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Title: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Apr 06, 02:54 PM 2013
         Here's a method I use in baccarat where it is more successful because there are no zero's.You can use it on roulette as is or you can decide to cover the zero's.You record the decisions as follows, if the last decision was a red you check what the result was two back,if it was also a red it is recorded as a win ,if it was a black,it is recorded as a loss.As you record the results,you only bet after the following streaks ,two losses in a row,or two wins in a row.If you get two losses in a row or two wins in a row bet the same as the decision two back.Play no other streaks.
       For money management I use the penthouse progression.1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-etc.Move one position to the right on a loss and move one position to the left on a win,reset after a plus 1 and start again.I play for +3.
                                                                          B
                                                                          P
                                                                          B-w
                                                                          P-w
                                  (bet here same as 2 back)  B-w+1(reset)





                                                 

                                                                         

Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: TwoCatSam on Apr 06, 03:06 PM 2013
Are you speaking o* decision be*ore last?  Penultimate?

Sam
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Turner on Apr 06, 05:51 PM 2013
I am very basic with baccarat...never studied it

I get it...but like 100 times less than roulette and even less than Craps.

In roulette, there "seem" to be limits, and sods law says if it can happen, it will. So red or black can easy sleep for 15-20 times

is this seen in Baccarat? Dealer wins 20 in a row...player wins 15 in a row etc?
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: marvin on Apr 07, 06:22 AM 2013
looks good, you can somehow ride on both streaky and choppy table.
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: GLC on Apr 07, 10:13 AM 2013
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Apr 06, 03:06 PM 2013
Are you speaking o* decision be*ore last?  Penultimate?

Sam

Sam,  It looks like he's playing both penultimate and opposite penultimate.  If penultimate wins 2 times in a row, bet the penultimate will win a 3rd time.  If opposite penultimate wins 2 times in a row, bet opposite penultimate will win a 3rd time.

For all us believers in trends, this should be a good bet method to catch short trends.

Dutchy, I love the penthouse bet progression and +3 is a good win target.  Do you use a stop-loss? 

GLC 
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: buffalowizard on Apr 07, 11:06 AM 2013
Guys, I think Dutchy waits for two wins or losses of a penultimate EC before betting

B
R
B  1st virtual win
B
B 2nd virtual win, bet black next as colour before last was Black
R loss
R 1st virtual loss
R 2nd virtual loss
Bet red
R WIN
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: GLC on Apr 07, 11:38 AM 2013
Quote from: buffalowizard on Apr 07, 11:06 AM 2013
Guys, I think Dutchy waits for two wins or losses of a penultimate EC before betting

B
R
B  1st virtual win
B  BW, isn't this a virtual loss, thus eliminating the above virtual win? :question: Dutchy where are you?
B 2nd virtual win, bet black next as colour before last was Black
R loss
R 1st virtual loss
R 2nd virtual loss
Bet red
R WIN

GLC
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: ADulay on Apr 07, 12:03 PM 2013
Quote from: Dutchy on Apr 06, 02:54 PM 2013
        As you record the results,you only bet after the following streaks ,two losses in a row,or two wins in a row.
If you get two losses in a row or two wins in a row bet the same as the decision two back.

I believe he is describing two events in a row, not a running total of two in a row.

AD
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: ADulay on Apr 07, 12:09 PM 2013
Also, this particular style of wagering is interesting in that it will beat all "425's", lose only to the first "2" in a string of terrible twos, and catches all of the singles.

This does has possibilites.

I've done some random testing on pulled sheets from my baccarat compilation (all live, no RNG) and the longest losing streak of placed wagers is 3.  Not bad for initial testing.

I'll keep this one on the front burner and test it daily to see if there's something that needs to be done to tweak it up a bit.

Also, for those contemplating baccrat, or those who do not understand it, you'll be happy to know that most "casual" players at the baccrat table don't know the details of the game either.

If you wish to test the waters, so to speak, think of it as betting on Red/Black on a wheel with no zeroes.  That's as simple as I can make it.  You have no decisions to make other than what to wager on...  Player or Banker.

AD
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: DaDee on Apr 07, 02:20 PM 2013
So when you win, you now have 3 wins, 2 virtual and 1 real. When does the next trigger come?

For example if you got another virtual win straight after the real one would you bet it again.

