The Juggler

[ignatus]

I invented my own system for hotnumbers. Flatbetting.

Works very well. +1351 in 600 live spins. (1 unit bets)

The Juggler

1) Always bet the number that appear twice in the 23 spin history until 7 numbers are bet

2) Use notepad write the numbers down in the sequence they appear

3) When a number hit, move it to the latest number

4) When a new number appear twice in the 23 spin history, remove the oldest number in the list of 7 numbers and add it to newest number

[rouletteKEY]

I play a method similar to this except with a couple tweaks....start tracking when you are comfortable...as a number hits for the second time start playing it.  Don't wait for all your numbers to come into play as you may have already missed a win or two and they could have been wins while you were playing just one or two numbers...the best kind of wins.

Go up to 5 numbers (absolute max) and play for 4-5 wins (use your judgement)

You are basically trying to catch a cycle of repeaters, obviously...but if you miss...it can miss badly and you end up with 10 numbers with 2 hits and nothing ever gets the third, which is of course where you win...leaving you wondering or creating rules as to which of the 10 numbers with two hits to play.  Don't try to fight the system, you are likely in a wave of numbers that you are not going to make profitable...bail out.

Normally if it's going to go well it starts out quick and you see drawdowns only in the 10-20 unit range before it gets going with a win or two.  If you have mis-timed the attack you need to stop, take the loss, and start re-tracking 18-24 spins from where you started tracking the last session.  Normally that puts you in a better attacking position.

Don't get greedy and carry this out to try to get that last win.  After the fourth or fifth win (depending on where I am for the session + or -) I play two more spins after that last victory...if it stays hot I get another win or two.  If it cools down I am out of the bet and only gave back 10 units (because I am only betting a max of 5 numbers)

If you are confident in your timing you can also go with a positive progression (a slight one) as you play out the cycle.  It generally works with a flat bet quite well.  Just keep it on a short leash for drawdowns...if it goes poorly and you stick around too long it forces you to start your next session at double the units (I am not suggesting here to try to make it back all in the next session if you go down in flames...I am saying that this method can have some big drawdowns especially if you are going to use 7 numbers and if you don't implement a stop-loss you could have a pretty deep hole to dig out of)  Money management is key to this, but with proper use it can be a very good long-term method to use.

There are alot of little tweaks you can use, by using a positive progression on just the numbers that have paid wins you can really parlay some wins into something special.

Generally including the tracking this is complete in 35-42 spins

[ignatus]

rouletteKEY. Interesting  Thanks

[Proofreaders2000]

4) When a new number appear twice in the 23 spin history, remove the oldest number in the list of 7 numbers and add it to newest number--Ignatus

Nice graph...great concept and name The Juggler

*Do you need seven numbers? How about three or four?

[ignatus]

Thanks proof

Well, I think 7 numbers are needed for the frequency of hits.

Playing with 4 numbers the graph will look something like this (see pic - this was playing with 4 hotnumbers)

[rouletteKEY]

Just for conversations sake...if you use the stoploss and reset the system to begin 18 spins after the slow start or string of losses as I described earlier...would that take most of the dips out of your 4 number graph for the most part (especially the large dips for sure)? 

I track manually so I don't know how a programmed tracker would have to be coded to handle all that.

But it looks alot like you are taking losing hits in the 10-20 spin range as I described happens in my method.  If you bail out of that bet and cut your losses...the graph may get better.  If you add a unit on a win to the number that hit for a win you don't kill your method and if you really get a hot number you are amped up pretty nicely for a couple bigger hits as well.

Just a thought...as in most methods...it doesn't always work...but it works alot and when it does...it sure covers a bunch of small blips on the radar in a hurry.

As I stated before, the trick to this is money management...you have to identify a losing wave and get out before it consumes too much profit.

You can write rules for this but sometimes experience comes into play a little bit regarding when to attack with higher unit values either to recover from a dip, or to accentuate a surge.

Sometimes a human element is necessary.

My two cents

[ignatus]

rouletteKEY. Alright, but I won't play with less than 7 numbers with this method.

+1899 in 800 live-spins, flatbetting. 

[rouletteKEY]

That looks about right without the added punch of the additional units on the winners and figuring 7 numbers instead of 5.   

Maybe some other players who frequently use 4/5 numbers or less can chime in with their thoughts and experiences.  I am sure that I'm not the only one using a method like that

[frank.jackson]

I created account to share with ya that i used to play almost the same as this method an it dunt work in long run.

Frank

[rouletteKEY]

I think if you ran it with less numbers you would find it to be about as stable on the downside as your graph shows with your 7 numbers if you implement a stop loss and reboot style of play and an upside with even more punch than you have with seven.

In my play if graphed it would have a decent amount of slow steady growth, a few dips of course, some straight out lateral movement and a few big jumps.  The steady growth usually slightly outpaces the stop loss dips so you generally have a small profit and then a few big surges, which of course is what makes it all worthwhile.

It's not an all or nothing style of play though because you have excellent downward stability when utilizing the stop loss countermeasures...but when the upside kicks in...it's nice.  It's just grinding out everything in-between and getting synched with the flow of the wheel.

I'm old school so its all paper and pen for me...but if you can point me in the direction of your graphing software I might give it a try...thanks

[ignatus]

rouletteKEY. Ok, still I don't understand your argument using fewer numbers? Hit rate will be less, also chance for losing streaks will be greater. My method works good using 7 numbers, and the system for selecting hotnumbers....

