Juggler 2

[ignatus]

I would normally give you my advice on your question, Ignatus....but you really don't listen. You don't want to listen for some reason.

I am not wasting time typing. Sounds nasty...but it isnt. I don't take it personally. You don't listen to anyone.

i have got better at roulette. I did it by listening. Talking advise.

Turner

It's not true Turner. Ofcourse I listen. Juggler 2 came out of all critics some wishing to use less numbers. Also I wanted to use a tweak to increase the hitrate by betting numbers hit 3 times only.

That I have a bad patience playing live is another question? I wished to have immediate profits, but guess I must have more patience and do more spins...

[Turner]

It's not true Turner. Ofcourse I listen. Juggler 2 came out of all critics some wishing to use less numbers. Also I wanted to use a tweak to increase the hitrate by betting numbers hit 3 times only.

That I have a bad patience playing live is another question? I wished to have immediate profits, but guess I must have more patience and do more spins...

Ok...but if you want immediate profits, you will crash and burn.

I am open to criticism by what i am about to say.....

There is only 1 roulette. its on a real wheel in a bonified licened Casino. It has a real person spinning. it will be a Huxley wheel. it will be a named Casino chain. This is where you aim your system at.
This produces real random roulette numbers. This is where the dreams of spin prediction computers come. This is where the dreams of VB and dealer signature come. This is real roulette. This is what we are trying to beat.

if you can't handle 40-50 spins per hour, you should be sat at the blackjack table.

Turner

[ignatus]

Turner. Yes, you're right. I should have more patience.

I have given up playing on RNG roulette. All my testing is real spins, real wheels.

Smoczoor tested it on live wheel with good result. I had a "bad run" it was a neutral trend, I'm sure that would change with more spins.

I wish to change the rules as I said; Increase the size of the "waiting room" (numbers hit twice, and old numbers hit 3 times etc ) how much I'm not sure. Because these numbers can sleep and start hitting again etc.

Other ideas how to improve this method (if possible) are welcome. Main idea is to catch "hotnumbers" as they come

[Turner]

Turner. Yes, you're right. I should have more patience.

I have given up playing on RNG roulette. All my testing is real spins, real wheels.

Smoczoor tested it on live wheel with good result. I had a "bad run" it was a neutral trend, I'm sure that would change with more spins.

I wish to change the rules as I said; Increase the size of the "waiting room" (numbers hit twice, and old numbers hit 3 times etc ) how much I'm not sure. Because these numbers can sleep and start hitting again etc.

Other ideas how to improve this method (if possible) are welcome. Main idea is to catch "hotnumbers" as they come

I enjoyed reading that....mainly because it would seem you may of listened a little.

Keep trying...the answers are coming

Turner

[ignatus]

Turner. Thanks 

[rouletteKEY]

Thanks Sam, I guess you're right

rouletteKEY. yes, I agree. I like "catch the 8 train"...problem with hotnumbers is the can fall asleep. I haven't played it so much but it reset after awhile? it's near perfection in that case. Because you cannot win on hotnumber for infinity, they stop hitting after awhile (that's my experience anyway) but reset after 8 hits etc and collecting new hotnumbers would work very well.

Hot numbers are hot numbers because they aren't sleepers...yes they can start to cool down or drop off the edge altogether and that may happen while you are betting on them...please really read the method through a few times and play it out on some test spins.  It ends at 8 if I remember right because Ken (MrJ) questioned whether chasing beyond 8 was worthwhile...I could be wrong...going by memory here.

Because you are also tracking other numbers maybe the second hottest number overtakes the number that may have been hot from hits 4-6 and then a new number carries out the 8 hit string...isn't this exactly what you are striving for?  The hottest of the hot numbers during x amount of continuous spins?

I don't have time right now to go back and re-read everything on that...but I am a student of the game and particularly of small target inside betting so I doubt I am far off on my presumptions...re-read it a few times for yourself and see if it doesn't fill in some of the blanks for you.

On the method I use that I described to you in Juggler I....you were done with the whole betting process generally within 35-42 spins (actually betting on maybe 20-25 of those spins after tracking)  Is there nothing in that method that could help tweak your situation for instant gratification as well as not waiting too long and taking a chance on a hot number cooling down? I know you immediately dismissed it as not having enough numbers to bet on...but that hurdle seems to have been lowered somewhat now.  Congrats on that

Just my initial thoughts here

[MrJ]

Now stick with it a while.  Don't come up with "The tight rope walker".  Or "The knife thrower".

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11304.msg99465#msg99465

[Proofreaders2000]

@Ignatus: If you do come up with new systems, like building a car/vehicle they have to be easier to use than previous methods, more accuracy, and take less time to execute.  Any progress in those areas are improvements.
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Also here is Track Four software to track how often particular number(s) hit for Juggler 2.

[ignatus]

Thanks proof. 

Well, this argument fewer number are better are pure bullshit in my humble opinion. It's not as effective as it should be. I don't understand why you always argue for playing with less numbers??? It's useless and bad. Timewasting and ineffective.

I will play Juggler with 9 numbers minumum from now on. Do as you wish, I DON'T like playing with less numbers. It's just a very bad idea.

This was a live session with 5 numbers. (The "waiting room" was infinite numbers, didn't remove any) As I said, the result would SURE be better playing with more numbers.

[Proofreaders2000]

I don't understand why you always argue for playing with less numbers???--Ignatus

Because over time you will spend a lot of money placing chips on a lot of numbers.
Ideally you want three numbers or less at a time per spin, flat-betting.

If the system has any kind of accuracy:
1) (One of) three numbers should hit within 10 spins.
2) (One of) two numbers should hit within 15 spins.
3) One number should hit within 30 spins.
*Maybe four numbers--(One of) four numbers should hit within eight spins.

[ignatus]

I don't understand why you always argue for playing with less numbers???--Ignatus

Because over time you will spend a lot of money placing chips on a lot of numbers.
Ideally you want three numbers or less at a time per spin, flat-betting.

If the system has any kind of accuracy:
1) (One of) three numbers should hit within 10 spins.
2) (One of) two numbers should hit within 15 spins.
3) One number should hit within 30 spins.
*Maybe four numbers--(One of) four numbers should hit within eight spins.

I don't want to argue with you Proof, you are one of the best people here on the forum. 

But I still think that is an unrealistic goal to imagine 4 numbers or less will make regular hits. In reality that won't happen. Hits are distributed among more numbers. Actually you'd lose MORE if betting on fewer number cause they don't hit so much.

One hit could save you, and make alot of difference if you're betting on more numbers, also save you from long bad streaks. 9 numbers hit more frequently. You can see for yourself in the chart? I had a neutral trend for 200 spins playing with 5 numbers. That's not very effective... :/

I think the argument "you lose less if you betting on fewer numbers" is a very bad argument.

[Smoczoor]

So new Juggler ver. 2.2 looks like

infinite waiting room and 5 betting number?

So i will test it now and post my live session soon...

BTW i have idea how modify juggler 2.0 so i will test it and when test will be ok i post it with results.

[ignatus]

So new Juggler ver. 2.2 looks like

infinite waiting room and 5 betting number?

So i will test it now and post my live session soon...

Infinite number in waiting room yes. But I for me I will play with no less then 9 numbers from now on. Not 5... But everybody has their on preference of how many numbers they like to play.

Thanks Smoczoor.

[Smoczoor]

OK Ignatus - i will test many methods (5 and 9 numbers) and my own variation and will see what of modification is the best

[ignatus]

Alright And I will do a new session with 9 numbers now.