B
P
B - virtual
P - virtual
B - +1
P - virtual
???? Bet again here

Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: GLC on Apr 07, 04:25 PM 2013
Quote from: Dutchy on Apr 06, 02:54 PM 2013
         Here's a method I use in baccarat where it is more successful because there are no zero's.You can use it on roulette as is or you can decide to cover the zero's.You record the decisions as follows, if the last decision was a red you check what the result was two back,if it was also a red it is recorded as a win ,if it was a black,it is recorded as a loss.As you record the results,you only bet after the following streaks ,two losses in a row,or two wins in a row.If you get two losses in a row or two wins in a row bet the same as the decision two back.Play no other streaks.
       For money management I use the penthouse progression.1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-etc.Move one position to the right on a loss and move one position to the left on a win,reset after a plus 1 and start again.I play for +3.
                                                                          B
                                                                          P
                                                                          B-w
                                                                          P-w
                                  (bet here same as 2 back)  B-w+1(reset)





                                                 

                                                                         

It sounds to me like we can only bet for the penultimate on a signal and the signal can be either 2 virtual wins or 2 virtual losses.

I guess if you win your bet, you have to track for another trigger of either 2 wins or 2 losses and then you can bet the penultimate again. 

Maybe it doesn't matter if one of the wins was a real bet.

In DaDee's example, his real bet win could be the 1st of the 2 wins needed for a bet signal.  It might also be the 2nd win of a trigger.

Dutchy, help!
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Apr 07, 04:56 PM 2013
      Hi folks,I'll do my best to try to clear up a few points.Hopefully this example will do.You track the results as we go along.We only bet after two losses or two wins( virtual)this is the trigger as of when to bet.)If the decision 2 back is the same as the last decision it is declared a win if it is not, it is declared a loss.We start from beginning.
                                                                                          R
                                                                                          B
                                                                                          R-w(same as two back)
                                                                                          B-w(same as two back)(trigger to bet as two virtual wins,bet same as two back R)
                                                                                          R-w(+1)(stop play until you get two virtual wins or two virtual Losses),we;ll continue
                                                                                          R-L(1st virtual loss)
                                                                                          B-L(2nd vitual loss)(trigger to bet,bet same as two back R)
                                                                                          R-w(+1)(stop play until two virtual wins or two virtual losses)
                                                                                          R-L
                                                                                          B-L(as two virtual losses bet next hand,bet R)
                                                                                          B-L(-1 unit,loss)
                                                                                          R-L
                                                                                          B-w
                                                                                          R-w(trigger to bet again.bet B)
                                                                                          B-w(win,even in series as lost 4 back).Continue on in this mannner.Reset at +1.Always back to 1 in the penthouse scale after a +1.If you lose 4 in a row your next bet is 3(1-1-2-2).Hope this helps,George the penthouse is great as you know,never really escalating at a high rate but at a modest rate.Stop loss is a personal thing but if you have a good bankroll this will help alot.Like I said I use it at Baccarat because no zero's.

                                                                                         

                                   
                                                                           
                                                                     
                                                                                       
                                     
                                                                         
                                                                             
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: GLC on Apr 07, 05:06 PM 2013
Dutchy,  Thanks for your explanation.  That is very clear.  I was playing just the way you posted and reached +20 in about 60 spins.  I have a few tracking periods where I didn't get a trigger to bet for 10 + spins.  It was an easy win.  Biggest draw down was 4 units.

A couple of times I had
R
R
R  W  Virtual
R  W  Virtual  Next is a bet
R  W +1
R  W  Virtual
R  W  Virtual  Next is a bet.  Feels like I should bet for B since I've had 7 R's in a row.

I had 2 of these and I won 1 and lost the other.

Interesting bet selection method.

The zeros are a pain in the neck.  But they always are in roulette.

GLC
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Apr 07, 05:35 PM 2013
     George,glad you had a good run but I must clear up one more thing.If you get the following:R-
                                                                                                                                          R-
                                                                                                                                          R-w
                                                                                                                                          R-w(trigger,bet 2 back)
                                                                                                                                          R-W(+1)I stop right here as I only bet on w-w or L-L sequences.
                                                                                                                                          R-
                                                                                                                                          R-
    I believe you have a decent chance of cutting a few units a day if played as above. :ooh:
   





                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                         
               
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: DaDee on Apr 07, 06:14 PM 2013
Quote from: Dutchy on Apr 07, 05:35 PM 2013
     George,glad you had a good run but I must clear up one more thing.If you get the following:R-
                                                                                                                                          R-
                                                                                                                                          R-w
                                                                                                                                          R-w(trigger,bet 2 back)
                                                                                                                                          R-W(+1)I stop right here as I only bet on w-w or L-L sequences.
                                                                                                                                          R-
                                                                                                                                          R-
    I believe you have a decent chance of cutting a few units a day if played as above. :ooh:
   





                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                         
               
Hey mate, can you confirm something for me.

