Win or break even.

[Drazen]

Ok i tested 5 wiesbaden sessions in a row and seems that variance is lower indeed, with 2nd way you proposed.

We know that we are on a sinking ship with negative expectancy, although zeros are not just because of what someone will lose or win whole short human length session.. And if you end in plus, tommorow is a new day, new play.

So zero translated in normal human length session doesn't means much..

But what can ruin and what ruins actualy are fluctuations in every method...( If you don't have enormous bank) As long as we can make them as lower as possible, we can play without too much stress.

With enough bank (but under 500 units) and with a bit agressive MM that requires under 50% to break even, i would won all sessions  with first approach with higher variance and ride out worst scenarios...

With 2nd approach so far doesn't go over 15 units in DD. Still needs more testes, but I think it is indicative.

MY humble opinion is that one needs to know how to handle the losses and negative trams and can be succesfull.

Cheers

Drazen

[Drazen]

After 10 wiesbaden sessions I see realy evened bet..

86 losses and 86 wins

It almost amazes how evened this is..


Still thorough testing should be done, but first results are just great (although that always happens when you test any method in the beggining LoL)

I would like to see when you finish, what you have to say on your sessions of random mr. ego

Not to say that while playing like this, you spot very nice triggers to capitalize outside this strategy as a base.

Regards

Drazen

[ego]

That was the point to ride average events of the distribution as they have such high strike ratio and with just playing once for each cycle we get very, very low variance.
Now i will test and post results at this topic and present the LW-Registry for the optimal march.
I will start with random org files from 2012 09 01 and forward.

The idea using a method with low variance is to win twice within six or eight attempts.
Using the following staking plans.

The algorithm has different flavours.
2 in 6 ...

5.5 11 22 33 44 66 = 181,5 serie

11 22 44 66 88 132 = 363 serie

110 220 440 660 880 1320 = 3630 serie

1110 2200 4400 6600 8800 13200 = 36310 serie

Or if you know you will hovering around expectation of average you can add 2-5

20-30-40-60-120 = 270 serie

ADVANCE

There exist other ways - but i think you should read the sport-betting PDF for different staking plans based upon other variations.

NOW CASINO MONEY OR THE ALGORITHMS MONEY.
Here you can see 4 days of play with no variance at all - as low it can gets.

374 WON and 363 RISK With total 12 session in 4 days play.

Day 1 with 3 sessions.

WLW +33

WLW +33

WLLW +11

Day 2 with 3 sessions.

WLW +33

WLW +33

WW +33

Day 3 with 3 sessions.

WLW +33

WW +33

LWLW +33

Day 4 with 3 sessions.

LWW +55

WLLW +11

WLW +33

[ego]

One change might be necessary with the optimal march to get the staking plan to work.
I explain later when i have more time.
At the moment we should not continue after hitting a group of two losses - it might be better to start over then continue to stay with tight low variance.

[ego]

One thing is for sure with out taking in account what staking plan to use that we can win two out of three session on regular basis.
The question is and i make this backwards - i have create a bet selection with very low variance and you can win once or twice with a certain amount of attempts.

Now one member show me a very good simple algorithm that deals with how to manage to win twice with in three sessions.

WW Stop you reach you win goal winning two session out of three.
WLW Stop you reach you win goal winning two session out of three
LWW Stop you reach you win goal winning two session out of three.
LLW Stop and accept a smaller loss.
LLL Stop and accept losing three session in a row - that would be very rare based upon this method.

If applying this method we have to change the staking plan.

[Drazen]

At the moment we should not continue after hitting a group of two losses - it might be better to start over then continue to stay with tight low variance.

Well i have been thinking about this when i went to bed, and i woke up and see you said this in the morning.  LoL

That is logical step to do if I may say.

When I applied that to our march in just 7 sessions from this morning I am +16 flat bet

W / L
-------
session 1: 9/7

session 2: 10/8

session 3: 7/5

session 4: 6/6

session 5: 14/5

session 6: 10/10

session 7: 10/9
----------------------

Total:  66/50 = +16 flat bet



Regards


Drazen

[ego]

Conclusions.

