The Juggler

[TwoCatSam]

Thanks for asking.  She is in rehab three times a week, but she is doing fine.  I did learn one thing through this ordeal:  She can hit as hard with her left hand as her right!!   

[ignatus]

MrJ. Thanks.

TwoCatSam. Because I use Roulette Xtreme, and it shows 23 spins history.

[rayhd63]

Hi Ignatus,

sorry but I don't realy get it. Tried a few spins and never got going. Especialy my graphs never looked that nice as yours 

So to understand, you always bet on 7 numbers that have hit 2 times within 23 spins ?

You are waiting till you have 7 numbers to bet on ?

If, on the 24th spin a new double apears, you delete the first double spin recorded ?

Thanks for clearing this.

Ray

[ignatus]

Hi Ignatus,

sorry but I don't realy get it. Tried a few spins and never got going. Especialy my graphs never looked that nice as yours 

So to understand, you always bet on 7 numbers that have hit 2 times within 23 spins ?

You are waiting till you have 7 numbers to bet on ?

If, on the 24th spin a new double apears, you delete the first double spin recorded ?

Thanks for clearing this.

Ray

"So to understand, you always bet on 7 numbers that have hit 2 times within 23 spins ?" Yes, that's right

"You are waiting till you have 7 numbers to bet on ?" No, I bet them as they come (in the beginning)

"If, on the 24th spin a new double apears, you delete the first double spin recorded ?" Yes

Try more spins. It can take awhile (before the first hit) in the beginning. You *could* wait until seven number hit twice and bet them, but then chances are you miss afew hits. Strange you don't get regular hits? Hope you are not playing on RNG?? I never failed with this method so far, I did 1500 spins.

[amk]

Hello ignatus,


First I would like to thank you for sharing this very impressive flat bet system. It looks like it just keeps flowing along.


I want to double check to see if I got every detail.




     1               2              3               4              5              6              7
23 spins    23 spins   23 spins   23 spins   23 spins   23 spins   23 spins   


  1#            1#             1#            1#
                                                   HIT




     4
23 spins

    1#
   HIT




4 now becomes the last group but we continue to bet on this number




When      5         gets a number to hit twice   4   now is removed from the list and we continue on
          23 spins                                          23 spins
(could be group 1 or 3 etc)



When we get to the stage that we  have 7 groups we start to remove the HIT group and add the new group on continually.


Could you show some examples with just groups numbers and a HIT on one of them


For example:  * = HIT


1  2  3  4  5*


5  1  2  3  4 6


5  1  2*  3  4  6


2  1  3  4  6

                                                                 

[ignatus]

I was a little worried by rayhd63 statement, so I played live now at DublinBet. Perhaps not a very impressive chart? But point is, I recovered from the negative trend for the first 100 spins. (you always recover from negative trends)...

amk. Thanks... I don't really get your explanation, but I try to explain again..

First, you *could* play this betting on numbers hit twice for the last 10 spins etc (if you're not using Roulette Xtreme), When a number hit twice you write it down in the notepad in the sequence they appear. So, you got 7 numbers hit twice, for the latest 23 or 10 spins; (in notepad) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. Now, lets say number 3 hits. Then you move it to the latest number in the sequence, so it would look like this:

1 2 4 5 6 7 3

Now, lets say number 4 hit. Then you move number 4 to the latest in the sequence:

1 2 5 6 7 3 4

OK, so now a new number 12 appear twice (in the 10 or 23 spin history). So you remove the oldest number and add it to the latest:

2 5 6 7 3 4 12

Now let's say 5 hits, then you move it to the latest:

2 6 7 3 4 12 5

In that way you will keep on "Juggle" with the numbers! 

[amk]

Thanks ignatus,


Would you mind if someone who feels he or she has a good grasp on the method explains it a little?


Could someone who feels they really understand the method explain it for us?




I think I am starting to see it but could use a little more help, visuals would be helpful

[ignatus]

Thanks ignatus,


Would you mind if someone who feels he or she has a good grasp on the method explains it a little?


Could someone who feels they really understand the method explain it for us?




I think I am starting to see it but could use a little more help, visuals would be helpful

It's not very hard. (read the description in the first post)  I can do another example with numbers (it will be a long one) What is it that you don't understand? :/

[ignatus]

(bet on the last 10 number hit twice in this example)