If I get,

W
W -  bet for a win now
W +1
W
W - do I bet for a W now??? Or does there need to be some L's between the W's

Cheers


Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: buffalowizard on Apr 07, 06:22 PM 2013
Quote from: Dutchy on Apr 07, 05:35 PM 2013
     George,glad you had a good run but I must clear up one more thing.If you get the following:R-
                                                                                                                                          R-
                                                                                                                                          R-w
                                                                                                                                          R-w(trigger,bet 2 back)
                                                                                                                                          R-W(+1)I stop right here as I only bet on w-w or L-L sequences.
                                                                                                                                          R-
                                                                                                                                          R-
    I believe you have a decent chance of cutting a few units a day if played as above. :ooh:
   





                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                         
               

So basically after a win you retrack and wait for another ww or ll trigger
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: DaDee on Apr 07, 06:25 PM 2013
Quote from: buffalowizard on Apr 07, 06:22 PM 2013
So basically after a win you retrack and wait for another ww or ll trigger

Yes but what if the streak of W's or L's continue, do you count them as a trigger?

I gave an example in my previous post.
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Apr 07, 08:56 PM 2013
        DaDee,you only bet after a w-w or L-L sequence,if it goes three or more no bet.BuffaloWizard,your right ,you reset after a win and wait for your next w-w or L-L sequence. :wink:
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: DaDee on Apr 08, 05:30 AM 2013
I done a test on 256 shoes.

That's about 10000 results.

There was,

1429 wins

1310 loses


Looking at the WL streaks, it didn't look any different that just betting P or B for every result.

Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Tomla021 on Apr 08, 06:13 AM 2013
Havent been here for awhile, finally some baccarat talk_: ) Looks interesting i will check it further
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Apr 08, 02:58 PM 2013
       Just a quick note about this system,it's not always roses.I did a shoe from random.org yesterday where I was down quite a few units,it took me 26 bets to win out.During that time I only won 11 of 26(42.31%).So not bad for only winning 11/26 and still winning out.Any experiences from some of the forum would be appreciated. >:D
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: sniper on Apr 08, 07:42 PM 2013
Sorry, double posting. Please delete this.


Thanks
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: sniper on Apr 08, 08:06 PM 2013

Hello Dutchy,

Thanks for the system.

Quote from: Dutchy on Apr 08, 02:58 PM 2013
       Just a quick note about this system,it's not always roses.I did a shoe from random.org yesterday where I was down quite a few units,it took me 26 bets to win out.During that time I only won 11 of 26(42.31%).So not bad for only winning 11/26 and still winning out.Any experiences from some of the forum would be appreciated. >:D

If you don't mind,could you please show us how to play out the above session.

B
B
B    W (virtual win 1)
B    W (virtual win 2)
B    W (actual win +1)
P    L   (virtual loss 1)
P    L   (virtual loss 2)
P   W  (actual win +1)
P   W  (virtual win 1)
?        do we bet here?

Thanks & Regards

Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Apr 08, 10:39 PM 2013
       Sniper,you played it as it should be played and yes you make the last bet.Just remember you only bet after w-w or L-L sequences. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: andrebac on Apr 12, 08:04 PM 2013
What's your stop loss?
and how many times you reach it every 10 shoes?
many thanks
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Apr 14, 11:30 PM 2013
   Andreabac,
                   I personally only play for a +3 because the higher your goals the harder it is to achieve them and the higher your chance of losing your bankroll.This system is such that it is possible to pull out a win even if you lose more than you win.See a previous post were it took 26 bets to get a +1,the system pulled out a winner with 11 wins and 15  losses.So like other methods there are hard sessions.For many people that statement will put them off.I recently did a session at random.org,I beleive I was down 19 units and came back for a +1.It depends on you if you want to go that far for the unit.Many will not and I can accept that.My personal thoughts are a bankroll of 60 or more units will stand you in good position to win a high percentage of +3's or more.If you loose 30 units or more I would stop the chase.Again it is a personal decision.Hope that helps. :ooh:
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Apr 16, 12:56 AM 2013

