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Quote from: amk on Jun 08, 03:15 PM 2011
                                                               CODE 4

CODE 4 is a very simple method which was inspired by JohnLegends PATTERN 4. Its strength comes from combining dozens and columns CODE 4 DC as well as EO and HL CODE 4 EC. EO/HL approach was established by Atlantis...

It should only be played HIT AND RUN....


                                                             CODE 4 DC

Note down the last 12 spins of dozens/columns alternating into 3 groups each 4 wide..

Example:  numbers 1,2,3 are dozens, letters A,B,C are columns

                            2B1C
                            3C2A
                            2C3A
                             .........  fourth pattern


Once we have our 3 groups each 4 wide we are betting that the fourth pattern will be different from the first... In this case we are betting on dozens 1/3 then columns A/C then dozens 2/3 then columns A/B  Playing progression is 1/1, 3/3, 9/9  You can also chose to play 1/1, 3/3, 9/9, 27/27. However as you shall see the strikerate for the first 3 bets is very HIGH...

1600 live Spielbank spins were played consecutively so we have an indication what HIT AND RUN looks like....

385 games played, 279 wins on bet 1, 65 on bet 2, 24 on bet 3, 5 on bet 4, 5 total loses...


                                                             CODE 4 EC

Note down the last 12 spins of EO/HL alternating into 3 groups each 4 wide...

Example:  E O are Even Odd, H L are High Low

                           ELEH
                           OLOH
                           EHOH
                           ......... fourth pattern

Once we have our 3 groups each 4 wide we are betting that the fourth pattern will be different from the first... In this case we are betting OHOL. Playing progression is 1,2,4,8  If a losing game is experienced you can go to level 2 progression 3,6,12,24 for 5 games.....

During 1067 live Spielbank spins played again consecutively so we see how HIT AND RUN will perform.....

240 games played, 123 wins on bet 1, 64 wins on bet 2, 26 wins on bet 3, 14 wins on bet 4, total loses 13.


It will take all of us to perfect these methods. By sharing our data and knowledge we can forge a playing style which can hopefully make life a lot easier for all of us....

I look forward to your feedback and thank you for sharing.......

Quote from: Juiced91 on Jun 08, 04:07 PM 2011
JL with the consecutive games does the fourth pattern become your new first pattern? Or do you start again with 12 new spins?
so

1b2c
2a3b
2a2c
. . . . . . .  fourth pattern (then becomes first)

does it become line one of the next 12 or do you spin 12 new ones?

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 link=topic=5848. msg56349#msg56349 date=1307589514
Here's my BetVoyager session.   Very Good  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Juiced91 on Jun 09, 02:06 AM 2011
Why do you bet so many times??

As far as I know if you win the first bet you virtual spin the rest? not bet on all patterns.

I. e

2A3B
3B1A
2B1A

Now we best against the 2nd dozen if win we virtual spin the rest and start again, if we lost the bet, bet against column A.  I don't beleive we bet aganst them all.

Its like pattern 4.

Maybe someone can clear this Up?

D

Quote from: Halba1 link=topic=5848. msg56362#msg56362 date=1307600908
you bet for ANY ONE difference in a pattern .  if you get a win you move to the next line, and bet for 4 lines up(turbo mode).  you don't bet for all of the 4 to be different, that's bad as some will be the same

Quote from: jordan69 link=topic=5848. msg56375#msg56375 date=1307608056
Hello,

Thanks for this post AMK.
It sounds great.

One question :
Do you have any idea in term of winning goal ?
i mean a +6, +8 or +10 units for each or your session (for example) ?
or not at all ?

Best regards.
Jordan69

Quote from: jordan69 link=topic=5848. msg56378#msg56378 date=1307608346
Thanks for your quick reply Juiced91.

Quote from: amk on Jun 09, 10:38 AM 2011
What a contribution Gordonline!!

Amazing..... I am sure we will find some more MAGIC CODES here somewhere.......

Quote from: jordan69 on Jun 09, 12:05 PM 2011
Once we have our 3 groups each 4 wide we are betting that the fourth pattern will be different from the first... In this case we are betting on dozens 1/3 then columns A/C then dozens 2/3 then columns A/B  Playing progression is 1/1, 3/3, 9/9  You can also chose to play 1/1, 3/3, 9/9, 27/27. However as you shall see the strikerate for the first 3 bets is very HIGH...

1600 live Spielbank spins were played consecutively so we have an indication what HIT AND RUN looks like....

385 games played, 279 wins on bet 1, 65 on bet 2, 24 on bet 3, 5 on bet 4, 5 total loses...

Had a look on these results and my conclusion was :

1) 5 total losses => -400 units

2) all the wins (279 + 65 + 24 + 5) => + 373 units
... if played with 1/1/ 3/3 9/9 27/27 and without the 0 fees...

so global result is : - 27 units (+ 0 fees that we can't avoid)

that's right no ?

Quote from: warrior on Jun 09, 12:37 PM 2011
for ex. if we start with 5 $ units based on the wins on the 1st 2n 3rd 4th and the 5 losses I think I got -136 could be wrong .

Quote from: amk on Jun 09, 12:31 PM 2011
Hello Jordan69,

I tested CODE 4 playing consecutively ie back to back to back etc.... Playing this way yes it would indeed not yield good results for we would have had met five loses. I played consecutively so that we get an indication what HIT AND RUN looks like. JohnLegend has taught us that this is the way to play for you have a far greater chance to dodge the loses.....

So if we were to play the same 1600 spins played HIT AND RUN we know that somewhere in those 1600 spins are 5 loses. HIT AND RUN we would perhaps only play 53 games and the chance that we dodge the loses is very large.

The 1/1 3/3 9/9 progression would lessen our loses....

JohnLegend could explain this beter.....

Quote from: amk on Jun 08, 03:15 PM 2011
                                                                CODE 4

CODE 4 is a very simple method which was inspired by JohnLegends PATTERN 4. Its strength comes from combining dozens and columns CODE 4 DC as well as EO and HL CODE 4 EC. EO/HL approach was established by Atlantis...

It should only be played HIT AND RUN....


                                                              CODE 4 DC

Note down the last 12 spins of dozens/columns alternating into 3 groups each 4 wide..

Example:  numbers 1,2,3 are dozens, letters A,B,C are columns

                             2B1C
                             3C2A
                             2C3A
                              .........  fourth pattern


Once we have our 3 groups each 4 wide we are betting that the fourth pattern will be different from the first... In this case we are betting on dozens 1/3 then columns A/C then dozens 2/3 then columns A/B  Playing progression is 1/1, 3/3, 9/9  You can also chose to play 1/1, 3/3, 9/9, 27/27. However as you shall see the strikerate for the first 3 bets is very HIGH...

1600 live Spielbank spins were played consecutively so we have an indication what HIT AND RUN looks like....

385 games played, 279 wins on bet 1, 65 on bet 2, 24 on bet 3, 5 on bet 4, 5 total loses...

Quote from: amk on Jun 09, 01:13 PM 2011
Hello TWisteruk!

Great that you have joined us here as well....

I see what you mean with the games. I will review my notes. However, I can assure you that all losing games were noted and there were only 5.... I think this might have happened when I was counting how many wins were on bet 1,2,3,4,. Somewhere along the line I missed 7 for either bet 1,2,3,4 Not for loses, there were only 5 and didn't miss counting one. With the other bets there were so many that I missed some....

I think the answer to your question can be found in the reply to Jordan69.
Yes it is a bust played consecutively. However, if you look at it from a progression of 1/1 3/3 9/9 we would be up +238 units... I hadn't looked at it in this Light and is kind of scary if it is correct. Can somebody double check this......

Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 09, 12:54 PM 2011
This isn't aimed @ anyone, just getting my part out there...

It seems like throughout the forum people misunderstand the words "hit & run" ???
If you Google it you find under Wiki there are a few explanations.... however, what is meant here is - you get your goal units and get out!!!

The 1600 spins were given just as an example. (If you had to play 1600 spins non stop, you would at least be playing 26 hours NON STOP....make your own assumptions form this)So in my opinion all the systems based on the "matrix" layouts does really well, if played according to the creators rules and if done in a hit and run manner.

I recon anyways, that if you play CODE 4

and you have lost

1/1/ 3/3 9/9 27/27
1/1/ 3/3 9/9 27/27
1/1/ 3/3 9/9 27/27
1/1/ 3/3 9/9 27/27
1/1/ 3/3 9/9 27/27

and still playing....it's your own fault. If I had a wipeout after the first one, I would already switch over to CODE 4 H/L , O/E to see if I could catch up/change to completely different system...or I'll call it a night.

Anyway, just wanted to share what I thought.

Regards,

Quote from: soggett on Jun 09, 07:34 AM 2011
Have you tried betting for the pattern?
I am having great results playing for the pattern
In that way we use a longer progression but about the same amount of units
And we can win more per hit (sometimes 2 and sometimes 5 units)
Can you check your results and see how would it go betting for the pattern? Thanks

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jun 09, 01:44 PM 2011
Yes, I play this way  ;D

Quote from: soggett on Jun 09, 02:12 PM 2011

I like playing this way, think its harder to lose, glad you play it to   :)

Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=5848. msg56481#msg56481 date=1307644984
ITS THE ONLY WAY.  Mathematicians argue theres no difference.  THERE IS, when you adopt the HIT AND RUN principle you literally cheat randoms keeper, the LAW OF AVERAGES.  I have recorded hundreds of consecutive spins for PATTERN 4.  And there isnt one winning streak over 20 long.  In fact even 12 seldom gets breached.

Playing HIT and RUN.  I have several streaks over 20.  And many over 12.  that's all I need to know.  There will be aproximately 6 wins to every loss playing consecutively.  So that means you will lose.  The only way playing consecutively will take on another dimension is to wait for a Losing game trigger.  Then it becomes a different ball game.  As you will win around ****25 times to every DOUBLE LOSS****

The trigger makes CONSECUTIVE PLAY BETTER THAN HIT AND RUN.  BUT, CAN YOU WAIT?????