1. You be better of playing to win once using one cycle.
That give you lower variance or string of loses as if you continue betting for each cycle you end each cycle with loses - then they chop and get very negative when cycle appears with no winnings.

[Drazen]

Conclusions.

1) WLLWWWLLLLWWWWLW (9W 7 L) +2
2) LLLWWWWLLWLWWLLWWWW (10 W 8 L) +2
3) WWLWWLLLWLWW (7W 5 L) +2
4) LWWLLWWLWWLL (6W 6L) +0
5) LWWWLWLLLWWLL (6W 7 L) -1
6) WWWLWLWLWWWWWWLLWWW (14W 5 L) +9
7) LLLWWWWLWLLLWWLLLWWW (10W 10L) +0
8.) WWWWLLWLLLWLWLWWWLL (10W 9L) +1
9) WLWLLLLWWLWWW (7W 6L) +1
10) WLLWLLWLWWWWLWWLWLWWLWLLW (14W 11L) +3
11)WWWWWWLWLWLWW (10W 3L) +7
12) LLWWWLLLWW (5W 5L) +1
13) LLWLWWLWLLLWLLLLLW (6W 12L) -6
14) WWLLWWLLLWW (6W 5L) +1
15) WLWWWLWWLWLLLWLW (9W 8L) +1
16) LWWLWWLLWWLLWWLLW (9W 8L) +1
17) WLLWLWWWWW (7W 3L) +4
18) WLWWLWLWLWLL (6W 6L) +0
19) LLWWLW (3W 3L) +0
20) LLLLWWLLWWLW (5W 7 L) -2
21) WWWLWW (5W 1L) +4
22) LLLLLLWLWLWLWWLLWWWW (9W 11L) -2
23) LLLWW (2W 3L) -1
24) LLWLLLLWWWWLWLL (6W 9L) -3
25) WLLWLWWLLLLLWLW (6W 9L) -3
26) LLWWWWLWW (6W 3L) +3
27) LWLWWWLLLLWLLLL (5W 10L) -5
28) LWWLWLLLWWLWWWLL (8W 8L) +0
29) WLWWWLLWLWLWWWWWLW (12W 6L) +6
30) LWWWWLWWWW (8W 2L) +6
31) LWWWLLWLW (6W 4 L) +2
------------------------------------------
TOTAL: 432 PLACED BETS
            232 WINS
            200 LOSSES
----------------------------------------
            +32 FLAT BET


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                          -

[ego]

Well nice - how do you restart with one cycle or do you just bet until a win with one cycle.
Thinking about when we speak about two losses we would restart one cycle.
So is the LW-Regitry based upon first playing until a win within one cycle or is it that you play until two losses and restart.

Many thanks

[Drazen]

These are results for playing one cycle to reduce variance. So I always go that after repeating a state, I wait for new and play against it. If LL stop, take last repeated on which I lost, wait new and play against it. And so on.


Cheers

Drazen

[ginger]

I think you use here sequential betting strategy as you personaly coined that phrase.


And one could be safer and could stand hard fluctuations if it start attack after 3 same states in a row for example, or can start 2 for more action, doesn't have to go for immediate change.


But results are cool, especialy with the way i just told.


Also one can have 2 marches in his arsenal and use one which he chooses as standard to play and when good situation shows (and it has to eventualy) he can switch to the other and he can "reap the cream" from such situation


I mean here on playing against and playing to repeat but at very specific predetermined events (triggers).


Also when a hard deviation comes, when few losing shots comes, one can take advantage out of it by recalibrating unit size as probability is raising to very very low point.


So my humble opinion is that is vital to find and start at "medium"  point of deviation where you can handle bad sequences with very low probabilty with using above said.


Cheers


Drazen

Hello Drazen_cro,

We talking about live or RNG ?

Because I know for years that the "good" Dealers can spin the number they want to hit.

