From Compulsive to Professionalism

[VLS]

if you aspire to become a professional gambler then you will need more than just roulette to do it.

Why?

Ditto.

You only need to beat one (1) casino game to have your way to riches! 

[Johnlegend]

Ditto.

You only need to beat one (1) casino game to have your way to riches! 

True, I have read this topic with interest. As I consider myself a semi-professional gambler. In that the majority of my income has come from Roulette over the last 8 years. There are several misconceptions about what is required to make it professionally with this game.
The biggest one being this notion that you need a vast bankroll to do so. Its useful to have one but NOT ESSENTIAL. What is essential is CONSISTENCY. This idea about going long runs without any profit shouldnt exist if your methods are any good. I gave up fulltime work when I had just 3,000 British pounds. Yes you just read right. Why?

Because I knew I could beat this game for as long as I wish to. You should know that as well. Then this need to have some vast 5 figured sum to see you through the so-called rough patches won't exist. The other wrong channel of thought is this idea you have to win several hundred points everyday. When I gave up fulltime work it was because I had been averaging my weekly income for over a year from playing roulette.

Forget about getting rich or winning vast sums everytime you play a session. Anytime you are anywhere near what your day job gives you consistently you have really got something. Always keep in mind we aren't supposed to beat this game period. let alone make a steady income off it.
As people who watch my progress on BV will come to realize overtime. I rarely finish a day/session with the same or less than I started with. You rarely see me take a backward step once I have the measure of something. That will become ever more apparent as I roll into next year.
That is why I could sustain a living from just 2 or 3 grand if I had to. If your mindset is right. And you have the method/s this should be no problem.

[Turner]

True, I have read this topic with interest. As I consider myself a semi-professional gambler. In that the majority of my income has come from Roulette over the last 8 years. There are several misconceptions about what is required to make it professionally with this game.
The biggest one being this notion that you need a vast bankroll to do so. Its useful to have one but NOT ESSENTIAL. What is essential is CONSISTENCY. This idea about going long runs without any profit shouldnt exist if your methods are any good. I gave up fulltime work when I had just 3,000 British pounds. Yes you just read right. Why?

Because I knew I could beat this game for as long as I wish to. You should know that as well. Then this need to have some vast 5 figured sum to see you through the so-called rough patches won't exist. The other wrong channel of thought is this idea you have to win several hundred points everyday. When I gave up fulltime work it was because I had been averaging my weekly income for over a year from playing roulette.

Forget about getting rich or winning vast sums everytime you play a session. Anytime you are anywhere near what your day job gives you consistently you have really got something. Always keep in mind we aren't supposed to beat this game period. let alone make a steady income off it.
As people who watch my progress on BV will come to realize overtime. I rarely finish a day/session with the same or less than I started with. You rarely see me take a backward step once I have the measure of something. That will become ever more apparent as I roll into next year.
That is why I could sustain a living from just 2 or 3 grand if I had to. If your mindset is right. And you have the method/s this should be no problem.

So you equal your previous wages gambling. Looking at the systems you use, and the challenge you took with Bayes, you don't make lots quick...you make average amounts over very long sustained periods. How many hours a week?
I work 37 hours a week for a wage which is above the UK average. If that got to 45 or 50 hours a week, I would start to feel I had no time to my self. All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.
If I know nothing about roulette, i know this much.

You can't chuck £25 chips at the table making £1000 a night. I see this all the time at the casino and later that night...the pony men are on 50p chips trying to win their taxi home.
It would have to be a slow safe drawn out process with lots of personal restraint. Perhaps 10U per hour profit

That means spending a massive amount of your life in casinos, or sat online, to have a steady income. What a life!

Any more than a steady income for your 70 hours a week and you start needing luck. Infact, you would have to divorce the missus and marry lady luck to have any chance.
What kind of "job" is one where you don't know if the boss is going to pay you when you get out of bed in the morning. A job for mugs.
Gambleing is entertainment. Gamblers don't have a HR department or employment law. They are on their own. Loan wolves. If I do well and work hard I get a bonus. If gamblers do really well the casino bans them. Tough Boss!!!
The only thing they have is their utter belief in the fact that they can beat a negative expectancy game. G...A...M...E...... Game....