         Today's trip notes,only for the stoutest of grinders.I reached a +2 easily and then all hell broke loose.It took me an amazing 92 bets to win out the next unit.The final count was 42 wins and 50 looses(45.65%).At one point I was down 65 units and wanted to quit but then I wanted to see how it would end.The maximum bet was 9 units.
         It was amazing to come back from a 65 unit loss.The penthouse progression was great.As a result of today's play I'll have revise my stop-loss to a minimium of 78 units and pray the sky doesn't fall any further! :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: marvin on Apr 16, 05:17 AM 2013
that 78u, exactly how many steps is that in penthouse....
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: agesta on Apr 16, 11:03 AM 2013
Hi!
I tested this with real Money, SEK kr small once,my furtune, it tanked heavily for me, i did everything i could, i lost 80 units.
Ok i did not have a stoploss, my bad.
I had to go to 10 in progression.
I will Control if i played it right but i Think so.
Sorry i Think , maybe bad luck.
agesta :(
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Apr 16, 01:03 PM 2013
      Marvin that would take you to the first play on the 9th step(that would be 81 units).Agesta,sorry for your heavy loss, that's what we don't like to see.Were you ever up a +3 before the loss? Or did it just tank from the get go?It's strange how it goes.I set what I thought were very modest goals, just a +3 and as you can see that doesn't always happen. :(
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Apr 16, 01:50 PM 2013

           Much better result today(+3).27 bets -13 winners(48.15%).Highest bet was only 3 units.Tested at random.org. >:D
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: agesta on Apr 16, 03:46 PM 2013
Quote from: Dutchy on Apr 16, 01:03 PM 2013
      Marvin that would take you to the first play on the 9th step(that would be 81 units).Agesta,sorry for your heavy loss, that's what we don't like to see.Were you ever up a +3 before the loss? Or did it just tank from the get go?It's strange how it goes.I set what I thought were very modest goals, just a +3 and as you can see that doesn't always happen. :(
Hi
I reached +2 units in the first 5 bets, then i lost until +5 in progression and then it was ups and downs maybe for 20 spins and then came the big hole.
I have controlled my game maybe 1 or 2 bets that i did wrong.
I will test this further because i like this anyway.
Agesta
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Apr 17, 02:49 PM 2013
           Today's results from random.org-(+3)-12 bets-7 wins(58.33%)-most units down 2-highest unit bet 2 units. ^-^
             
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Apr 17, 03:11 PM 2013
          One more form random.org-(+3)-8 bets-5 wins(62.50%)-most units down 4-highest unit bet 2. ^-^
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Apr 18, 12:05 AM 2013
               After further testing I have decided to make a major tweet to this method.This will protect the bankroll a whole lot more and as a result you will bet less and your unit bets will be smaller.You will still bet after w-w or L-L sequences but with a further qualification that you must of won your last(real bet).If you lost your last real bet  you must win a virtual bet before starting to bet again.This will be a big help, when in the past we got L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L we lost many units as a result now we'll only lose the first bet.

                                                                                                            example
                                                                                                                        p-b-(3)L(-7)
                                                                                                                           p-w
                                                                                                                           b-w
                                                                                                                        p-b-L virtual win needed(VWN)-lost
                                                                                                                           b-w
                                                                                                                           b-w
                                                                                                                        b-p-L (VWN)-lost
                                                                                                                           b-w
                                                                                                                           p-w
                                                                                                                        b-b-w(vwm)-win
                                                                                                                           p-w
                                                                                                                           p-L
                                                                                                                           b-L
                                                                                                                        p-p-w(3)w(-4)
                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                     




