Do we actually need long term winning methods to beat roulett?

[iggiv]

Speed u keep attacking other people personally rather than their opinions.


Steve, is it right to call someone a "casino promoter" just because he has a "wrong" point of view?

[Turner]

Speed u keep attacking other people personally rather than their opinions.


Steve, is it right to call someone a "casino promoter" just because he has a "wrong" point of view?

Speed,
Do u intend to attack or u don't, u still do attack. As before. And i have to warn u again against labeling your  opponents like that. Remember that your "comrade-in-arms" was banned from here  for such remarks.

Everybody has right to express his or her opinion without being labeled like that. Unless there is real prove of this.

John has never promoted any casino here. And 2nd thing --John unlike most of the guys here
really proved he is capable to win (much more than he lost)   for substantial periods of time.

john had a personal swipe at Speed....does he get a public warning too Iggiv...or are you being biased.
Infact, you havnt posted for weeks. Do you just sit there waiting for speed to post? You are like a coiled spring where Speed is concerned.

[iggiv]

i did not read the forum for some time, Turner. And i don't have any responsibility before u to
read or not to read this forum. Your are not the owner here. And it was not u who asked me to be a Mod here. 
I just see what i see. I just say what i think is right.  If i see Speed discuss normal roulette stuff i have nothing against him. But he does tend to make it personal from time to time. And i saw it more than one time. If it was not speed but your or John Legend who accused someone to be a casino promoter i would say the same thing to him or u.

Now -- about JL -- i did not see him attacking anyone, but i saw him to be attacked and defending himself many times. And those attacks did include Speed's.

Now when someone accuses someone in those forums about being a casino promoter he would better give some hard evidence of this or just shut up. That's what i think as a Mod, and that's something of a kind what Steve told before. There is nothing new about it.

Now i can see that Steve agrees with Speed on his roulette views, that's fine with me. But that does not give Speed any right to make attacks on other members like he did now. But he always gets away with that somehow. Even that his fellow MOP was banned for such things.

i think it is unfair for anyone to get away with things like that. Not because i dislike Speed, but rather because i think it is unfair. I say what i think is RIGHT and i don't care who attacks who.
If i saw someone attacking speed and accusing him for being a casino promoter i would react the same way. Neither him or John or u or me are casino promoters here.

Casino promoters usually have affiliate links to certain casino on their websites. That's how it works usually. When Speed will show us that JL gave here some links to a website which has affiliate  links to casinos then he may be right. But it did not happen so far.

if JL says something u or me or speed does not like it does not give anybody any right to accuse him of such things.

it is beyond me how people around can't see that those things said by speed ( and before that by MOP) are extremely unfair and insulting...

[iggiv]

I said before and i will say it again. JL may be wrong (though he did show a hard evidence he wins with his methods!), but at least i can say he is truthful in his views. He does not intend to trick someone into something, he is not a scammer (as he was accused by some here). So for his sincere desire to share and show what he knows (or he thinks he knows) -- he gets crap here consistently. From characters like speed.

Now -- let's say there is another guy here who knows a trick or two. Why would he want now to share anything on this forum? if he gets instead of "thanx" what JL got?

I will tell u one thing Turner. I know for sure there are some guys in this forum who could help u and others for example. But they won't. Why? because of "JL-speed" precedent and many likewise. Because who needs to get a crap for trying to be good with others? Nobody.

Rather they will help and share things individually with someone who they think they can trust and who will look at least a nice and friendly person.

that's what i think.

[Turner]

i did not read the forum for some time, Turner. And i don't have any responsibility before u to
read or not to read this forum. Your are not the owner here. And it was not u who asked me to be a Mod here. 
I just see what i see. I just say what i think is right.  If i see Speed discuss normal roulette stuff i have nothing against him. But he does tend to make it personal from time to time. And i saw it more than one time. If it was not speed but your or John Legend who accused someone to be a casino promoter i would say the same thing to him or u.

