used to play about 1 hour, 3 X 10 spins = 300 DM. Good money for students.
But sometimes we had to risk 700 DM to win 10 and I realized it's not the way to play.

So I changed the system by capping the Martingale till 4 steps but still playing 2 colors. The reason for that is that you double the profit. You play 2 cycles at the same time and as soon as you finish both cycles you win double.
So if I play 2 on red and 1 on black I am not risking 3 units because one color will always win.

It is very easy to check this system. Just check past spins and count the clusters of the same color.

Clusters of 4 are -11     
Clusters of 5 are -10
Clusters of 6 are -9
etc...................

Evert change of color within 4 spins will give you a profit of +1, so that's all the spins outside the clusters.

When I play low value chips I take the zero as a loss and start the cycle again, when I play higher value chips I cover the zero with an insurance chip.



dino246

Brilliant Turner....i thought that's what you meant but with the blue box i wasn't completely sure ?????

Are YOU a Gooner ?

If YOU are.....Respect !! (since 71' anyway)

Cheers.
Dino.

ander

Quote from: eddy35 on Oct 16, 05:35 AM 2012
Maybe it's better when I explain how I came to this strategy.

As a student I used to play roulette with my friend. We played a very simple Martingale on red/black. My friend on one color, I on the other. We were young and naive.
We started the same, playing one color and waiting till it loses, then double and my friend started playing the other color. We played 10 DM/unit and played series of 10 spins. So every 10 spins we won 100 DM. We used to play about 1 hour, 3 X 10 spins = 300 DM. Good money for students.
But sometimes we had to risk 700 DM to win 10 and I realized it's not the way to play.

So I changed the system by capping the Martingale till 4 steps but still playing 2 colors. The reason for that is that you double the profit. You play 2 cycles at the same time and as soon as you finish both cycles you win double.
So if I play 2 on red and 1 on black I am not risking 3 units because one color will always win.

It is very easy to check this system. Just check past spins and count the clusters of the same color.

Clusters of 4 are -11     
Clusters of 5 are -10
Clusters of 6 are -9
etc...................

Evert change of color within 4 spins will give you a profit of +1, so that's all the spins outside the clusters.

When I play low value chips I take the zero as a loss and start the cycle again, when I play higher value chips I cover the zero with an insurance chip.

Sounds reasonable, but I would suggest you start playing No Zero Roulette. Then you will not have to insurance bet.
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jarabo002


The system looks promising, but there's something not quite understand in the example you give us.

In the 5 bet, you say     "bet 1 unit on black, 2 on red"

It would not be right to bet only 1 in black and start again in the same color?

I am a bit confused, maybe for my very bad english.



Thanks O0
Uno de Badajoz que pasaba por aquí.

eddy35

Quote from: jarabo002 on Oct 26, 07:17 AM 2012
The system looks promising, but there's something not quite understand in the example you give us.

In the 5 bet, you say     "bet 1 unit on black, 2 on red"

It would not be right to bet only 1 in black and start again in the same color?

I am a bit confused, maybe for my very bad English.



Thanks O0

Black won, so you continue playing 1 unit on black and double red to 2.

eddy35

Quote from: ander on Oct 26, 03:39 AM 2012
Sounds reasonable, but I would suggest you start playing No Zero Roulette. Then you will not have to insurance bet.

Betvoyager doesn't allow bets on red and black at the same time.

eddy35

I made a calculation about this system and checked the worst case scenario of 28% of the colors within a cluster

So 100 spins, 28% within a cluster is 28. Worst case scenario is 7 clusters of 4. So you lose 7X11= 77 chips, you win 73.  Almost break even, You might lose a few chips with the zero but not that much. Note that 28% within a cluster can still be profitable if the clusters are longer then 4.
I checked a lot of spins, 28% within a cluster is a very high percentage, most of the time it is between 20 and 25%.
I am still in testing mode but I noticed that losses ( I always calculate 200 spin sessions ) are very limited ( never more then 25 units ) but winnings can reach more then 80 units. And it has much more winning sessions..

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