For all of you who don't want to play HIT and RUN.  And want to play this method WITH CERTAIN success consecutively.  That is the way you do it.  NOW CODE 4.  Yes we have 80 units minumum at risk.  For those who thinks that's too much, playing the first three steps for 26 units risk is the anwser.  I've now played 100 games and the last 20 all won in the first two steps HIT AND RUN, this method is a HOLY GRAIL.

Think about it for a moment you have 80/1 odds here.  And playing a random game it becomes far greater.  I am excited to see how long I go before I surrender my 80 points.  More interesting still, is to see how long I go before I lose my first game of the DAY.  Now think very carefully about this one I have a winning streak of 37 with PATTERN 4 with odds of 7/1.  EXCITING TIMES ahead. . . 

Quote from: jordan69 on Jun 09, 12:42 PM 2011
Oups, I can't see how you can have - 136 units  ???

Quote from: kiamessi on Jun 10, 05:14 AM 2011
Wat if we have 4 losses, what should we do?

Quote from: jordan69 on Jun 09, 12:05 PM 2011
Once we have our 3 groups each 4 wide we are betting that the fourth pattern will be different from the first... In this case we are betting on dozens 1/3 then columns A/C then dozens 2/3 then columns A/B  Playing progression is 1/1, 3/3, 9/9  You can also chose to play 1/1, 3/3, 9/9, 27/27. However as you shall see the strikerate for the first 3 bets is very HIGH...

1600 live Spielbank spins were played consecutively so we have an indication what HIT AND RUN looks like....

385 games played, 279 wins on bet 1, 65 on bet 2, 24 on bet 3, 5 on bet 4, 5 total loses...

Had a look on these results and my conclusion was :

1) 5 total losses => -400 units

2) all the wins (279 + 65 + 24 + 5) => + 373 units
... if played with 1/1/ 3/3 9/9 27/27 and without the 0 fees...

so global result is : - 27----- ok I thought I was going nuts 373 is the total of the winning games at 5 dollar units that's 1865$,5 total losses if he went through the whole progression 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27  =400x5=2000-1865=-135 that's continuos play hit run might change I don't no but oops I'm not wrong.

Quote from: Hermes on Jun 10, 11:18 AM 2011
"Wat if we have 4 losses, what should we do?"
Continue to bet progression on the next row. If you lose the 3 in row continue on the next row until hit and then wait for next row to start to bet again as usual.

warrior that's result of silly progression, not system. System is excellent, I won all sessions on roulette and baccarat.
One secure possibility is to bet only the first spin on a new row if lost wait for next row first spin but bet progression! e.g..
BBB
RBR
BBB
-----
B rr     bet 1u. R, lost wait for next row
B         bet 3u. B, won

Hermes

Quote from: donik7777 on Jun 10, 07:33 AM 2011
Hi Johnlegend, Gordonline, Twister and  AMK that if you play a flat rate only on the first spin for code4?
Don't need progression!
You can calculate yourself, please answer.

Quote from: kiamessi on Jun 11, 12:14 AM 2011
And also, if there is  0 on the first spins, can we still play?

Quote from: Juiced91 on Jun 09, 03:10 PM 2011
JL they were talking about playing for the pattern not against it.  They werent talking about playing hit and run.  I have been playing RNG and been so good so far will update at 20 plays.

Quote from: kiamessi on Jun 11, 10:36 AM 2011
Is there any level for progression if we have 4 losses?

Quote from: amk on Jun 11, 03:55 PM 2011
Hello JohnLegend!

You beat 2 ZEROS!!

Great advise and great observation for the first game played of the DAY....

This could be the MAGIC TOUCH.....

With the right staking and if you can afford it you could just play ONE game per day and be fine........

Now that's HIT AND RUN :)

Quote from: Juiced91 link=topic=5848. msg56840#msg56840 date=1307829151
Okay guys here is the RNG update.

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 40
TOTAL GAMES WON 40
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO

STRIKERATE 100%

BALANCE 36 UNITS PLUS

STEP 1 WINS 21
STEP 2 WINS 14
STEP 3 WINS 5
STEP 4 WINS 0

As you can see I haven't yet lost on RNG.  But you can also see that my level 3 wins are almost the same as JL yet played less than half the games he has.  Maybe a bad sign?

Will update sometime again.

Quote from: viclimks on Jun 12, 12:09 PM 2011
Juiced,do you a new 12spins after a win???or continously.

Good Luck

Quote from: amk on Jun 12, 12:18 PM 2011
Hello Proofreaders2000,

Well, only one is necessary.....It is important to note that if you are playing 3 bets you still follow CODE 4 method meaning create 3 groups of 4 wide then begin your 3 bet progression....

I also think it is a good tactic to put $1 on the zero for all 3 bets or perhaps last 2  and last two bets for four wide... This way the zero becomes fun and CODE 4 has even more power.....

JohLegend what are your thoughts??

Quote from: Juiced91 on Jun 12, 01:13 PM 2011
Hey man. I spin 12 spins then bet the next 4.

1A2B
3C1A
2C3C
1B3C (This is the line I bet on, this line then becomes the first line of the next 12)
2C1A
1B3C
2B3A(Bet this line)

Then I'm done betting for that session.

Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 13, 12:18 PM 2011
Joyland Casino
LIVE wheel

In RED is a win

2   A   3   C
2   22   14   26
2   4   5   10
3   B   3   C
21   12   34   6
3   14   29   2
2   C   2   C
5   27   21   23
19   2   33   35
2   C   2   B
7   24   30   29
16   11   34   31
1

Regards,         

Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 14, 02:05 AM 2011
@ Halba

Where is the faith ???

I might be wrong here, but I don't think you're playing it right if you are playing a session at 60 mins? 16 Spins, at a spin per minute? That's one session!!! If you take Amk,JL, Juiced,Proofreader and other (including my own stats) CODE 4 is holding up nicely. Show me ANY system, you can safely say, you will never lose....and I'll show you a Tyrannosaurus rex that lives in my backyard.  :wink:  
My point is, all the systems, somewhere in time, you have a loss, but this one together with Matrix 5 , Pattern 4 etc. etc.  if you calculate your win/loss ratio you'll find that making up the losses is actually possible.
Yes, the guys playing 1,3,9,27 are going for the win, because of the good hits, BUT I'm playing it with much less progression.

Remember, each system is as good as you want it to be, together with progression that makes you feel comfortable, this system really isn't that bad at all! Come on, give it a proper shot and then come back and give your opinion.  :thumbsup:

Regards,

PS - Say you bet 1 U$ per unit, you only need a bank of 80 !!!

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 14, 03:11 AM 2011

STEP 1 WINS 91
STEP 2 WINS 50
STEP 3 WINS 17
STEP 4 WINS 2

Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 14, 03:37 AM 2011
Check, even if you flat bet 1/1,1/1,1/1,1/1, - your first time wins are the most so 91 - 50 -17 -2 = + 22    :twisted:

If put into a tester, flat betting, I would love to see the outcome after say 10 000 spins...just for the hell of it!!!

Thanks for the advice JL - also going to play it like that!!!  :thumbsup:

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 14, 08:55 AM 2011
This a GREAT system!

Many thanks to amk and JL   ;)

A.

Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 14, 01:55 PM 2011

How often do you play then? Having done 57 games?
I mean, you say that you played "today"

Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 14, 01:51 PM 2011
Juiced, back me up here buddy. Please post EVERY game you play RNG!
Juiced is playing Piggspeak Casino, I'm playing Joyland. Not sure what software Piggspeak is, but Joyland is running Playtech.

Let's see how far this can go.

My latest run...

1   C   2   B
X   X   X   X
X   X   X   X
1   B   2   C
X   X   X   X
X   X   X   X
1   B   1   C

DONE... I give it anything from 30 + minutes before I play again.

Regards,

*** I really wish someone could code this into a bot for RNG!!! ***

Quote from: amk on Jun 08, 03:15 PM 2011
                                                                CODE 4

CODE 4 is a very simple method which was inspired by JohnLegends PATTERN 4. Its strength comes from combining dozens and columns CODE 4 DC as well as EO and HL CODE 4 EC. EO/HL approach was established by Atlantis...

It should only be played HIT AND RUN....


                                                              CODE 4 DC

Note down the last 12 spins of dozens/columns alternating into 3 groups each 4 wide..

Example:  numbers 1,2,3 are dozens, letters A,B,C are columns

                             2B1C
                             3C2A
                             2C3A
                              .........  fourth pattern


Once we have our 3 groups each 4 wide we are betting that the fourth pattern will be different from the first... In this case we are betting on dozens 1/3 then columns A/C then dozens 2/3 then columns A/B  Playing progression is 1/1, 3/3, 9/9  You can also chose to play 1/1, 3/3, 9/9, 27/27. However as you shall see the strikerate for the first 3 bets is very HIGH...

1600 live Spielbank spins were played consecutively so we have an indication what HIT AND RUN looks like....

385 games played, 279 wins on bet 1, 65 on bet 2, 24 on bet 3, 5 on bet 4, 5 total loses...


                                                              CODE 4 EC

Note down the last 12 spins of EO/HL alternating into 3 groups each 4 wide...

Example:  E O are Even Odd, H L are High Low

                            ELEH
                            OLOH
                            EHOH
                            ......... fourth pattern

Once we have our 3 groups each 4 wide we are betting that the fourth pattern will be different from the first... In this case we are betting OHOL. Playing progression is 1,2,4,8  If a losing game is experienced you can go to level 2 progression 3,6,12,24 for 5 games.....

During 1067 live Spielbank spins played again consecutively so we see how HIT AND RUN will perform.....

240 games played, 123 wins on bet 1, 64 wins on bet 2, 26 wins on bet 3, 14 wins on bet 4, total loses 13.


It will take all of us to perfect these methods. By sharing our data and knowledge we can forge a playing style which can hopefully make life a lot easier for all of us....