Now -- about JL -- i did not see him attacking anyone, but i saw him to be attacked and defending himself many times. And those attacks did include Speed's.

Now when someone accuses someone in those forums about being a casino promoter he would better give some hard evidence of this or just shut up. That's what i think as a Mod, and that's something of a kind what Steve told before. There is nothing new about it.

Now i can see that Steve agrees with Speed on his roulette views, that's fine with me. But that does not give Speed any right to make attacks on other members like he did now. But he always gets away with that somehow. Even that his fellow MOP was banned for such things.

i think it is unfair for anyone to get away with things like that. Not because i dislike Speed, but rather because i think it is unfair. I say what i think is RIGHT and i don't care who attacks who.
If i saw someone attacking speed and accusing him for being a casino promoter i would react the same way. Neither him or John or u or me are casino promoters here.

Casino promoters usually have affiliate links to certain casino on their websites. That's how it works usually. When Speed will show us that JL gave here some links to a website which has affiliate  links to casinos then he may be right. But it did not happen so far.

if JL says something u or me or speed does not like it does not give anybody any right to accuse him of such things.

it is beyond me how people around can't see that those things said by speed ( and before that by MOP) are extremely unfair and insulting...

Mod or not Iggiv, I can disagree with you, unless this is a police state.

Turner

[Amazin]

Speed is 100% correct.

If 10000 players all played short term system that won most of the time still means overall combined they have lost. Anyone who thinks a winning system only needs to win shortterm has little experience or knowledge

Are you saying that we need a system that can survive infinite spins otherwise nobody can profit from roulette in the long run?   If that's the case, then nobody is winning in roulette and we are all wasting our time here. Is that what you're implying?

[iggiv]

Turner,yes u can disagree, i don't mind. But i don't have to agree with u either while trying to keep this forum clean. I am doing what i think is right. There was one guy here who decided to kick me out of mods and created a poll. Actually i created it for him. Is iggiv OK or not as a mod. the majority like 70-80% said iggiv is OK.

i dont really NEED to be a mod here. Actually i am not learning from here anymore as in the beginning.
But somehow i got sentiments for this forum. That's why i am a mod and that's why i try to
stop mutual attacking and insults to each other. I want to keep this forum clean.

and that's a lie (or weird mistake) that most of the guys here are casino promoters.
Casino promoters DONT WORK FOR FREE. they have their affiliate links on their websites and they don't waste their time on forums sharing methods like that.

this Speed is weird. I have nothing against his views on roulette (though for what i know --what he says  has very little practical value for playing roulette). But when he starts with other forum members for their "wrong" views on roulette like that -- it is beyond me what that has to do with real  roulette winning...

[Steve]

Amazin I am saying 10000 players all using a no-fail short term system means the winners think they have the hg, the losers see reality, and the people that see both sides see that the winners have deluded themselves into thinking they have the hg.

10000 players all playing short term is an overall loss. Do u think all short term players will be winners?.. See the bigger picture.

Any system that requires short term play is a losing system. I will explain more Monday but The forums see it's rubbish all the time and most people don't learn from it.

[speed]

i did not read the forum for some time, Turner. And i don't have any responsibility before u to
read or not to read this forum. Your are not the owner here. And it was not u who asked me to be a Mod here. 
I just see what i see. I just say what i think is right.  If i see Speed discuss normal roulette stuff i have nothing against him. But he does tend to make it personal from time to time. And i saw it more than one time. If it was not speed but your or John Legend who accused someone to be a casino promoter i would say the same thing to him or u.

Now -- about JL -- i did not see him attacking anyone, but i saw him to be attacked and defending himself many times. And those attacks did include Speed's.

Now when someone accuses someone in those forums about being a casino promoter he would better give some hard evidence of this or just shut up. That's what i think as a Mod, and that's something of a kind what Steve told before. There is nothing new about it.