                                                           
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: andrebac on Apr 29, 12:31 PM 2013
Dutchy,
any more updates?
thanks
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on May 08, 05:51 PM 2013
      today's trip notes (+3).testing at random.org.If I lost a bet I needed a virtual win before starting again.VWN(virtual win needed)
                                                                            B
                                                                            B
                                                                            P-L
                                                                            B-L
                                                                    (p)   P-W(1) W+1 (RESET)
                                                                            P-L
                                                                            B-L
                                                                    (p)   B-L(1)L(-1)
                                                                            B-L
                                                                            B-W
                                                                            P-L
                                                                            P-L
                                                                  (p)      B-L VWN (L)
                                                                             P-W
                                                                             B-W
                                                                     (p)    P-W VWN (w)
                                                                              B-W
                                                                              P-W
                                                                              B-W
                                                                              B-L
                                                                              B-W
                                                                              B-W
                                                                     (b)     P-L(1) L(-2)
                                                                               B-W
                                                                               P-W
                                                                      (B)    P-L VWN(L)
                                                                               B-L
                                                                       (P)    P-W (2) W (E)
                                                                                P-L
                                                                                P-W
                                                                                 P-W
                                                                       (P)     B-L (1) L(-1)
                                                                                 B-L
                                                                        (B)    P-L VWN (L)
                                                                                  B-W
                                                                                  B-L
                                                                                  P-L
                                                                          (B)   B-W VWN (w)
                                                                                   P-W
                                                                           (B)   B-W (2) W +1 RESET
                                                                                   B-L
                                                                                   B-W
                                                                                   P-L
                                                                                   P-L
                                                                       (P)       P-W (1) +1 RESET >:D
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                                 
                                               
                                                                                 
                                                                                   
 
                                                                                     
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on May 08, 08:37 PM 2013
       There are a few mistakes in the first few decisions,the shoe ended up a +2.
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: andrebac on May 09, 10:10 AM 2013
Dutchy,
do you deploy always the Penthouse prog?
do you set a stop loss for a shoe or session?
thanks

Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on May 09, 09:43 PM 2013
        Andrebac,I only use the penthouse progression just because I think it's effective.I play only for a +3,once I achieve this I leave.Stop-loss is a personal decision depends on your bankroll ,your goals. ^-^
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Tomla021 on May 10, 02:57 AM 2013
Penthouse is great I use it a lot--I also use positive progressions ---
best o luck
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: jrhelp007 on Jul 23, 12:24 AM 2013
 Dutchy,

I got a notification that you replied to my personal message. But my INBOX is empty. It only contains a copied pasted of my message to you?

Can you resend your personal message to me again please.

Thanks, GOD BLess,

John
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Jul 23, 02:30 PM 2013
       Hi John,Sorry for the non message my mistake.My explanation on the 1st and 12th posts explain everything as best as i can.The only other adjustment I made was if you get a loss, stop until you get a win then begin betting.Example B
                                                                                                    R
                                                                                                    B-W(same as two back)
                                                                                                    R-W(same as two back)(trigger to bet two wins,w-w bet same as two back)
                                                                                                    B-won
       The other trigger to bet is L-L(TWO VIRTUAL LOSSES,THE EXAMPLE ABOVE WAS TWO VIRTUAL WINS).You only bet these two triggers that's it.My adjustment was if you loose a bet wait until you win your next bet and then begin betting on the next trigger.John record the results black or red vertically and check the result two back if it is  the same it is recorded as a win if it is different it is recorded as a loss.You will not get alot of action if you are losing because you are waiting for a win and then the next trigger before betting.Best of luck! ;D
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: jrhelp007 on Jul 23, 02:44 PM 2013
Thank you.

John
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: donjuan on Sep 26, 08:13 PM 2013

Best!...  Dutchy method apply from baccarat and money management.  i use 11223344..(i call it ..repeat D'Alembert) on my system baccarat i think i very good work and sometime i use 111222334455.. on my playing too.


I used GLC's money management for dozen of roulette playing.  My dozen playing,  by statistics of number 1 - 36 and win more than lose exactly.
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: donjuan on Sep 26, 08:55 PM 2013
Dutchy  i read your explain example bet seclection. Is it incorrect? (highlight)                                                                   