I look forward to your feedback and thank you for sharing.......

Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 15, 01:01 AM 2011
Back to back, I haven't seen more than 2 in a row....

Example:

1C2B
1C2B
XXXX - Not the same
XXXX

Hope this is what you asked? So in the time that I've been playing, I have not seen more than 2 similar lines. It's bound to happen, but 4 in a row the same, is really pushing random to the edge. Anyone else with different outcomes???

GOod question Warrior!  :thumbsup:

Regards,

Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 15, 09:45 AM 2011
First Loss

3   C   2   C
X   X   X   X
X   X   X   X
3   C   2   C


:o :o :o :o

Quote from: amk on Jun 15, 12:55 PM 2011
Thanks again for your thought provoking insight Hermes....

If I remember correctly you had a system for double streets which didn't lose for 9 months then the loses happened...

Were you playing HIT AND RUN?

Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=5848. msg57981#msg57981 date=1308157981
There is no way a method should win for nine months then lose if its any good.   You will identify the strong points and weak points of a method early.   There should be no surprises. 

If a rare fluke happens it then becomes a minor setback not a life destroying occurance.   Care to share the double street method with me Hermes? Out of interest Id like to see if I can find its flaw without you highlighting it. 

A method like CODE 4 is fantastic, in terms of risk, strikerate and betting frequency.   Its the best I've yet seen.   PLAYED AS I PLAY IT, forget it.   I expect winning streaks the right side of 500. 

Maui13 no big deal, you lost on an RNG.   WE EXPECT IT, just ask TWISTER.   Live is the only way we ever know we are winning and losing fairly.   Still its done well anyway.   This method is a gift if played hit and run and LIVE. 

Keep going.  .  .  . 

Quote from: viclimks on Jun 15, 01:56 PM 2011
JL,how many session games of hit n run you play daily?

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 15, 01:08 PM 2011
Hi AMK,

This is my experimental way playing CODE 4 on the ECs (copied from dozens thread - as is more relevant here!)

Some nice results playing this. Playing at BVNoZero rng demo mode.

Record lines of 4 results in order: H/L, O/E, H/L, O/E

Bet opposite EC on vertical line above. Stop at a winner.

Start prog = 1-1-2-2

Reduce to start progression if LEVEL or AHEAD; otherwise adjust progression line accordingly.

HOHO (START AT 1-1-2-2)
LOHO  +1
LEHO  +1
HELO  +2
LELO   +3
LEHE   +3
HOHE  +4
HEHO  +4
HELE   +4
LELE   +5
HOLE   +6
HELE   +6
HEHE   +6
HELE   +6
HELO   +4 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LEHO   +6  (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
LELO    +6
HOLE    +7
HELO   +7
LOLE   +8
HOLE   +9
LOHE  +10
LOHE   +4  (UP TO 3-3-4-4)
HEHO   +7
LEHO   +10 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
HOHE   +11
HOLO   +11
HEHE   +11
LELE    +12
HOLO   +13
HOHE   +13
HOHO   +13
LOLO    +14
LOHE    +14
LOLO     +14
LOLE     +12 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LELE     +13 (DOWN TO TO 2-2-3-3)
HOHE    +14 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
HELE     +14
HELO     +12 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
HOHE     +13 (DOWN TO 2-2-3-3)
LOLO     +15 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
LOLE      +13 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LELO      +14 (DOWN TO 2-2-3-3)
HOLE      +16 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
HEHO      +16
LELO      +17
HEHE      +18
HELE      +18
LELO       +19
LOHO      +19
LOHE      +17 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LOLO       +15 (UP TO 3-4-4-5)
HEHE      +18 (DOWN TO 3-3-4-4)
LEHO      +21 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)

54 games in 220 spins.
PROFIT +21pts.
Highest bet = 3u

So if you like the CODE 4 and MATRIX-type bets EC style - this could be for you! Try it.

A.

PS. You could also try the "every 4th line" mod on this too if desired - but might not be required.

Quote from: amk on Jun 15, 05:34 PM 2011
Hello Atlantis,

Your method of play is great...

Will do more research myself....

Halba1... why should we trust BV RNG?.....

LIVE wheel involves "physics"...RNG is computerized.......................

Quote from: amk link=topic=5848. msg58040#msg58040 date=1308173696
Hello Atlantis,

Your method of play is great.   .   .   

Will do more research myself.   .   .   .   

Halba1.   .   .    why should we trust BV RNG?.   .   .   .   .   

LIVE wheel involves "physics".   .   .   RNG is computerized.   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   

Quote from: viclimks on Jun 15, 01:56 PM 2011
JL,how many session games of hit n run you play daily?

Quote from: warrior on Jun 15, 03:55 PM 2011
JOHNLEGEND HERMES DOUBLE STREET METHO IS CALLED 6X6 DOUBLE STREET ,its on this forum and VLS.

Quote from: Hermes on Jun 16, 12:31 AM 2011
I would like to give you LG the 6x6 DS it is good system only the progression must be solved. I have to find it where it is mixed with the Forex stuff. Huge library.
But it is on the old VLS forum somewhere.
I give you another excellent system to think about The Figures which are the natural law of roulette.

LIVE wheel involves "physics".   .   .   RNG is computerized - that's very true! Live wheel obey the natural laws where RNG is man made without a laws. The only law is rip off.
Halba is right with the Casino Tropez those jerks screwed up all my testings. Difficult to win there.
Cheers Hermes

Quote from: Juiced91 on Jun 09, 02:06 AM 2011
Why do you bet so many times??

As far as I know if you win the first bet you virtual spin the rest? not bet on all patterns.

I. e

2A3B
3B1A
2B1A

Now we best against the 2nd dozen if win we virtual spin the rest and start again, if we lost the bet, bet against column A.  I don't beleive we bet aganst them all.

Its like pattern 4.

Maybe someone can clear this Up?

D

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 15, 01:08 PM 2011
Hi AMK,

This is my experimental way playing CODE 4 on the ECs (copied from dozens thread - as is more relevant here!)

Some nice results playing this. Playing at BVNoZero rng demo mode.

Record lines of 4 results in order: H/L, O/E, H/L, O/E

Bet opposite EC on vertical line above. Stop at a winner.

Start prog = 1-1-2-2

Reduce to start progression if LEVEL or AHEAD; otherwise adjust progression line accordingly.

HOHO (START AT 1-1-2-2)
LOHO  +1
LEHO  +1
HELO  +2
LELO   +3
LEHE   +3
HOHE  +4
HEHO  +4
HELE   +4
LELE   +5
HOLE   +6
HELE   +6
HEHE   +6
HELE   +6
HELO   +4 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LEHO   +6  (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
LELO    +6
HOLE    +7
HELO   +7
LOLE   +8
HOLE   +9
LOHE  +10
LOHE   +4  (UP TO 3-3-4-4)
HEHO   +7
LEHO   +10 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
HOHE   +11
HOLO   +11
HEHE   +11
LELE    +12
HOLO   +13
HOHE   +13
HOHO   +13
LOLO    +14
LOHE    +14
LOLO     +14
LOLE     +12 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LELE     +13 (DOWN TO TO 2-2-3-3)
HOHE    +14 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
HELE     +14
HELO     +12 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
HOHE     +13 (DOWN TO 2-2-3-3)
LOLO     +15 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
LOLE      +13 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LELO      +14 (DOWN TO 2-2-3-3)
HOLE      +16 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
HEHO      +16
LELO      +17
HEHE      +18
HELE      +18
LELO       +19
LOHO      +19
LOHE      +17 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LOLO       +15 (UP TO 3-4-4-5)
HEHE      +18 (DOWN TO 3-3-4-4)
LEHO      +21 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)

54 games in 220 spins.
PROFIT +21pts.
Highest bet = 3u

So if you like the CODE 4 and MATRIX-type bets EC style - this could be for you! Try it.

A.

PS. You could also try the "every 4th line" mod on this too if desired - but might not be required.

Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 16, 05:41 AM 2011
hi atlantis and all. I notice there is a repeat above, which result in loss of -6 units. there is only 1 repeat. we an expect, with 16 combos, that there might be a 'repeat demon' stuck in there.

so my point is, after the repeater, go in HARD with martingale. go with full force, it won't be a triple. bet 5,10,20,40 units on the sucker.


also after the repeat hits, up your bets to 3,5,11,20 level for about 3 games until wins then move back to 1,1,2,2 or 2,3,3,4 for a few games. most of the profit can be made here.

Quote from: amk on Jun 16, 01:37 PM 2011
Hello everybody...

Sorry to take your attention away from CODE 4 for just a second....

I posted a new developing method called DS4 in the testing zone...

Just wanted to receive your feedback....


viclimks, only play live wheel and follow JohnLegends advice....

Quote from: monaco on Jun 16, 08:15 AM 2011
I don't want to take over the traditional code 4 methodology here, but I tried Atlantis' version (as far as I could understand - perhaps someone could point out if I did it wrong)
live Latvian dealers..

LOHO (1-1-2-2)
LOLE 0
LOLE -6 (can you believe it?? 1st time I try it!!) (up to 3-3-4-4)
LOHO -8 (up to 3-4-4-5)
LEHE -7
HOLE -4 (down to 3-3-4-4)
HEHO -4
HEHE -10 (up to 5-5-6-6)
LELE -5
LEHE -9 (up to 5-6-6-7)
HEHE -4 (down to 5-5-6-6)
LELE +1 (down to 1-1-2-2)
LOHE +1
LOLE +1
H### +2

+2 units, terrible start..

Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 16, 06:14 PM 2011
hello. not directly comparable. atlantis tried it on a non-zero roulette wheel on betvoyager(which has almost NIL house edge). not sure if you any zeroes, but that's much worse results. In bold I suggest you go to 3,6,12,24 units to make sure you recover better and higher progression  for 4-5 games. then back down to 1,1,2,2 after about 4-5 games.

do that and tell me what result you get on the above. if you did that, you would be 8-9 units or so.