I'm using Roulette Xtreme for making graphs link:://:.uxsoftware.com/pages/download.html Trial Version (meny: Report ->Bankroll balancy trend) then I take a screenshot of that, paste in paint (contr +v) then cut the graph etc.. save as jpg. well, you know the rest. It's not hard

Cheers

[rouletteKEY]

Ignatus...we are actually very close to being on the same page here.

The argument for less numbers is this...they are better numbers...when we win we only have a couple losing bets and when we lose we aren't going down too fast...we can sustain a longer attack on numbers we feel are better qualified and more likely to give us a better strike rate on a per number basis. 

I could bet 30 numbers on an American wheel and have a great strike rate...only eight chances to lose completely.  But even on a win I have 29 losing bets eating into my margin. 

If a method works great for you go with it...you were very close to a method I have used with considerable success for alot of years...ALOT of YEARS.  I was trying to help you with a tweak from years and years of experience...

Since you post about 60 new methods a month I thought since you were actually close to one that would work, and may even work with your bankroll I would try to help.  Wasn't looking to get into a pissing match...I'll play a max of 5 with a stop loss, knowing that I usually am only playing a few spins with even 5 qualified numbers...you play 7 without a stop loss.  We can compare notes again in a few years...I will still be playing this...you will be on method 42,116.

If I could tweak this down to playing 3 or 4 numbers max I would...just haven't been able to get the triggers right for long runs of success.

You need to hit the hot numbers when they are hot and the cold ones when waking up and I would allocate my money about 80/20 towards the hot...but to play 7 numbers continuously leaves you open to some drawdowns that are potentially large between hot streaks.  Large enough to wipe out the hot streaks.

Every method can look great on an 800 spin trial and your chart looks great...but you haven't seen where 7 numbers goes down in flames yet and if you are overconfident in your method you won't abandon the bet when you need to in order to keep your winnings.  Or worse, when you get your monthly bankroll you will come in on the wrong part of the cycle of numbers and be bust because you don't have the staying power with your bankroll playing 7 numbers to sustain any losing streak whatsoever.

If I may insert something here...You never seem to ask many questions and certainly not what I think may be the right question for you as you learn this game...maybe you have and I haven't seen it because I generally tune out of your posts of late...do you study money management aspects of the game?  Do you ever calculate what kind of bankroll you need for all of your systems in order to give them an honest to gods chance to really win?  At 5 numbers max with a stop loss I don't think you can play with anything less than 200 units, and 300 would sure be alot nicer (don't care if your units are 5 cents or $25).

At 7 numbers max without a stoploss you should probably have a 400 unit or better bankroll.  Am I saying that you need to cover a 400 unit drawdown in one session?  No  But let's say you lose 100 in the first session and another 50 in the second...now you have 250 left of 400...where is your head now?  Where is your confidence?  Can you make good bets now or are you doomed to failure?  These are questions only you can answer and since your posts indicate you don't have much if any real time on a wheel this is where most inexperienced players I see go all in to get it back...sometimes it even works...but most times they get a taste of success just before they lose the rest of it.  I am trying to help you not become that person.

There are lots of people on these forums that have seen and bet on thousands of spins.  My advice may not be worth a cr*p, but there are more people here who may have advice that may be more helpful.  I urge you to ask questions.  I responded to your post because I thought you were actually coming around and I actually saw you asking questions in other threads trying to learn.  I certainly don't have all the answers and my method may go down in flames the first time someone looks at it...nothing wins em all.  But it's been a proven winner for me for a long time and thought maybe it was a foundation you could build on and tweak to make your own.

I'll leave you alone again for awhile now to develop your next 40 winning methods

[ignatus]

rouletteKEY. Thanks for your ideas. Well, tweaks are always welcome. But still I cannot agree with argument that playing with less numbers would be better in any way. The fear of loss: Playing with less numbers *increase* the chance of losing streaks. It will not improve anything. Removing 2-3 numbers with this method would only be worse. Hit rate is high playing with seven numbers, and the bet selection is good.

I rather not play any other method than this one, it's flatbetting, no progression, high hitrate, good selection of hotnumbers etc. I do 300-400 more spins tomorrow. I doubt the graph will change to a sudden drop (if that didn't happen for 800 spins already?) :/

[kevint3]

RouletteKey...say you get your 5 number triggers (all have appeared twice) and you are betting on them, then up comes a new number that has hit twice...do you take your bet off that first number that hit twice always updating and maintaining that 5 number bet at all times or do you stick to the first 5 numbers that have hit twice until your stop-loss has been met or you have profited??

[rouletteKEY]

I stick with my first 5.

In alot of cases you are either near the end of the run before you start getting a bunch of additional triggers or you have bailed on that run at a stop-loss point.

It seems to come in waves...On a typical winning run I get a couple wins while I'm on 1 or 2 numbers, then a couple more with only 3 or 4 numbers and I am deciding whether to continue for that last win or not when the 5th number comes out in alot of cases.   On the flip side...sometimes you get 5 triggers right away without a win (obviously you are in a trough) and I am out of the bet before I end up with more decisions to make about which to play. 

Once you bail on an attack it's time to decide whether you are tracking back to a start point 18 or 24 spins after the initial tracking for the last run started (I use 18 or 24 because for some other methods I play I track in 6 spin increments) If you have alot of qualified 2 spin winners already without any triples you might want to look at the 24 spin increment.

Money management is crucial in this method.

Obviously everything in between happens too but as long as you are careful on the downside protection and learn your cycles, with patience comes some very big wins that keeps you in the plus.