Just my view....

Turner

[Turner]

So you equal your previous wages gambling. Looking at the systems you use, and the challenge you took with Bayes, you don't make lots quick...you make average amounts over very long sustained periods. How many hours a week?
I work 37 hours a week for a wage which is above the UK average. If that got to 45 or 50 hours a week, I would start to feel I had no time to my self. All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.
If I know nothing about roulette, i know this much.

You can't chuck £25 chips at the table making £1000 a night. I see this all the time at the casino and later that night...the pony men are on 50p chips trying to win their taxi home.
It would have to be a slow safe drawn out process with lots of personal restraint. Perhaps 10U per hour profit

That means spending a massive amount of your life in casinos, or sat online, to have a steady income. What a life!

Any more than a steady income for your 70 hours a week and you start needing luck. Infact, you would have to divorce the missus and marry lady luck to have any chance.
What kind of "job" is one where you don't know if the boss is going to pay you when you get out of bed in the morning. A job for mugs.
Gambleing is entertainment. "Pro"Gamblers don't have a HR department or employment law. They are on their own. Loan wolves. If I do well and work hard I get a bonus. If gamblers do really well the casino bans them. Tough Boss!!!
The only thing they have is their utter belief in the fact that they can beat a negative expectancy game. G...A...M...E...... Game....

Just my view....

Turner

[spike]

Does your edge beat the casinos edge? If it doesn't,
why would anybody consider becoming a pro gambler.

[Johnlegend]

Turner I don't spend 70 hours a week playing roulette. Maybe 30 at most. You are missing the point. That being once you know you can win luck doesn't figure into it anymore. YOU KNOW YOU WILL WIN. When I play against the game. I don't come there hoping I walk away with a profit. I come there knowing I should. And that's how all confident players who know they have the game beat should feel.

People throw expressions around like Be lucky. Or lady luck is shining on you tonight. LADY WHO???  They don't have that knowing. They haven't done their homework. Once you have its certain you will profit overall. If I say to you I will have at least 50 Euros by years end against BV. I am saying I know I am going to achieve that. If I say I will have at least 300 Euros by September 8th next year. The Anniversary of my start on BV. I know I will. Theres no luck there. The methods work. Theyll be working when I am dead and gone.

[ddarko]

If I say I will have at least 300 Euros by September 8th next year. The Anniversary of my start on BV. I know I will. Theres no luck there. The methods work. Theyll be working when I am dead and gone.

Now excuse if I have my facts wrong 

John you are going to Pi$$ off a hell of a lot of people here if you play and win for a whole year without revealing your method/s which I think you promised to do ?

You give me the impression the winning is more important than making money.

I doubt most people here see it that way!!!!!

gl 

[Johnlegend]

Now excuse if I have my facts wrong 

John you are going to Pi$$ off a hell of a lot of people here if you play and win for a whole year without revealing your method/s which I think you promised to do ?

You give me the impression the winning is more important than making money.

I doubt most people here see it that way!!!!!

gl 

Ddarko I was under the impression they walked hand in hand. Revealing my methods. What do you think I have been doing on here over the last two years. Where were you??

[ddarko]

Ddarko I was under the impression they walked hand in hand. Revealing my methods. What do you think I have been doing on here over the last two years. Where were you??

Ok obviously my bad 

Have you revealed the method the you are using at BV at the moment ??

if so could you be kind enough to post me the link to the thread 

thxs 

[Turner]

Turner I don't spend 70 hours a week playing roulette. Maybe 30 at most. You are missing the point. That being once you know you can win luck doesn't figure into it anymore. YOU KNOW YOU WILL WIN. When I play against the game. I don't come there hoping I walk away with a profit. I come there knowing I should. And that's how all confident players who know they have the game beat should feel.

People throw expressions around like Be lucky. Or lady luck is shining on you tonight. LADY WHO???  They don't have that knowing. They haven't done their homework. Once you have its certain you will profit overall. If I say to you I will have at least 50 Euros by years end against BV. I am saying I know I am going to achieve that. If I say I will have at least 300 Euros by September 8th next year. The Anniversary of my start on BV. I know I will. Theres no luck there. The methods work. Theyll be working when I am dead and gone.