Quote from: monaco on Jun 17, 05:20 AM 2011

Hi Halba, was played on European table, but no zeros appeared.
This is how it would’ve looked going to your marty 3-6-12-24 for only 2 rounds, immediately getting back the lost 6 units..
(the ‘terrible start’ was a reference to my own bad luck by the way, I actually thought the flattish progression dealt very well with it)

LOHO (1-1-2-2)
LOLE 0
LOLE -6 (up to 3-6-12-24)
LOHO -3
LEHE 0 (down to 1-1-2-2)
HOLE +1
HEHO +1
HEHE -1 (up to 2-3-3-4)
LELE +1 (down to 1-1-2-2)
LEHE +1
HEHE +2
LELE +3
LOHE +3
LOLE +3
H### +4u

Biggest bet 12u

I’ve played it a couple of times since to a profit of +2u both times, much quicker than the above.
One of its best aspects for me is the flatter betting does allow for a bigger base unit relative to BR.

I do like this & think maybe it warrants its own thread in order to not distract from the original Code4, but i'll leave that to you & Atlantis to decide.

Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=5848. msg58306#msg58306 date=1308255024
Hey don't put it all on me this your baby AMK.   Nice baby though' I'm almost 200 no loss update tommorow.   TELL YOU ALL SOMETHING THOUGH.   Do not GET GREEDY, I play for two wins then I'm done.   If I had played for 5 today I would have lost, So the hit and run is the power play of this method it will keep that streak going on an on. 

Quote from: viclimks on Jun 17, 07:11 AM 2011
JL,how do you play  the 2 win.  .  .  .  .  .  retrack another 12games or just play on the 5line.  .  .  can you.  guide me?TQ

Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=5848. msg58480#msg58480 date=1308329223
I play like this,

1A3B--CODE 1 FOR GAME 1
2A2A--CODE 2 FOR GAME 2
1B3C-------------------------VIRTUAL LINE BETWEEN TRIGGERS AND GAMES
1A2C--GAME 1 WIN BET 3
3B1C--GAME 2 WIN BET 1

And then shut it down session over.  I do this 5 times a day Viclimks for a total of 10 games a day and it works very nicely.  ;D

Quote from: viclimks on Jun 17, 01:02 PM 2011
Tq JL,may I ask if I m playing in a live casino after 2 wins can I straight away change table n retrack 12 new rounds.

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 17, 01:35 PM 2011
Hit and run question.  Let's say I get a win and the casino has two separate roulette wheels.  Could I immediately start a new session on the other wheel then when I win on that wheel come back to the first wheel.  (Dublinbet for instance has two roulette wheels.)

Quote from: amk on Jun 17, 02:36 PM 2011
Thanks JohnLegend......

I don't think my problem is patience, I love to create roulette methods :)  .......

Got one now using double streets in MATRIX VERTICAL 5 formation....

Odds say it has to be in MV5 range, we only have a two step progression available....

Total units 30,  win per game = 1 unit

I'll start a thread for it....



CODE 4 played LIVE wheel shows a great trend....

Applying JL's style of play will lead us in the right direction......



Hope Twisteruk will join us and Scoobydoo.... 

Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=5848. msg58489#msg58489 date=1308332691
I choose to play all my methods for a maximum of 10 games a day. 
But you all wonder how I defy the odds and results of other members.  Its because of how I play and nothing else.  You play the same you will enjoy the same strikerate and longterm success, I assure you of that.

Quote from: ZeroBlue on Jun 17, 03:19 PM 2011
Ride That Positive Wave Lucky Surfer!
;D

Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=5848. msg58489#msg58489 date=1308332691
Of course Proof, but even hit and run has a limit.  Play it TOO OFTEN in a calendar day and it will lose its effectiveness.  Can you understand what I am saying? I choose to play all my methods for a maximum of 10 games a day.  That is because it works for me.  And I am not pushing the limits. 

I already know what most of you lack.  I don't even have to say that word anymore.  Your posts say it for me.  But you all wonder how I defy the odds and results of other members.  Its because of how I play and nothing else.  You play the same you will enjoy the same strikerate and longterm success, I assure you of that.

Quote from: viclimks on Jun 17, 03:50 PM 2011
JL,wat if 0 comes by. . . . . while tracking

Quote from: viclimks link=topic=5848.msg58502#msg58502 date=130834025
JL,wat if 0 comes by. . . . . while tracking
/quote]Depends where it is Viclimks, if its in the CODE im prosposing to oppose that line is a no play. If its in the virtual line between CODE and GAME. I actually welcome it. The chances are it means it wont show up againg in my realtime play.

Quote from: amk link=topic=5848. msg58492#msg58492 date=1308335789
Thanks JohnLegend. . . . . .

I don't think my problem is patience, I love to create roulette methods :)  . . . . . . .

Got one now using double streets in MATRIX VERTICAL 5 formation. . . .

Odds say it has to be in MV5 range, we only have a two step progression available. . . .

Total units 30,  win per game = 1 unit

I'll start a thread for it. . . . 



CODE 4 played LIVE wheel shows a great trend. . . .

Applying JL's style of play will lead us in the right direction. . . . . .



Hope Twisteruk will join us and Scoobydoo. . . .  

Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 17, 04:26 PM 2011
@ Everyone testing/playing CODE 4

I don't know how, but for some reason this makes sense, but at the same time it also doesn't  ???

Take the attached JPG, play Code 4 as normal, BUT take your 1,2,3 and your A,B,C from the provided JPG. So instead of looking at the numbers on the board of the roulette table, take it from the picture, but play it accordingly.(by the way, the picture was taken of this forum, so thanks to the creator)

Let me give and example:

5
31
28
27
3
5
19
16
20
29
20
32
32
7
33
23


So the matrix will look like this, using the attached JPG

2   B   3   B
X   X   X   X
X   X   X   X
1   A   2   B


Call me silly, but there is just something about this way!!!
Anyway, just had to put it down before I go to bed.


Am I going crazy...?  :o

Quote from: Juiced91 on Jun 17, 05:23 PM 2011
Halba do you not like Maui or what? I feel that from you sometimes. maybe explain your reasoning and it wouldnt seem to negative.

I for one on the other hand or seem to like it. I don't know why but it just seems like a different way to beat random by using a totally random wheel/table combination.

I think its interesting. maybe a test is in order.

Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 17, 10:32 PM 2011
actually maui and I get along well(see our PMs). no problem. its all good.

code 4 is good hit and run, mostly within the first two bets. just remember to CLOSE your eyes when you get to the 4th stage progression(27x2 units) after the inevitable zero lands, or when you bet wrong,.

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 15, 01:08 PM 2011
Hi AMK,

This is my experimental way playing CODE 4 on the ECs (copied from dozens thread - as is more relevant here!)

Some nice results playing this. Playing at BVNoZero rng demo mode.

Record lines of 4 results in order: H/L, O/E, H/L, O/E

Bet opposite EC on vertical line above. Stop at a winner.

Start prog = 1-1-2-2

Reduce to start progression if LEVEL or AHEAD; otherwise adjust progression line accordingly.

HOHO (START AT 1-1-2-2)
LOHO  +1
LEHO  +1
HELO  +2
LELO   +3
LEHE   +3
HOHE  +4
HEHO  +4
HELE   +4
LELE   +5
HOLE   +6
HELE   +6
HEHE   +6
HELE   +6
HELO   +4 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LEHO   +6  (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
LELO    +6
HOLE    +7
HELO   +7
LOLE   +8
HOLE   +9
LOHE  +10
LOHE   +4  (UP TO 3-3-4-4)
HEHO   +7
LEHO   +10 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
HOHE   +11
HOLO   +11
HEHE   +11
LELE    +12
HOLO   +13
HOHE   +13
HOHO   +13
LOLO    +14
LOHE    +14
LOLO     +14
LOLE     +12 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LELE     +13 (DOWN TO TO 2-2-3-3)
HOHE    +14 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
HELE     +14
HELO     +12 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
HOHE     +13 (DOWN TO 2-2-3-3)
LOLO     +15 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
LOLE      +13 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LELO      +14 (DOWN TO 2-2-3-3)
HOLE      +16 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
HEHO      +16
LELO      +17
HEHE      +18
HELE      +18
LELO       +19
LOHO      +19
LOHE      +17 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LOLO       +15 (UP TO 3-4-4-5)
HEHE      +18 (DOWN TO 3-3-4-4)
LEHO      +21 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)

54 games in 220 spins.
PROFIT +21pts.
Highest bet = 3u

So if you like the CODE 4 and MATRIX-type bets EC style - this could be for you! Try it.

A.

PS. You could also try the "every 4th line" mod on this too if desired - but might not be required.

Quote from: amk on Jun 18, 01:45 PM 2011
JohnLegend,

I now have a 3 step progression which covers the zero on each bet...

You mentioned that the 2 times you were taken to the 4rth bet it was due to the zero....

I think if you covered your first three bets or just the last two it would give you a greater edge..

It's only a minor adjustment to your betting progression....

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 15, 01:08 PM 2011
Hi AMK,

This is my experimental way playing CODE 4 on the ECs (copied from dozens thread - as is more relevant here!)

Some nice results playing this. Playing at BVNoZero rng demo mode.

Record lines of 4 results in order: H/L, O/E, H/L, O/E

Bet opposite EC on vertical line above. Stop at a winner.

Start prog = 1-1-2-2

Reduce to start progression if LEVEL or AHEAD; otherwise adjust progression line accordingly.