Now i can see that Steve agrees with Speed on his roulette views, that's fine with me. But that does not give Speed any right to make attacks on other members like he did now. But he always gets away with that somehow. Even that his fellow MOP was banned for such things.

i think it is unfair for anyone to get away with things like that. Not because i dislike Speed, but rather because i think it is unfair. I say what i think is RIGHT and i don't care who attacks who.
If i saw someone attacking speed and accusing him for being a casino promoter i would react the same way. Neither him or John or u or me are casino promoters here.

Casino promoters usually have affiliate links to certain casino on their websites. That's how it works usually. When Speed will show us that JL gave here some links to a website which has affiliate  links to casinos then he may be right. But it did not happen so far.

if JL says something u or me or speed does not like it does not give anybody any right to accuse him of such things.

it is beyond me how people around can't see that those things said by speed ( and before that by MOP) are extremely unfair and insulting...

...just notice  that u mentioned me 10 times in one post, it tells how much you are obsessed with me, I suggest you write a book about me 

[Steve]

Speed just smells strong bs, and sees naivity

[iggiv]

Speed looks to me that u want some Herostratic fame. But i am not obsessed with u.
I am obsessed with this forum to keep it clean from scandalous characters like u. If i mentioned u many times, that's because u r a good example of a troublemaker in this forum in my opinion.

but it's up to Steve. If it it's OK with him that someone will accuse this forum of being a forum of casino promoters, then it's fine with me. Life can be unfair, but it won't disturb me personally in any way.

Pity, that's it. I have been a first member of this forum (just after Vic himself), i remember well how this forum started and how easily it got rid of unfriendly characters like u.

[Johnlegend]

Speed looks to me that u want some Herostratic fame. But i am not obsessed with u.
I am obsessed with this forum to keep it clean from scandalous characters like u. If i mentioned u many times, that's because u r a good example of a troublemaker in this forum in my opinion.

but it's up to Steve. If it it's OK with him that someone will accuse this forum of being a forum of casino promoters, then it's fine with me. Life can be unfair, but it won't disturb me personally in any way.

Pity, that's it. I have been a first member of this forum (just after Vic himself), i remember well how this forum started and how easily it got rid of unfriendly characters like u.

Iggiv I appologize to speed if I have addressed him in an offensive manner. At the end of the next three years Superman will summarize my progress on an uncheatable format. The way I think and play will be proven to work beyond doubt. And I will have nothing more to say. Actions speak louder than words.

Even Steve can be wrong, let's not forget that. 

[Robeenhuut]

Iggiv I appologize to speed if I have addressed him in an offensive manner. At the end of the next three years Superman will summarize my progress on an uncheatable format. The way I think and play will be proven to work beyond doubt. And I will have nothing more to say. Actions speak louder than words.

Even Steve can be wrong, let's not forget that.

John

Numbers speak louder than words. And what is an uncheatable format in your opinion?

[Robeenhuut]

Are you saying that we need a system that can survive infinite spins otherwise nobody can profit from roulette in the long run?   If that's the case, then nobody is winning in roulette and we are all wasting our time here. Is that what you're implying?

Steve and Speed are both right. But you have to connect the dots on your own. Nobody can really help you with that.

[iggiv]

all this becomes really ridiculous and reminds me about dark age times when big brains were arguing how many angels or devils can get a room on a needle point. "This is wrong and this is right".
There is no right or wrong, there are some people which manage to make money on roulette consistently and there are those who don't. So at the end of the day those who do --are right.
Those who don't are wrong. And especially those are wrong who accuse another side of some bad intentions with no basis of their accusations.

That's what for me is "right or wrong".

some guys here forget what they are here for. They came here to find ways to defeat roulette, but instead they want to prove that they are "right". Or that they are smart, and the opponent is dumb. Or a lier, or something of a kind. and this is goin on for hours -- "proves", bold statements,
and virtual hitting one's own chest.

which team is right and which team is wrong here

The Haka - New Zealand Vs Tonga