                                                                            B
                                                                            B
                                                                            P-L
                                                                            B-L
                                                                    (p)   P-W(1) W+1 (RESET)
                                                                            P-L
                                                                            B-L
                                                                    (p)   B-L(1)L(-1)
                                                                            B-L
                                                                            B-W
                                                                            P-L
                                                                            P-L
                                                                  (p)      B-L VWN (L)
                                                                             P-W
                                                                             B-W
                                                                     (p)    P-W VWN (w)
                                                                              B-W
                                                                              P-W
                                                                              B-W
                                                                              B-L
                                                                              B-W
                                                                              B-W
                                                                     (b)     P-L(1) L(-2)
                                                                               B-W
                                                                               P-W
                                                                      (B)    P-L VWN(L)
                                                                               B-L
                                                                       (P)    P-W (2) W (E)
                                                                                P-L
                                                                                P-W
                                                                                 P-W
                                                                       (P)     B-L (1) L(-1)
                                                                                 B-L
                                                                        (B)    P-L VWN (L)
                                                                                  B-W
                                                                                  B-L
                                                                                  P-L
                                                                          (B)   B-W VWN (w)
                                                                                   P-W
                                                                           (B)   B-W (2) W +1 RESET
                                                                                   B-L
                                                                                   B-W
                                                                                   P-L
                                                                                   P-L
                                                                       (P)       P-W (1) +1 RESET
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Sep 29, 01:50 PM 2013
 Donjuan,you are correct in your assumption.I explained in a post or two down that there was a few mistakes.Regards,Dutchy :P
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Sep 29, 02:11 PM 2013
    After playing this system for some time I now play it the following way.
                                           b
                                           p
                                           b-w
                                           p-w(now bet opposite of two back,betting for P)
                                           p-L(you win).Note this is for ww sequence.
    For the LL sequence play as follows
                                           p
                                           p
                                           b-L
                                           b-L
                                           P-L(you win)opposite of two back.
    Hope this helps,note I use the penthouse progression.And as always only betting after WW or LL sequence and now betting opposite of two back.Regards,Dutchy
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: donjuan on Oct 04, 08:53 AM 2013
thank dutchy..

you can try this method..

you use opposite and same in LL or WW.  If you start with Same, make you lose.  you change Same and use Opposite.

Example

B R B   R R B B R R B B R  B B B  B R B B R
      W W L L L L  L L  L L W LW W LW L L
              s       o        s                  o               (normal start with  s (same))

              -1     1         -1                2   




If score make you lose you will change S  to  O at start point.


B R B   R R B B R R B B R  B B B  B R B B R
      W W L L L L  L L  L L W LW W LW L L
              o       s        o                  s          o   s  o  s  o  s  o  s...about 40 - 60 spins and stop this session.




Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Oct 04, 01:28 PM 2013
   
         Donjuan,thanks for your method,interesting.That's the good thing about the forum,you post your METHOD and people share there ideas.Everybody seeing it a little differently.For me I don't want to be betting every spin or hand thats why only after LL or WW. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: donjuan on Oct 04, 02:04 PM 2013

This apply method is not bet every spin. It is like your method by bet after LL or WW.

My apply .. adding O S  or  S O.

If O S make more lose on beginning test  game, stop using O S  and replace by S O.









Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: donjuan on Oct 04, 02:22 PM 2013
Example     s  = same or repeat    o  = opposite


     B  B  B   R   B   R  B  B  B  R  R  B  B  R  B  B  B  R  R  B  R  R  R  R  B  B  R  R  B  R  R  R  R  B  R  B  R  B  B  B  R  B  R  R  B

            W   L   W W W L W  L  L  L  L   L  W L W  L  L  L  W  L W W L  L  L   L  L  W L  W W L  W W W W L W L W  W  L  L
                                o                 s            o
                 bet R result B   bet R result B  bet R result B   <--------  use  o starting test give more lose so next bet u will use  s  o  replace..
                               -1                -1          -2
                            no bet           no bet    no bet


     B  B  B   R   B   R  B  B  B  R  R  B  B  R  B  B  B  R  R  B  R  R  R  R  B  B  R  R  B  R  R  R  R  B  R  B  R  B  B  B  R  B  R  R  B
            W   L   W W W L W  L  L   L  L   L W L W  L  L  L  W  L W W  L  L  L   L  L  W L  W W L W W W W L W L W  W  L  L 

                                s                 o            s                 o                   s          o                       s          o                         s
                            no bet            no bet    no bet         start bet here

                                                                                   ---------->
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: cheEsteban on May 08, 03:51 PM 2014
Hmmm, it has been a while since i have been playing at Dublinbet.

Maybe i should ease back in with this method...
Anyone else tried it on baccarat and roulette?

Thanks everyone for sharing!
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Feb 10, 05:38 PM 2015
    Just an update on this method.I have been tracking it for years.The pattern w-w play to loose is the best way to play it,
                                         
                                                     example
                                                                  p
                                                                  p
                                                                  p-w(same as two back)
                                                                  p-w(same as two back)(trigger to bet,opposite of two back)
                                                                  b-l(you win)Begin tracking again looking for w-w pattern.