HOHO (START AT 1-1-2-2)
LOHO  +1
LEHO  +1
HELO  +2
LELO   +3
LEHE   +3
HOHE  +4
HEHO  +4
HELE   +4
LELE   +5
HOLE   +6
HELE   +6
HEHE   +6
HELE   +6
HELO   +4 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LEHO   +6  (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
LELO    +6
HOLE    +7
HELO   +7
LOLE   +8
HOLE   +9
LOHE  +10
LOHE   +4  (UP TO 3-3-4-4)
HEHO   +7
LEHO   +10 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
HOHE   +11
HOLO   +11
HEHE   +11
LELE    +12
HOLO   +13
HOHE   +13
HOHO   +13
LOLO    +14
LOHE    +14
LOLO     +14
LOLE     +12 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LELE     +13 (DOWN TO TO 2-2-3-3)
HOHE    +14 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
HELE     +14
HELO     +12 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
HOHE     +13 (DOWN TO 2-2-3-3)
LOLO     +15 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
LOLE      +13 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LELO      +14 (DOWN TO 2-2-3-3)
HOLE      +16 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
HEHO      +16
LELO      +17
HEHE      +18
HELE      +18
LELO       +19
LOHO      +19
LOHE      +17 (UP TO 2-3-3-4)
LOLO       +15 (UP TO 3-4-4-5)
HEHE      +18 (DOWN TO 3-3-4-4)
LEHO      +21 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)

54 games in 220 spins.
PROFIT +21pts.
Highest bet = 3u

So if you like the CODE 4 and MATRIX-type bets EC style - this could be for you! Try it.

A.

PS. You could also try the "every 4th line" mod on this too if desired - but might not be required.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jun 18, 04:14 PM 2011
@ Atlantis

Have you played for Real Money at BV yet ?

If so, how do the results compare to Demo Mode ?

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 18, 04:25 PM 2011
Hi Twister,
I have not played for real money yet there so do not know if any difference. If it is as random as they say with the random seed thing - then should be no difference??
Anyway, here is my latest session in demo mode at BVNoZero and how I staked it:

HOHE (START @ 1-1-2-2)
LOHE  +1
LELO   +1
HOHO  +2
LEHE   +3
HEHO   +4
HOHE   +4
HOLE   +4
LOLO   +5
HOHE  +6
HOHE   +2 (UP TO 3-3-4-4) *lost all 4 bets here due to line repeat
HEHO   +2
HELE    +0 (UP TO 4-4-5-5)
HOHE   +0
LELE     +4 (DOWN TO 2-2-3-3)
HOLE    +6 (DOWN TO 1-1-2-2)
LOLO    +7
HXXX     +8

72 SPINS. 17 GAMES. +8 pts

I thought it safer to not use a marty for quick recovery after a repeat line - but instead preferred more gradual recovery and I would advise others to do same. You never know if/when disaster could strike!

A.

Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 18, 02:59 PM 2011
Hello JOHN LEGEND phenomenal results on BV RNG REAL PLAY(continuous 20 mins).

CODE 4 played, on each LETTER not just a ROW

total units +15units

no loss.

i am playing for real now.

starting with 30c units. no zero.

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 18, 04:47 PM 2011
Hi Twister,

Here is my same set using alternate SAME/OPPOSITE betting.

HOHE (START @ 1-1-2-2)
LOHE  +1 (OPP)
LELO   +2 (SAME)
HOHO  +3 (OPP)
LEHE   +3 (SAME)
HEHO   +4 (OPP)
HOHE   +5 (SAME)
HOLE   +5 (OPP)
LOLO   +5 (SAME)
HOHE  +6 (OPP)
HOHE   +7 (SAME)
HEHO   +7 (OPP)
HELE    +8 (SAME)
HOHE   +8 (OPP)
LELE     +6 (SAME) UP TO 2-2-3-3
HOLE    +8 (OPP)  DOWN TO 1-1-2-2
LOLO    +8 (SAME)
HXXX     +9 (OPP)

A better outcome and no complete losing line. Maybe advantageous in switching...

A.

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 18, 04:45 PM 2011
Be careful on Betvoyager Twister got wiped on there. Maybe it will be harder for them to fix CODE 4. What happened to JUICE91 a few days ago he was giving an RNG a good hiding. Lets hope it never bit him back.

Quote from: Juiced91 on Jun 18, 05:57 PM 2011
Ha ha ha ha. Yeah it did bite back I had tripled my bankroll but had also tripled my units. And therefore the 4 step progression took my whole BR.

But ah it doesn't matter. The fact that I tripled my bankroll on RNG using this method is a good sign. PLaying with 1unit I would most probably still be going.

Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 18, 06:24 PM 2011
Tested atlantis on betvoyager real money mode. I conclude you probably need a stop profit, e.g. if you win 3 units, get out. stop-loss, if you lose 6 units overall, get out.

Real money mode on betvoyager is MUCH harder to make money.

HOHO
LOLO (opp) +1
LELE (same) +2
HOLE (opp) +3
LELO (s) +3
LOHO (opp) +3
HELE (s) -3 - 6 units lost here, because all were opposite
LELO(opp) 0 progression 3,3,4,4
LELE (same) +3
LELO (opp)   -1       progression kept at 2,2,4,4

running total -1 unit. 40 spins.

Overall I would use this system again. This is because it protects the person from  major losses. above only -1 unit, it doesn't KILL br. I got murdered on betvoyager using full progression last night, down 50 units

Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 18, 06:39 PM 2011
Yep that's it I guess .its just programmed to make you lose money. fun mode makes you win money

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 18, 06:48 PM 2011
that's their bait, unsuspecting folk think practice mode is how its going to be for real. I can beat an RNG all day in practice mode. As soon as theres REAL MONEY on the line the CHEATING shall commence.

Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=5848. msg58722#msg58722 date=1308436664
Rngs are not roulette Halba, you don't proof a method on an Rng.    Do you know why Rngs were created? The people who run the gaming industry know why they win.   

They don't win because their games can't be beaten, they win because of human greed and lack of patience.    It was a masterstroke on their part.    Offer the average Joe the choice between a relatively slow but TRUE live wheel and a software version that spins a lot faster.   

They knew they had no way of losing.    They will flock like sheep and get fleeced like a sheep being sheared.    Can you imagine how many millions they have made from these scams.   

PLAY REAL, PLAY *LIVE*

Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 19, 07:09 AM 2011
Hi. that is a good session. the benefit is you don't have to bet on every spin(freedom/waiting).

about 80 spins there.

LOLE   (SOSO) +5
LELO   (OSOS) -5  UP TO 4-4-5-5

that one is the only concern. 10 unit blowout in 1 hit.

maybe you should wait for blowout and then start betting at 4,4,5,5 or stop profit at 5 unit instead of risking a 10 unit meltdown

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jun 19, 10:36 AM 2011
@ Atlantis

Id love you to play for Real at BV and see if there is any difference with "Demo Mode" !!!

Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 19, 02:50 PM 2011
Good results. a bit of a grind but the exposure is appealing.

Quote from: woods101 on Jun 24, 03:09 PM 2011
@ Halba

Take another read of JL's posts especially regarding BR. If your entire BR is enough to cover only one losing session then think again. Everything can and will happen in Roulette at certain times. Playing this method or (any other method) - I would aim to have at least 20 other equal BR's in hand to enable you to deal with losses as and when they come. 'Don't put all your eggs in one basket as they say', and place the highest value on the words of people who have been playing this game for many years. They will save you a lot of time and more importantly, money.

Woods

Quote from: Hermes on Jun 27, 12:12 PM 2011
From the JL results when you lose 4 times in 260 sessions I wouldn't bother with the 4 losses because they will be overrolled by winning sessions. Only the progression is not right. Work a better one.
Hermes

Quote from: amk on Jun 28, 02:59 PM 2011
Amazing results JL!!

How may times was the zero responsible for taking you to the forth progression?.........
I believe there were at least 3 occasions out of the six......

Quote from: Kingspin on Jun 28, 03:23 PM 2011
I guess we all can see that john the ledgend is the worlds LUCKIEST , SUPERLUCKY ,   iNCREDIBLY LUCKY , roulette player with out any doubt . :D :thumbsup: ??? ;D

Quote from: LuckyLucy on Jun 28, 03:57 PM 2011
Great posts JL and some excellent advice.    So pleased to see that winning streak getting ever longer!

Quote from: ZeroBlue on Jun 28, 04:10 PM 2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 1000
TOTAL GAMES WON 1000
TOTAL GAMES LOST none

BALANCE + 2300
STEP 1 WINS 637
STEP 2 WINS 298
STEP 3 WINS 56
STEP 4 WINS 9


;)


Is this the mother of all methods? WOW

(i will return to be a system player again)

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 28, 05:12 PM 2011
Thanks Lucy, but look at Blue zero, if people think I am doing well.

Quote from: amk on Jun 28, 06:53 PM 2011
After a full loss, I see.....

Operator...... sorry...... Ophis, could you please code the new variation of CODE 4 for all.....

Quote from: amk on Jun 28, 06:20 PM 2011
Welcome Epitaph,

Progression is  1/1  3/3/  9/9  27/27........ or incremental variations of it........

How are things in New Zealand............

Quote from: shermantor on Jun 28, 06:07 PM 2011
Ok post for william hill code 4 -  gonna love it :)

22 min game live casino. Plan play 2 dc then 2 code 4 Numbers i got

30 22 20 16 4 34 31 14 15 22 20 15 11 20 11 17 25 26 1 30 28 35 15 16 32 35 10 12 35 11 1 33

so for code 4

3A2A
1A3B
2A2C
1B1B result ! +1

and then

3B1C
3B2A
3B1C
3B1C LoL so that's then end of code 4 for me bet 3rd progression. anything wrong i did there?

2 losing streaks first 2 times i play when others got like 600 wins no loss surely i ain't getting it right? but funny on how 3 out 4 for second game the same code!!

Quote from: ZeroBlue on Jun 28, 09:29 PM 2011
it is really up to you  :D


@ophis
the way i play is to wait for a complete loss LLLL
if Lost again i wait for the next trigger, as i have plenty of time to make money... ;-)


PS- It is funny how what may seem an error ends in a happy discovery. (code 2)

Quote from: amk on Jun 29, 04:22 PM 2011
Can't wait JohnLegend......yes I can :)

Got a glimps of something I missed before.....