I have seen that in a live demonstration in Holland Casino ( Amsterdam ).

With other words...how ..... to beat such a Dealer , because all the calculation we do is useless than.

Cheers

John           Rotterdam

[ego]

Hello Drazen_cro,

We talking about live or RNG ?

Because I know for years that the "good" Dealers can spin the number they want to hit.

I have seen that in a live demonstration in Holland Casino ( Amsterdam ).

With other words...how ..... to beat such a Dealer , because all the calculation we do is useless than.

Cheers

John           Rotterdam

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ginger there has to be a missunderstanding from you understanding this topic.
first of all a dealer can not aim for red or black pockets and now i made that clear i can also tell you that no one can out guess a 50/50 distribution
but that we can do is try to get as low variance as possible and reducing long strings of losses during longer period of times when playing
all that to increase or get our self a fear chance against the negative expectation

[Drazen]

Hello Drazen_cro,

We talking about live or RNG ?

Because I know for years that the "good" Dealers can spin the number they want to hit.

I have seen that in a live demonstration in Holland Casino ( Amsterdam ).

With other words...how ..... to beat such a Dealer , because all the calculation we do is useless than.

Cheers

John           Rotterdam

Yes as mr. ego says there is no chance dealer can hit R/B as he wants. He can hit some parts of the wheel if he is very skilled, but for that also he will need specific conditions + his skills.

Hardly on modern very balanced wheels although...

But anyway you never want to play sectors of the wheel, before dealer spins the ball, so as constantly playing on one sector of the wheel. Then he can do something maybe..

Mr. F_LAT_INO in the past while working as a croupier learned many wiseasses a lesson like this.

But with this method there is no chance any dealer can harm you intentionaly ( If wheel is fair)

And also I would never play anything on any RNG

Cheers

Drazen

[ginger]

Yes as mr. ego says there is no chance dealer can hit R/B as he wants. He can hit some parts of the wheel if he is very skilled, but for that also he will need specific conditions + his skills.

Hardly on modern very balanced wheels although...

But anyway you never want to play sectors of the wheel, before dealer spins the ball, so as constantly playing on one sector of the wheel. Then he can do something maybe..

Mr. F_LAT_INO in the past while working as a croupier learned many wiseasses a lesson like this.

But with this method there is no chance any dealer can harm you intentionaly ( If wheel is fair)

And also I would never play anything on any RNG

Cheers

Drazen

Hello Drazen_cro & Ego,

Thank you for your comments.

I see your point now and it was a misunderstanding.

Never the less I have seen with my own eyes that it is possible to hit numbers you want.

A Dealer (artist) was giving a demonstration ( no money involved ) in Amsterdam and people around the roulette table were ask for a number they had in mind , I was one of them , My number was 29 and it landed on 29.

He showed his skill 7 times on 7 different numbers and they all hit.

After this demonstration I place my bets...after...they spinned the ball...till now.

Have a nice weekend


John      Rotterdam

[Drazen]

Ahh you talk about artistic skills here mr. John. Well i presume that looks realy cool for the ones who don't understand some things about this game and see things like this. They can't be nothing but amazed.

But the truth is that even most tilted wheel in the world with the most experienced dealer out there using iron ball can't hit excatly in the desired number so many times in a row... That is just impossible.

What he was using were magnets under the wheel, but of course all that is very smoothly and discretive performed so doesn't look as setted up or magnetized at all.

Same magic you can see if you come in over 90% of croatian casinos, and most on the Balkan area.(when pitt boss needs extra money for his nose stuff if you understand). But I don't want to start this story by 100th time because no one in the civilized Europe and rest of the civilzied world just can't belive in such things, eventhough one respected older member which I also mentioned in the previous post here, has device which discoveres such things, because he was cheated like that few years ago. And also has same magnetized wheel at home that can do that... And he mentioned this few times also...

Anyway, later I ll make a post to show here again a bit of real magic on roulette 

And I want you also to have pleasnt weekend time

Cheers

Drazen