                                                     example 2
                                                                  b
                                                                  p
                                                                  b-w(same as two back)
                                                                  p-w(same as two back)(trigger to bet,opposite of two back)
                                                                  p-l(you win)(Begin tracking again for w-w pattern)
      I bet under no other condition and I still use the penthouse progression as explained earlier.
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: ilikebaccarat on Feb 17, 03:17 PM 2015
Quote from: Dutchy on Feb 10, 05:38 PM 2015
    Just an update on this method.I have been tracking it for years.The pattern w-w play to loose is the best way to play it,
                                         
                                                     example
                                                                  p
                                                                  p
                                                                  p-w(same as two back)
                                                                  p-w(same as two back)(trigger to bet,opposite of two back)
                                                                  b-l(you win)Begin tracking again looking for w-w pattern.

                                                     example 2
                                                                  b
                                                                  p
                                                                  b-w(same as two back)
                                                                  p-w(same as two back)(trigger to bet,opposite of two back)
                                                                  p-l(you win)(Begin tracking again for w-w pattern)
      I bet under no other condition and I still use the penthouse progression as explained earlier.

Dutchy,

You dont wait for any virtual wins or losses? Simply, WW, then bet against it? using PH progression?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: ilikebaccarat on Feb 22, 10:39 AM 2015
Also, do you have a stop loss in place and do you have a win goal/shoe?
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: ilikebaccarat on Feb 22, 10:42 AM 2015
Also, what do you do when you have WWW, do you bet again right away for the loss to come in or wait for another W which would be 4 now and bet again? Or you could have WWWL, obviously if you wait you would wait for another WWWLWW then bet for the L to come in....

Wish dutchy came back to explain!!!
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Feb 23, 03:53 PM 2015
 :thumbsup:Ilikebaccarat, I only bet under the WW trigger(wait for it).The reason being is I don't believe in betting ever hand so this cuts the shoe down to a limited number of bets.If it goes WWW that means we have lost the bet and wait for the next ww trigger.As for a stop loss its not really needed because you have limited bets but if you get a bad run of luck you could impose one.ILB, I think one of main reasons we loose is because we bet to often(craving action).As for a goal for the shoe play for as much as possible, minimum +3,again this may be to low for some.Regards.
 
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: ilikebaccarat on Feb 23, 08:10 PM 2015
Dutchy,

Thank you for the response. No, I agree with you, less decisions is IMO, much better!

I am going to test this on some of my score cards from my local casino and see how it works out.

One more question: Do you still use Penthouse progression with this system?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Feb 24, 06:57 PM 2015
Hi ILB,
         I did some testing last night it won 12 of 23 shoes but on most of these shoes I only got 4 or more bets per shoe.If you get a shoe with very few bets and you are still down carry the negative balance into the next shoe so the progression has a chance to help you out.If after the shoe you are up, start over fresh.Yes, I use the Penthouse progression but if you have something else in mind go for it.Check GLC, the man on progressions.I should note playing a six deck easy baccarat so if it was 8 deck there will be more bets.Good Luck
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: ilikebaccarat on Feb 25, 10:06 AM 2015
Quote from: Dutchy on Feb 24, 06:57 PM 2015
Hi ILB,
         I did some testing last night it won 12 of 23 shoes but on most of these shoes I only got 4 or more bets per shoe.If you get a shoe with very few bets and you are still down carry the negative balance into the next shoe so the progression has a chance to help you out.If after the shoe you are up, start over fresh.Yes, I use the Penthouse progression but if you have something else in mind go for it.Check GLC, the man on progressions.I should note playing a six deck easy baccarat so if it was 8 deck there will be more bets.Good Luck

Where I play they use 8 decks. I think GLC liked PH progression.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: ilikebaccarat on Feb 25, 11:03 AM 2015
dutchy,

what if you have this.

BB
PPPP
B

This is no good right? I mean the 1st 2 PP's are LL, the next 2 are WW, then the switch to B, would be a winner, but like you said, it must be the 1st two WW's?
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: Dutchy on Feb 26, 06:35 PM 2015
Hello ILB,
             Mark the decisions vertically and it should make things easier for you.I"LL do your previous post.
                     
                                                                          B
                                                                          B
                                                                          P-L
                                                                          p-L
                                                                          p-w
                                                                          p-w(ILB,two ww- your trigger to bet against two back)
                                                                          B-L(you win!)(hope that helps) :thumbsup:
                                         
                                                         
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: ilikebaccarat on Feb 26, 07:44 PM 2015
ty, vertically does help!
Title: Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
Post by: shiva1989 on Sep 11, 10:41 AM 2021
Dutchy are you still winning with it