Maui13 once mentioned that if you were to just flat bet you will basically always be in the profits every 100 games......

I think if you look at two weeks as your session you will always be in the plus.....

You can read the post below....



Quote from: Maui13 on June 14, 2011, 01:37:41 am

    Check, even if you flat bet 1/1,1/1,1/1,1/1, - your first time wins are the most so 91 - 50 -17 -2 = + 22    :twisted:

    If put into a tester, flat betting, I would love to see the outcome after say 10 000 spins...just for the hell of it!!!

    Thanks for the advice JL - also going to play it like that!!!  :thumbsup:

     
JohnLegend:

The method is strong enough to do this, no more than five times though. It speeds up turnover without compromising the strength of the method. NEVER PLAY ONE LINE UNDER ANOTHER. I have now seen nine repeaters in the 170 games I've played.

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 29, 05:04 PM 2011
Hi AMK, yes there are a few ways to own this game. But there are no prescriptions for lack of PATIENCE. And staying power. What I am saying to anyone who reads this post is 63 units and the right mindset buys you a Holy Grail. There will be no excuses no taking down or doubting this one. Bring Einstein himself back to life he would have to concede he was very wrong about his conclusive views towards the games invincibility.
The informed and wise have known for many years that Roulette has achilles heels. And if you look deep enough into it you literally take randoms legs away altogether. For some years I suspected random has trouble doing certain things with consistent efficiency, so as to be exploitable in a profitting method. But Now I absolutely know it has a limit it simply cannot go beyond not today, not ever. And this one will ONCE AND FOR ALL, Tell Bayes and his ilk whether RNGS do indeed cheat. Including the beloved BV. Because if this loses even on an RNG. You know it cheats PERIOD.
This method never loses PERIOD. Sunday its yours to do as you will with, ignore it, use it. But don't you ever tell me or anyone else a HOLY GRAIL doesn't exist.

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 29, 03:59 PM 2011
I recommend playing two consecutive games then SHUTTING IT DOWN. Such application has brought me as of today 310 wins ZERO losses. Now to all these naysayers who I feel creeping up on this excellent method. Keep this in your minds. If this method wins 81 times to every losing game. It has roulette beaten. I am now certain it wins a lot more than that WHEN APPLIED PROPERLY.
I only have one method in my bag that I believe OPHIS, BAYES and all the others steeped in math and bots and the rest will have NOTHING to say other than oh it takes a bit of patience. I already know, and am actually angry with myself for not spotting this before as the results were staring me in the face. But the difference between what I normally do and the method I present on Sunday is you can PLAY IT DAY AND NIGHT. Yes you just read that from me.
You can play this DAY AND NIGHT. And random will have no anwser to it. It exhausts random, it is absolutely a HOLY GRAIL. And no one will refute this within a week or two of it being presented on here. What will continue is the exposure of those who from the get go lack the most essential attribute to conquer this game for the REST OF THEIR LIVES.
Oh yes that will not change. But be sure on Sunday afternoon an ABSOLUTE HOLY GRAIL exists on this forum. Those with the Attribute required WILL NEVER LOSE AGAIN.

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 29, 03:59 PM 2011
...I believe OPHIS, BAYES and all the others steeped in math and bots and the rest will have NOTHING to say other than oh it takes a bit of patience....
But be sure on Sunday afternoon an ABSOLUTE HOLY GRAIL exists on this forum.

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 29, 03:59 PM 2011
I recommend playing two consecutive games then SHUTTING IT DOWN. Such application has brought me as of today 310 wins ZERO losses. Now to all these naysayers who I feel creeping up on this excellent method. Keep this in your minds. If this method wins 81 times to every losing game. It has roulette beaten. I am now certain it wins a lot more than that WHEN APPLIED PROPERLY.
I only have one method in my bag that I believe OPHIS, BAYES and all the others steeped in math and bots and the rest will have NOTHING to say other than oh it takes a bit of patience. I already know, and am actually angry with myself for not spotting this before as the results were staring me in the face. But the difference between what I normally do and the method I present on Sunday is you can PLAY IT DAY AND NIGHT. Yes you just read that from me.
You can play this DAY AND NIGHT. And random will have no anwser to it. It exhausts random, it is absolutely a HOLY GRAIL. And no one will refute this within a week or two of it being presented on here. What will continue is the exposure of those who from the get go lack the most essential attribute to conquer this game for the REST OF THEIR LIVES.
Oh yes that will not change. But be sure on Sunday afternoon an ABSOLUTE HOLY GRAIL exists on this forum. Those with the Attribute required WILL NEVER LOSE AGAIN.

Quote from: Bayes on Jun 30, 02:32 AM 2011
Looking forward to it JL.

My issue you with you is mainly that you hype things up so much, it's actually fun to read your posts but you have to remember that crying wolf will bite you in the arse eventually.

Take this latest holy grail, you've said that you've only just thought of it, and yet you claim that YOU WILL NEVER LOSE AGAIN. Come off it mate, we're not all st*pid here. How can you possibly know that given that you can't have had much time to test it? unless you've simulated it over millions of spins but that seems unlikely given what you think of computers.

Actually, that's not the only issue, you say "WHEN APPLIED PROPERLY" but you never actually say what PROPERLY means. When someone points out the obvious, like the fact that all patterns are equally likely, or the order that the patterns come in is also equally likely, you then add this clause of using the method PROPERLY which seems to make the difference between actually making a  profit or not. It's not surprising that people get irritated because they're not getting the same results as you claim to for lack of playing PROPERLY, so it seems as though you're either winding people up or withholding the full details, in which case it just seems to be a 'teaser'.

See what I mean?

Quote from: superman on Jun 30, 03:40 AM 2011
@ jl, I also look forward to Sunday now, 1st question, why the wait until Sunday? 2nd question is a bit longer. when you make your first post for the method that you have, after 10/20/30 pages of posts, how much will the method have changed by then, the track record for your methods over the last year has been for them to morph and morph some more until everyone loses interest, or sees the light (that went out long ago)

As you know whatever you post will be tested by many, there are already comments being made about your hype systems, people losing money trying to make them work etc etc

Fingers crossed mate

QuoteBut can you guess what the PRICE IS?

Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 30, 02:24 PM 2011
Hello everybody

Just of the subject. Played streets @ PP Slingshot just a while ago. This happened 2 11 12 5 4 6 10 7 8 1 9 3  ;D I'm serious  I was tempted 2 bet after 10 different ones showed up but backed off  ;D It took only around 5000 spins   :question:   Be careful out there

Regards

Quote from: vundarosa on Jun 30, 04:16 PM 2011
I play for 20 units per game betting every line

a)1A1A
b)2B2B
c)3C3C
against a)
against b)
against c)

and so on

So far, 200 games played no loss

a loss will come eventually but i am moving forward in my BR nevertheless.

vundarosa

Quote from: amk on Jun 30, 08:38 PM 2011

If only the zero is allowing casinos to win all you have to do is cover it........

Quote from: amk on Jun 30, 09:42 PM 2011
Zeroblue, I think the principle behind HIT AND RUN is that you are increasing your chances of avoiding a loss....

Quote from: amk on Jun 30, 10:22 PM 2011
I agree,

However, JohnLegend has won for many years....

One thing is for certain only the longterm will tell...........

At which point do we say we have a winning method, 1 week,  1 month, 1 year.......

QuoteI think it just comes down to **exposure**.. The more times somebody crosses a busy street in a day the more dangerous it becomes

Quote from: amk on Jun 30, 09:42 PM 2011
JohnLegend, if I may....

Zeroblue, I think the principle behind HIT AND RUN is that you are increasing your chances of avoiding a loss....

For example, we have looked at 5000 Live Spielbank spins and we see the following PATTERN consistently......

LWLWLWWWWWWLWLLWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWLWLWWLW

Yes... if I played this method continually I would not like the results...however if I had to throw a dart at this sequence 5 times I feel confident I would not HIT an L to often.......

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 01, 07:24 PM 2011
Spot on AMK, its plain common sense really. But often those with rigidly logical thinking lack that to some degree. Aside from the method I drop on here on Sunday. Hit and run is the superior application for methods like PATTERN BREAKER, CODE 4, DIVIDE AND CONQUER, and of course PATTERN 4. It simply works, you will land between losing games more often than you land ON THEM. that's the plain fact Bayes. I have 16 years of experience playing both ways. I could never get an edge longterm playing STRAIGHT.
Casinos know this, but if the player has a decent method and THE DISCIPLINE to play HIT AND RUN. Winning isnt a maybe its a certainty. You will definately produce superior results that go beyond break even point. Then using smart money management you go clear in profit margin.

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 01, 07:24 PM 2011
Spot on AMK, its plain common sense really. But often those with rigidly logical thinking lack that to some degree. Aside from the method I drop on here on Sunday. Hit and run is the superior application for methods like PATTERN BREAKER, CODE 4, DIVIDE AND CONQUER, and of course PATTERN 4. It simply works, you will land between losing games more often than you land ON THEM. that's the plain fact Bayes. I have 16 years of experience playing both ways. I could never get an edge longterm playing STRAIGHT.

Quote from: ZeroBlue on Jul 01, 11:43 PM 2011
The center of discussion seems to be that It is an unproved claim. I realize that John has his own dogmas regarding this game, as any other player creates their own based on personal experience. I really admire the drive JL has in beating the game, and maybe the way he hypes his interventions here, gives courage to many people.
But i am afraid we are running in circles.


Keeping this in the field of healthy discussion, i would ask if anyone can make a substantial proof of such claim.


"HIT & RUN raises odds expectation."


It would be a real turn point in the way we face the game.


Otherwise it will remain forever in the speculation world, and both sides of the opinion will never advance.