34
8
33
16
0
9
15
36
8       ___________8 hit twice (for the last 10 spins). Bet 8. Also write it down in notepad
6
24
5
28
33
7
3
4
26
34
2
36
4    ______________4 hit twice. Bet 4 and 8
0
24
10
8   ______________8 hit. move it to the latest-> 4, 8
13
14
6
13 ______________13 hit twice. Bet 4, 8, 13
6   ______________6 hit twice. Bet 4, 8, 13, 6
20
26
9
16
3
6  ______________6 hit. it's already the latest so no change
26 _____________26 hit twice. Bet is now 4, 8, 13, 6, 26
20 _____________20 hit twice. Bet is now 4, 8, 13, 6, 26, 20
12
15
5
2
3 ______________3 hit twice. (7 numbers are bet) 4,8,13,6,26,20,3
14
2   _____________2 hit twice. Number 4 is removed and 2 is added to latest: 8,13,6,26,20,3,2
18
18 _____________18 hit twice. Number 8 is removed and 18 is added to latest:  13,6,26,20,3,2,18
2  ______________2 hits. It's moved to the latest: 13,6,26,20,3,18,2
11
36
14 ______________14 hit twice. Number 13 is removed and 14 added to latest: 6,26,20,3,2,18,14
25
9
24
5
4
11 ____________11 hit twice. Number 6 is removed and 11 is added to latest: 26,20,3,2,18,14,11
23
12
30
12 ____________12 hits twice. Number 26 is removed and 12 added to latest 20,3,2,18,14,11,12
8
34
13
22
7
5
13 ___________13 hits twice Number 20 is removed and 13 added to latest 3,2,18,14,11,12,13
12  ___________12 hits. it's moved to the latest 3,2,18,14,11,13,12
10
12 ___________ 12 hits. It's already latest so no change.
1
32
18 ___________18 hits. it's moved to the latest 3,2,14,11,13,12,18
5
10 ___________10 hits twice. Number 3 is removed and 10 added to latest: 2,14,11,13,12,18,10
24
11  ___________11 hits. it's moved to latest: 2,14,13,12,18,10,11
18 ____________18 hits. it's moved to latest: 2,14,13,12,10,11,18
17
11 ____________11 hits. it's moved to latest: 2,14,13,12,10,18,11


Hope I got it right, and that you can understand better from this example. 

[amk]

Many thanks ignatus. I think I am getting the hang of it.

You could delete replys #34 #36 #37 and this one so that your thread flows nicely.

[Proofreaders2000]

Well Ignatus you have a system that is effective, easy to remember and can
make a decent profit in a relatively short time.  Congratulations        

Now, you have to find out what type of wheels it will win on: Euro or
American or both, RNG?  (Not all wheels are easily beaten)

[ignatus]

amk. np Seems like I can't remove Anything? :/ They took that function away! 

Proof. Thanks. I haven't played it on American wheel or RNG. (RNG doesn't make any sense, so wouldn't recommend that!) I only played on euro live wheel. 


I took a nap and slept afew hours, so I will be awake half the night. I'll do another live session now and post the result! bbl!

[ignatus]

I totally lost my patience with this method. Obviously you must do 200-300 spins before profit. I don't have the time for that. Especially playing live. :/

This was a live session at DublinBet.

[rouletteKEY]

Every method can look great on an 800 spin trial and your chart looks great...but you haven't seen where 7 numbers goes down in flames yet and if you are overconfident in your method you won't abandon the bet when you need to in order to keep your winnings.  Or worse, when you get your monthly bankroll you will come in on the wrong part of the cycle of numbers and be bust because you don't have the staying power with your bankroll playing 7 numbers to sustain any losing streak whatsoever.

If I may insert something here...You never seem to ask many questions and certainly not what I think may be the right question for you as you learn this game...maybe you have and I haven't seen it because I generally tune out of your posts of late...do you study money management aspects of the game?  Do you ever calculate what kind of bankroll you need for all of your systems in order to give them an honest to gods chance to really win?  At 5 numbers max with a stop-loss I don't think you can play with anything less than 200 units, and 300 would sure be a lot nicer (don't care if your units are 5 cents or $25).

At 7 numbers max without a stoploss you should probably have a 400 unit or better bankroll.  Am I saying that you need to cover a 400 unit drawdown in one session?  No  But let's say you lose 100 in the first session and another 50 in the second...now you have 250 left of 400...where is your head now?  Where is your confidence?  Can you make good bets now or are you doomed to failure?  These are questions only you can answer and since your posts indicate you don't have much if any real time on a wheel this is where most inexperienced players I see go all in to get it back...sometimes it even works...but most times they get a taste of success just before they lose the rest of it.  I am trying to help you not become that person.

There are lots of people on these forums that have seen and bet on thousands of spins.  My advice may not be worth a cr*p, but there are more people here who may have advice that may be more helpful.  I urge you to ask questions.  I responded to your post because I thought you were actually coming around and I actually saw you asking questions in other threads trying to learn.  I certainly don't have all the answers and my method may go down in flames the first time someone looks at it...nothing wins em all.  But it's been a proven winner for me for a long time and thought maybe it was a foundation you could build on and tweak to make your own.

I'll leave you alone again for awhile now to develop your next 40 winning methods

Holy Cr*p Batman...just call me Nostrafriggindamus...who'd a thunk it at the first turn of adversity we're ready to chuck the system

Just a thought (hint, hint, nudge, nudge)...less numbers...with a stop-loss

Don't let it dig you in too deep

Consider money management strategies for successfully coming out after losing mini-sessions...trust me it works

You don't have to re-invent the wheel so to speak...a little adjustment here and there is all it takes sometimes...focus on a method and really see it through...you're talking again about scattering methods all over the place like people who surrounded me at the table today and left all their money at the casino by scattering chips all over the friggin table.

Focus all that energy in one worthwhile direction...please!

[amk]

ignatus,


I agree with roulettekey on many points. However, I would consider the option of playing with a bot. Yes somedays it might take a longtime to reach your unit goal but the bot is playing for you. 200 300 spins live wheel is a longtime but very possible.


Don't overlook the bot option.