John, let me get one thing clear here...I love reading and I love reading your ideas. I find them intersting and i repect your knowledge, but I cant see where a 30K wage is coming from with little bankroll and 30 hours a week. You said you gave up your job.....and unless you live in a tent rent free and never wash....your systems dont make enough to live on.
You may feel they beat roulette...but the Casino owners will gladly give you 300 euros a year for 30 hours a week.

Thats not beating roulette in my book.

Like i said.....I could stay "up" on the casino yearly if you call being 5u up every week to make 100u yearly. To make a wage...and i want to live in a house and eat and stuff, i would have to start taking risks. And those risks need luck because Im fighting a reality which is 2.7%

Just debating mate.

[Johnlegend]

John, let me get one thing clear here...I love reading and I love reading your ideas. I find them interesting and i repect your knowledge, but I can't see where a 30K wage is coming from with little bankroll and 30 hours a week. You said you gave up your job.....and unless you live in a tent rent free and never wash....your systems don't make enough to live on.
You may feel they beat roulette...but the Casino owners will gladly give you 300 euros a year for 30 hours a week.

that's not beating roulette in my book.

Like i said.....I could stay "up" on the casino yearly if you call being 5u up every week to make 100u yearly. To make a wage...and i want to live in a house and eat and stuff, i would have to start taking risks. And those risks need luck because I'm fighting a reality which is 2.7%

Just debating mate.

Turner where do you get the idea I am making 300 euros a year from? My intention is to turn Supermans innitial investment of 20 euros to 300 in a calendar year. The equivalent of turning. A 2000 pound bankroll to 30,000 over the same period. Which is what I've done. I know its not a fortune. But I'm from a working class background. And used to work hard for 15 grand a year. So think that over before you make your next post. Each to their own. If Bv proves fair. I will give Superman 1000 euro of my own money to put in that account. Then Ill show you all some serious stuff. This is a longterm thing. Just watch.

[Turner]

Turner where do you get the idea I am making 300 euros a year from? My intention is to turn Supermans innitial investment of 20 euros to 300 in a calendar year. The equivalent of turning. A 2000 pound bankroll to 30,000 over the same period. Which is what I've done. I know its not a fortune. But I'm from a working class background. And used to work hard for 15 grand a year. So think that over before you make your next post. Each to their own. If Bv proves fair. I will give Superman 1000 euro of my own money to put in that account. Then Ill show you all some serious stuff. This is a longterm thing. Just watch.

£600 a week. Not bad. Your methods must be near 100% reliable.why not just double it and turn 4k into 60k. Or treble it for 90k?

[Johnlegend]

£600 a week. Not bad. Your methods must be near 100% reliable.why not just double it and turn 4k into 60k. Or treble it for 90k?

They are reliable Turner. I Think you mis-understood somethimg I wrote. When I started 8 years ago. I had a BR of 3000 points. It is a lot more now. And would be huge if I wasn't drawing on it all the time. The thing is greed is dangerous. I always treat this like a business. And look for 5--8% increase on my BR a. Week. I could win a lot more yes. But I always grow at a sensible rate. On that rare occasion I suffer a substantial loss. It won't be too damaging to my overall BR. This is the discipline that separates success and failure.

The average person knowing what I know would go too fast and when they did lose it would damage them mentally as well as financially.

[superman]

If Bv proves fair. I will give Superman 1000 euro of my own money to put in that account. Then Ill show you all some serious stuff. This is a longterm thing. Just watch

do I still get half 

[Turner]

They are reliable Turner. I Think you mis-understood somethimg I wrote. When I started 8 years ago. I had a BR of 3000 points. It is a lot more now. And would be huge if I wasn't drawing on it all the time. The thing is greed is dangerous. I always treat this like a business. And look for 5--8% increase on my BR a. Week. I could win a lot more yes. But I always grow at a sensible rate. On that rare occasion I suffer a substantial loss. It won't be too damaging to my overall BR. This is the discipline that separates success and failure.

The average person knowing what I know would go too fast and when they did lose it would damage them mentally as well as financially.

Understood matey. Thanks for the concise reply