Anyone has a valid hypothesis to submit with verifiable results?
If there is genuine interest on this we should open a new thread. :thumbsup:

Good Luck
Zer0Blue

Quote from: vundarosa on Jun 30, 04:16 PM 2011
I play for 20 units per game betting every line

a)1A1A
b)2B2B
c)3C3C
against a)
against b)
against c)

and so on

So far, 200 games played no loss

a loss will come eventually but i am moving forward in my BR nevertheless.

vundarosa

Quote from: Bayes on Jul 02, 03:49 AM 2011
Sometimes  common sense can lead you astray, and you need to use 'rigidly logical' thinking to get you back on track. This is a case in point. The notion of time is a red herring in this discussion - the bottom line is the number of spins you play . So how long should you leave between hit and run sessions in terms of the number of spins? You realise the absurdity of the position if you try to justify the answer to this question. 10 spins? 20? 100? why should the choice of one be preferable to another unless you're using some other criteria as your entry point into a game.

JL, if you're getting superior results playing hit and run it must be because of some other factor which you haven't told us about. As Smee has pointed out, the only 'advantage' is delaying the inevitable. If you only play 2 or 3 games per day and your entry into the game is random, it won't make any difference to the final results than if you played 20 games per day, or continuously, the only difference is it will take longer to lose.

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 02, 05:03 PM 2011
I'm afraid you are very wrong on those assumptions Bayes. Example of what I would get if I played for intance PATTERN BREAKER, Consecutively.

WWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWLWWLWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWLWWWL

WWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWLWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWL

That would be a typical result if I played PATTERN BREAKER all day long
You would seldom win more than 12 or so games in a row. NOW, my results for the last 70 odd games I played.

WWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWLWWWWWWW

WWWWWWWWLWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWW

As you can see you still get the typical 5 or 6 wins then a loss. BUT, the difference is when a long streak developes it goes on longer than it ever would if you played consecutively. That is the crux of why HIT AND RUN produces a superior strikerate. You are landing on winning games MORE than you would playing straight. Its that simple. Call it timing, luck whatever you like. that's what happens. Why that's so difficult for people to take onboard is beyond me. But I have been playing this way for the last 7 years with VASTLY superior results to what straight play used to bring me.
And that's with a method that has paper odds of 7/1. With code 4 you have paper odds of 80/1. The chances of finding a losing game are so much more remote when you play 2 by 2 as I do. Then a 4 figured strikerate becomes more than a pipe dream. I always aim for a strikerate around double that of the paper odds. I have it with the PATTERN BREAKER/4. And I am going way beyond my expectations with CODE 4. I would be happy with 160/1. But I am approaching 400 games no loss. And its not that they don't happen. I have 3 recorded. The thing is I wasn't home. My session was over and I was merely an observer. TWO BY TWO people.

That discipline to shut it down and come back later is PRICELESS. One other thing stop getting hung up on this 20,40 etc spins later branch. its not the reason HIT AND RUN works. It works as I explained because you are far more likely to be landing on a winning game more than you would if you played consecutively.

Consecutively you are on randoms track. When it decides its going to loserville you have no choice. Loserville it is. Playing hit and run. You are the passenger who gets off the train more often before it reaches loserville. You stop off in winnersville more often, before the last stop. Think it over. The casinos will do whatever they can to keep a high roller playing at their tables. They know the likely outcome if they do. I have seen a player walk into a casino, play one game for a 200 units return every day of the week. Then stop and enjoy the rest of the evening at the bar. I have seen people win more in a day than some people earn in a year, only to leave 7 or 8 hours later not able to afford their taxi fare home.

I PLAY HIT AND RUN for one reason, and one reason only, IT WORKS. If there was a way for me to spend 8 consecutive hours playing and winning if I chose to. Id be on it. Well there is, Its coming tomorrow.

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 02, 05:03 PM 2011
As you can see you still get the typical 5 or 6 wins then a loss. BUT, the difference is when a long streak developes it goes on longer than it ever would if you played consecutively. That is the crux of why HIT AND RUN produces a superior strikerate.

Quote from: Bayes on Jul 03, 03:57 AM 2011
JL, you haven't given a reason why the strike rate should be higher, you've just given a sample of wins and losses (which really means nothing). Why will a winning streak go on longer if 'broken up'? you have no answer to that because there is no answer, it defies all logic. All we have is your claim that you have won using this method, but no-one else seems to be getting the same results.

I have more questions, but since your new system doesn't rely on hit and run, I won't bother with them, for now...


Looking forward to testing the new system.

Quote from: Bayes on Jul 03, 03:57 AM 2011
JL, you haven't given a reason why the strike rate should be higher, you've just given a sample of wins and losses (which really means nothing). Why will a winning streak go on longer if 'broken up'? you have no answer to that because there is no answer, it defies all logic. All we have is your claim that you have won using this method, but no-one else seems to be getting the same results.

I have more questions, but since your new system doesn't rely on hit and run, I won't bother with them, for now...

Looking forward to testing the new system.
O

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 03, 11:26 AM 2011
I have but you are unwilling to accept it as it goes against all you hold dear. I'm not going to even bother posting anymore methods on this forum. If you cannot take onboard that randomly hitting random for one or two games can produce superior results. To sitting there waiting for the crash.

I'm involved in an excercise of absolute futility. I have nothing to gain by making up anything here. I tell it as it happens. If you can't see that I'm not going to push it anymore. I have more important things pending.

QuoteTo sitting there waiting for the crash

Quote from: amk on Jul 03, 12:48 PM 2011
I guess we will just have to agree that we disagree........

Quote from: amk on Jul 03, 12:48 PM 2011
Hello everyone,

I guess we will just have to agree that we disagree........

Everybody has there point of view and we now know we have for and against HIT AND RUN....

Hope we can now continue on with posting results and ideas about CODE 4 and if we are still lucky enough JohnLegends new method :)

Please don't feel discouraged JohnLegend, many of us are here in full support and would be very sad if you left us........

Hope we may hear from you soon again....

Wishing everybody a great 4rth of July

Quotebut I've followed his directions to the letter

Quote from: amk on Jul 03, 03:23 PM 2011
Hello Vundarosa,

JohnLegends results with HIT AND RUN speak for themself.....
Look at his systems, his updates and the story is clear.....
ZeorBlues own results are astonishing, has any ever heard of 1000 straight wins?
Ofcourse there was a trigger but HIT AND RUN was the key as well....

We can debate for or against but we are just spinning in circles....
All we can do is spin in the fashion we like and update the results.....

Don't give up on us JL........

Quote from: superman on Jul 03, 01:37 PM 2011
If Fenders new system is going to put 2 fingers up to the nay sayers then why retract it or decide not to post it? afterall this new one is supposed to be for long term use not hit n run, which is the big problem here lately, hit n run seems like scared play to me, but that's another debate completely.

Quote from: chrisbis on Jul 03, 04:52 PM 2011


@Zer0blue


What's all this "Stuff" mate? (See the attached below)


Was it something you trying to "Paste" into the message?

Or do we have a Forum Code problem Huston?  :question:

Quote from: ZeroBlue on Jul 03, 06:06 PM 2011
@chris


i miss the reveal window when posting.

Quote from: chrisbis on Jul 03, 06:13 PM 2011
Its coming back.........

Quote from: ZeroBlue on Jul 03, 04:31 PM 2011
"HIT & RUN raises odds expectation."  -False.


No big deal. The systems presented still have merit.



Although i think they are no better than any Random Vs Random Method. - True


All systems betting against or in favor of any given pattern have the same hit ratio, because they are based on odds.


If we play one Single EC in patterns of 3 formations



You get 8 combinations


1. RRR
2. RBR
3. RRB
4. RBB
5. BBB
6. BRB
7. BBR
8. BRR

the odds are 1/8

that is set in stone.

You can try different triggers to achieve a better ratio:

Play after 2 consecutive losses. LL then bet and stop on a win.

Wait for a perfect state of balance between the patterns.

Play after a noticeable Ecart and try to catch a correction.

Correlate parameters and raise expectation.
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Quote from: amk on Jul 03, 09:01 PM 2011
Bayes,

A profound discovery was made by Arthur, red and black are the ONLY even chance bets which are evenly distributed around the roulette wheel.......

H/L and E/O are divided around the wheel in a chaotic matter.....

Either way you look at it this effects the game....

RANDOM will have a different result for red and black versus H/L E/O..........

Quote from: warrior on Jul 03, 01:04 PM 2011
John does not get offended that easy trust me.

Quote from: vundarosa on Jul 03, 03:17 PM 2011
"So someone who plays 20 games in a row is much more likely to fail than someone who plays the 20 games only a couple at a time, even though they've both played exactly the same number of spins."

-----------

I have to agree with Bayes here. I don't see any difference from playing continuously or hit & run, in the way its defined here, as short play then walk away.

one is equally likely to find the winning/losing spins by playing hit & run or continously...say you play continously, win 10u then have a loss, playing for 2u will not change the fact that next time you play you can have a loss....in fact it might well be that each time you start you'll enter at the wrong time and have a loss after another, while the guy who just started one spin latter is winning time and time again by playing continously...

vundarosa

Quote from: akuuka on Jul 06, 01:01 AM 2011
My result using Code-4 with my Code-4 Manual.xlsx on casinosbo.com Live Roulette Table 19

Quote from: akuuka on Jul 06, 09:05 AM 2011
Hi Marrivo


SP = Spin
NM = Number
DZ = Dozen
CL = Coloumn
PTK = Point to Check
BET ON = The Dozen or Coloumn that we should to bet
ST = Status of our Bet. Win/lose
Ex:
SP NM Dz Cl PTK BETON ST
1   29   3   B           
2   32   3   B           
3   9   1   C           
4   26   3   B           
5   0   -   -           
6   26   3   B           
7   32   3   B   1   3   12   L
8   7   1   A   1   B   AC   W
After Spin #6, we should see PTK = 13, ignore PTK, just see on BetON= 12 to put yout bet, so we should bet for spin #7 on Doz 12
if we win, then Status would be "W" and if we lose Status would be "L".
After Spin #7, we should see PTK = 1B, BetOn=AC, so we should bet for spin #8 on Coloumn AC
en so on

That's all. Simply.

