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Started by MumboJumbo, May 30, 04:51 AM 2016

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nottophammer

Quote from: The General on Jun 14, 04:25 PM 2016



In any given sample, there will always be one number that hits more than the others after a specific number has hit.  However, the best number will bob up and down and will gradually change over and over to other numbers as the spin sample grows.  In short, there's nothing statistically relevant to be found.

Note on the data:  There were 13,208 spins.  There were 345 times when we were able to see exactly which number hit after the number 32 had hit out of the 13,208 spins.  The graph represents a standard deviation graph of the 345 numbers that immediately hit after the number 32 has hit.
I have the wheel signature graphs as well if you'd like to see them.

With all these records of spins, would you agree with Luck of the Irish who simulated 500,000 37 spin cycle sets that 24#'s is average for 37 spins
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

MumboJumbo


denzie

Nice....now post all the others that doesn't work  ;)
As spins roll off our predictions get better

MumboJumbo

Some day you will be like a pro. :thumbsup:

denzie

Who knows. Wouldn't bother me .lol.
Seriously though. .... your name fits you well.
As spins roll off our predictions get better

MumboJumbo


nottophammer

Mumbo
can you put up one a day, #31 whether it would pay?
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

MumboJumbo

I can't because I live 30km far from the city where this type of electronic roulette is, so I am not often in this casino.

nottophammer

same reason, easier to play on FOBT's,with minimum unit so not to get to there maximum bet off £100
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

The General

Mumbo,

What are you testing for?

I have thousands and thousands of machine spins if that's what you need.  Are you still testing to see which numbers tend to hit most after a specific number has hit?
If so I can provide you with some short cuts for your data research.

Just trying to be helpful.
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The General

Mumbo,

What are you testing for?

I have thousands and thousands of machine spins if that's what you need.  Are you still testing to see which numbers tend to hit most after a specific number has hit?
If so I can provide you with some short cuts for your data research.

Just trying to be helpful.
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

MumboJumbo

Quote from: The General on Oct 03, 12:13 PM 2016
Mumbo,

What are you testing for?
  Are you still testing to see which numbers tend to hit most after a specific number has hit?
Yes, because in any roulette wheel I believe that chaos is same, so one number must hit after specific number in most cases. No need for your data thanks.

nottophammer

Quote from: The General on Oct 03, 12:13 PM 2016
Mumbo,

What are you testing for?

I have thousands and thousands of machine spins if that's what you need.  Are you still testing to see which numbers tend to hit most after a specific number has hit?
If so I can provide you with some short cuts for your data research.

Just trying to be helpful.
General sir, do,do,do you stutter, two posts the same,same,same, same,
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

The General

Mumbo,

I can handily simulate, and have in the past, exactly what you're testing and provide you with some results if you'd like.

However, I doubt that you're going to like the results.

Regardless, here are some pointers to help you out:

1. Don't assume that one number will tend to follow another number on all wheels.  There is no universal pocket yardage for roulette wheels.  Every wheel is different and has it's own nuances and biases.

2. In Microsoft Excel you can use the sort filter function on large streams of numbers to quickly group numbers that hit after other numbers.

3. Don't test by hand, you're too likely to make mistakes.  It's goofy and weird.  You can't test enough spins this way.  You're also very likely to unintentionally curve fit your test results.

4. By using a dealer's signature spreadsheet, you can easily plot the yardage in pockets that show how far the ball hits from the last number to have hit. 

5. The number following number fallacy is common.  Numerous gambler's believe in it.  It stems from conspiracies and paranoia, but there is a root of viability to it related to wheel biases and dealer's signature.  Basically biased numbers do tend to clump a little bit when playing conditions are optimal.  Consequently the biased numbers will appear to follow each other more frequently than normal.  This appearance is really just the result of the numbers hitting frequently, not becuase they are "due" to hit in any specific order.   It makes more sense to track for bias, than it does to try and exploit the number following number fallacy.\

6. Yes, it's a machine and they do some interesting things.  Rather than track just the numbers, track the number that the ball first impacts before bouncing each spin.  Then graph this data.  If the wheel is following any pattern, then you're going to find it more quickly by stripping away the randomness of a ball bouncing around.  If you really want to get fancy, then graph the number that is below a specific ball deflector at the end of each spin.  This will enable you to reduce the size of your testing sample even further by stripping away even more randomness.

7. Plotting the distance in pockets of the worst sections in relation to the best sections is interesting on some machines.

8.  Don't be afraid to ask for help.  Feel free to ask questions. 

-The General
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

nottophammer

General
there that was not hard, a nice informative post.
I'll give you a thumbs up
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