Best Regard,
akuuka

Quote from: akuuka on Jul 06, 04:10 PM 2011
Marrivo ... don't be confuse about PTK. :)

PTK is just my way on excell formula to make sure that :
a. on spin #7 will according to spin#1 on Dz
b. on spin #8 will according to spin#1 on Col
c. on spin #9 will according to spin#2 on Dz
d. on spin #10 will according to spin#2 on Col
and so on ...


That's all. Just to make easier for me to create excell formula. ;D

Quote from: marivo on Jul 06, 04:49 PM 2011

I see. Why are you tracking this way? Originally we wait 12 spins and then bet against 1., right?

Quote from: amk on Jun 08, 03:15 PM 2011
                                                               
                                                              CODE 4 DC

Note down the last 12 spins of dozens/columns alternating into 3 groups each 4 wide..

Example:  numbers 1,2,3 are dozens, letters A,B,C are columns

                             2B1C
                             3C2A
                             2C3A
                              .........  fourth pattern

Quote from: atlantis on Jul 06, 01:59 PM 2011
CODE 4 with reverse switch
=====================
Record lines in matrix 4.

Alternate results:
doz/col/doz/col
col/doz/col/doz

Stop at any winner per line.

I prefer the progression 1-1,2-2,3-3,4-4,5-5.....etc
Up 1 on a loss; down 1 on a win
Reset to 1-1 when level or ahead.

(can use standard code4 progression instead; 1-1,3-3,9-9,27-27)

I would advise for better advantage to play only on NOZERO roulette

2c2c --first line results
b3c2 --L-2, L-4, w+3   -3 (reduce to 2-2)
1b3b --w+2                -1 (reduce to 1-1)
a3a3 --L-2, w+2           -1
1b2a --L-2, w+2           -1
b2c1 --w+1                 +0
3c1b --w+1                 +1
a1c3 --w+1                 +2
2b2c --w+1                 +3
b1a1 --L-2, w+2          +3
2a1a --L-2, w+2          +3
a1a1 --w+1                 +4
2b1b --w+1                 +5
a3a1 --w+1                 +6
3b2c --w+1                 +7
a1a3 --w+1                 +8
3a2b --w+1                 +9
c2b1 --L-2,w+2            +9
2a3c --w+1                 +10

+10u in 76 spins.


Explanation
========
2c2c
b3c2
The first bet is 1u on both COLUMN 1 & 3 (opposite to dozen result 2) The bet lost
The second bet is 2u on both DOZEN 1 & 2  (opposite to column result c) The bet lost
The third bet is 3u on both COLUMN 1 & 3 (opposite to dozen result 2) The bet won STOP

2c2c
b3c2
1b3b
The first bet is 2u on DOZEN 1 & 3 (opposite to column result b) The bet won STOP

2c2c
b3c2
1b3b
a3a3
The first bet is 1u on COLUMN 2 & 3 (opposite to dozen result 1) The bet lost
The second bet is 2u on DOZEN 1 & 3 (opposite to column result b) The bet won STOP

2c2c
b3c2
1b3b
a3a3
1b2a
The first bet is 1u on DOZEN 2 & 3 (opposite to column result a) The bet lost
The second bet is 2u on COLUMN 1 & 2 (opposite to dozen result 3) The bet won STOP

2c2c
b3c2
1b3b
a3a3
1b2a
b2c1
The first bet is 1u on COLUMN 2 & 3 (opposite to dozen result 1) The bet won STOP

etc..etc..

If playing standard code4 progression the result is +18u.
1 won at level 3
5 won at level 2
12 won at level 1
There was no level 4 bet required.

Interesting  - and maybe with HIT AND RUN???

Cheers,
A.

Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 06, 10:13 PM 2011
Very interesting new take   :) . Alternating dz & col. I will try it @ PP Slingshot. Less $$$ consuming prog. Have you played it more?

Quote from: atlantis on Jul 07, 02:32 PM 2011
Hi Robeenhuut,

I played a continuous session of 248 spins with REVERSE CODE 4 which meant I played 61 lines...

41 won on bet 1
12 won on bet 2
7 won on bet 3
1 LOST on bet 4

The one losing line cost me -2, -4, -6 and -8 = total of -20units. That happened on the 38th game (line) from commencement of play. At the time of the 4-loss I was +25units so at that point in the session I was reduced to +5units.

I continued play from the 5-5 level. The bets did eventually rise to 11-11 due to the circumstances that occurred but at the 50th game I had managed to return to +25units at which point I lowered bets to 1-1 and from thence on increased the profit to +30units at the 61st game.

In this session I did not reduce the progression at any stage until I was level or ahead of any previous bankroll high.

However as JL will no doubt tell you.. I do not think continuous play is the safest option at all -- I am only just testing it that way to see how it performs.
If playing standard code4 progression there would have been a full one line loss (80u) incurred.

A.

Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 07, 10:21 PM 2011
I played 11 games on PP Slingshot and managed to win 6 units. I wouldnt play it continuously. Get on hot streak and get out. But this thing looks pretty stable and You can recover fairly quickly.

Quote from: atlantis on Jul 08, 08:29 AM 2011
Hi Robeenhuut,

Thanks. Yes probably a good idea hit'n'run tactics. Here is something to check out and try!

This is my REVERSE CODE 4 session result played slightly differently.

Here I use a revised 3 step progression per line (no fourth bet made):

1st Step: 1-1
2nd Step: 1-1
3rd Step: 3-3

(total 10u at risk)


2a3a - first line
a2a2  w    +1
2c1c  w    +2
b2a2  w    +1
3b3a  w    +2
a2c3  w    +3
3c2b  w    +4
c1c2  w    +3
3b3a  w    +2
a1b2  w    +3
1b1a  w    +2
b1a3  w    +3
3b3c  w    +4
c2a2  w    +3
1c3a  w    +4
c3a3  w    +5
1b3b  w    +6
c3b2  w    +7
2b1b  w    +8
c2a1  w    +9
2b3a  w    +10
b1b3  w    +9
3a2c  w    +10
c1a3  w    +9
2b1a  w    +10
a1b3  w    +11
2a2a  w    +12
b1c2  w    +11
2c3b  w    +10
a1b3  w    +11
3b1a  w    +12
b1c2  w    +13
2a2a  w    +12
b3c3  w    +11
3a3a  w    +12
b1a2  w    +13
1c2c  w    +14
a3b3  L     +4 *3 step loss
3c2b  w     +5
a3b2  w     +6
3b2a  w     +7
c2c1  w     +6
3a3c  w     +5
a2b2  w     +6
2a1b  w     +7
b2a3  w     +6
2b3c  w     +5
a2b1  w     +6
3c3c  w     +7
1a1c  w     +8
b1c3  w     +9
2c3c  w     +8
b2c3  w     +7
3b3c  w     +8
c2a2  w     +7
2c1c  w     +8
a3c2  w     +9
3b2c  w     +10
a3a1  w     +11   
1a1b  w     +10     
b3a2  w     +11

+11 in 61 games. Highest bet 3-3.

I tried to take advantage of fact that MOST wins are on bet 1.  A win on bet 2 or bet 3 produces a result of -1.
A three step loss results in -10 (happened only once above in game 38)
So hopefully get more +1's than -1's.  Played HIT ' n ' RUN could be good!

:)

A.

Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 08, 09:48 AM 2011
U get most of the hits on the first step so in my opinion it would make a perfect sense
2 come up with progression that would maintain sort of status quo in later stages.
U make yr money in 1 step and try not 2 lose it in further steps. I don't like 1,3,9,27.
Yr prog is better even 4 sort of continuous play (10-20 games)

QuoteOriginally these are 2 numbers. If you take it as 1 number then it's CODE 4 your way. No problem. Just to be clear

Quote from: shermantor on Jul 07, 04:35 PM 2011
Hi guys.

Just a thought dunno if it would work.  What about betting for the same pattern to appear?  So for example I had, on pp slingshot, first numbers

1B1B numbers 8,5,1,36
xxxx
xxxx
1B1C numbers 12,11,2,12

And william first numbers

1C1A
xxxx
xxxx
2B2A

So instead of betting opposite spending 2 units.  What about betting 1 unit on at least 1 item appearing again?  Progression 1,1,2,3 ?  7 unit loss if lose. +2 or +1 if win.  Or 1,2,4,8.  15 units loss or a +2 win?

Dunno if anyone could check their winnings and see if this is any good or not?

Quote from: ZeroBlue on Jul 07, 04:39 PM 2011
it has exactly the same odds-

Quote from: atlantis on Jul 08, 02:19 PM 2011
If playing same hit'n'run style as JohnLegend and going for 2 wins per session opposing 1st line with 4th (original) then don't see why "Reverse Code 4" cannot be equally as successful using the existing 1.3.9.27 staking plan...
Or maybe you can play 1 session using original then 1 session with reverse method.
A.

Quote from: marivo on Jul 08, 02:56 PM 2011


Is that true?

Quote from: ZeroBlue on Jul 09, 07:32 AM 2011

What will make a huge profit on this is compounding. A simple way is once you get 5 times your Initial buy in (80) you should raise your base unit.

Quote from: ZeroBlue on Jul 09, 08:04 AM 2011

For a fast turn over when one reaches double Bank 160 units or even more safe 200 units one could bet


2 - 6 - 18 - 54


Although there are countless ways of doing this, with this strike rate it feels very safe.


Just to illustrate this. with John Legend results, in a very agressive manner


initial bank 80
unit size=level 1
1-3-9-27
Win 80 Games


New Bank 160
unit size=level 2
2-6-18-54
Win 40 Games ==== total Games Won - 120


New Bank 240
unit size=level 3
3-9-27-81
Win 30 Games ==== total Games Won - 150


New Bank 330
unit size=level 4
4-12-36-108
Win 20 Games ==== total Games Won - 170


New Bank 410
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