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[roulettefan]

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it don't work
it would have work if i have playing Hit and run of course !!!

[ophis]

You can still get some good runs with it... same setting as above.

BetVoyager.
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[Steve]

yes but those results are easily achievable once in a while if you must bet on red and nothing else. my point is it is still not overcoming the house edge. A winning system MUST increase accuracy of predictions. I say it all the time.

hit and run is not a valid strategy either. if you hit and run 100 times, would you still be up?

[rolf-harris]

I think its about time this Hit and Run idea was kicked into touch by this forum.
People are gonna lose some serious money in the belief that Hit and Run can lessen the house advantage.
And also I think JL should pack in trying to  delude folk that it is viable.
I know JL has some kind of cult following but its time people should look closely at the Emporer's Clothes and see it for what it is.

[Steve]

Yes Rolf, exactly. But we have been here before, many times. That's why I created :.genuinewinner.com/truth/ to help people understand.

But people like JL mislead people, and I'm not saying it is intentional. Many people here do it to each other every day. But people allow themselves to be deceived so it is not one-sided.

I keep saying it so many times: the only way to beat roulette is by increasing the accuracy of predictions.

HOW?... well what determines where the ball will land?

Voodoo?... RBRBRBBBBBRRRR?.... physics?

[iggiv]

heople won't lose more money with hit-n-run. Hit-n-run is harmless in that sense. At least it does not make things worse. Staying at the table for too long -- that's what makes people lose lots of money. Losing,  then wanting to get it back and losing even more. Or winning and losing it back. With hit-n-run even if u lose, u leave. Anyway hit-n-run is working together with money management. It  also includes discipline.   

Interesting things -- some people which are against it in the forum, in reality play just this way, they just hate these words.

Maybe some had their car damaged by hit-n-run, so this is hate is coming from.

[speed]

it would have work if i have playing Hit and run of course !!!

100%

Hit and run only works in the guerrilla war.

ophis with this picture definitely showed as H.G   

I'm  starting to be tired with this forum. 

[Robeenhuut]

You can still get some good runs with it... same setting as above.

BetVoyager.
RealMoney spins.
Single Zero.

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So Ophis play this HAR. If you picked spins 600-800, 1200-1400 and 1600-1800 for a few games instead of a continuous play... One game averages about 60-80 spins so you get around 3 games each time. You would end in a negative territory. 

[Turner]

I play HAP. Hit and pi.ss. If im desperate for a pi.ss in the casino I wont go unless i have reached a new high.
Turner

[Kattila]

HAR = Luck , we never know what s next....: ....streak   ..... or LLL.... streak...
Some may have luck and some not.........
Anyway all of us play HAR no matter if is for one spin, or 10 spins , 200 spins, 400 spins,
or  1 000 spins... etc... it s still HAR  ( in comparation with 1 000 000 spins ..or more ...).
This two will be always in *war*  HAR and  LR (long run) in any roulette  forum....
So .... it s good to stay less time on the table with any system/method  and try to catch
the winning streak, but at the same time it s good to test any system/method to see how
will act in long run.


cheers

[ausguy]

My post here is to mainly sort some of the facts from the fiction of many views on HIT & RUN.

Last week I played "HIT & RUN" (Pattern 4 =P4) at my local casino here in Sydney OZ.

The concepts of P4 & PB are essentially the same. The main difference being the spin separation of PB (50 - 60 spins on average as per JL) until you arrive at the final unique bet triggers.

Just to refresh your memories P4 played as per JLs original way has an 8 spin separation between the trigger spin & the bet spin. All bets are made on HIGH/LOW as OPPOSITES to the triggers.
I'm relating this to my bet sheet which moves down the page in ordered bet lines. (Line 1. is the 1st trigger & line 10. is the 1st bet)   There are 3 trigger spins for 3 in turn bet spins.
Zero on any of the triggers was played by me as a NIL BET SPIN, so some bets only had 2 bet levels.

Table rates were $5 min. for any inside number with $25 min. to $1,000 max. on the outside 1 : 1
choices. There are no less expensive live chip tables at this casino. The progression was as per JL original units @ 1, 2, 4 = 7 units.
So my table bank chip outlay was $25, $50 & $100 = $175. I actually had x7 - $175 table banks = $1,225 BR. Fortunately I only needed 2 table banks on the day.

I played on a total 12 live dealer same value tables using the marquee numbers for the triggers and to speed up the betting. Actually there was 14 tables available but 2 had blank screen marquees so I couldn't use those due to lack of trigger numbers.
The more tables operating the better to allow a fresh set of spins to be available as you "cycle" through the available tables. That is from the 12th table you then return back to your 1st played table.

For casinos with less available tables the game would be a lot slower as you wait for a fresh set of marquee numbers.

Spin to spin times vary in relation to players at each table. It ebbs and flows.

The marquees have 14 spins displayed. The casino has standardised all tables with Cammergh wheels and electronics.
I would count up from the bottom number 6 spins (1st trigger) and place my 1st opposite bet on H/L.  It was important to get the 1st bet placed as any prior spin changes the triggers.

With the 1st bet placed then the remaining numbers were filled in & so the 2nd & 3rd bets were on standby should they be required.

So how did I go ?  Overall it was a winner. I played "46" tables over 2hrs & 42min.  I had 2 losing tables = all 3 bets lost = 7 x 2 = 14 units. On any loss it takes 7 wins to recover.
A win at any table equates to +1 unit. So 46 - 14 = 32 units won. 32 x $25 = $800 profit.
I lost on the 1st table ("oh shiitte I thought, here we go down the mine shaft.") then the next table loss was at the 39th sequence, so my 1st fears had well & truely passed by then.

Normally I would have played on but on this day I had a low blood pressure event. I'm retired and I ain't young no more so things like this come around from time to time.
Due to this I went home. Rest & revised medication has me going ok once more. I will be returning to the "battle front" soon.

OBSERVATIONS and ANALYSIS ON HIT & RUN.

1. It's not possible to test multi table H & R properly unless you have the time of every spin on every table. Where in the world do we have that information, say for 10 to 20 same value tables?
As an example off my P4 bet sheets this is what I mean. Table 811 arrive 3 :12pm.1st bet placed 3 : 13pm wins = hit & run. Next table 808 arrive 3 :15pm. 1st bet loses, 2nd bet wins, 3 :20pm & again hit & run to table 509 arrive 3:21pm and so we repeat the process.

2. As opposites are being bet, a player could avoid a table that is exibiting a particular streak.
I've seen runs of all even chances go off the 14 number marquee. A table last week had 16 high numbers back to back. I came back to that table later after fluctuations returned.
I even won on that table visit.  Yes a table can turn at any time but at least you can avoid an obvious situation.

3. The bet sheets consume a lot of non used bet space. Some 2/3 of lines are taken up with the separation spins. The upshot of that is that plenty of bet sheets are needed with only 6 tables per A4 page. My sheets were premade (photo copied off a master sheet). It could be viewed that the separation zones are unnecessary? I found that looking for a varied marquee pattern was effective & avoided marquees that were streaking, in my case H or L.
Should I play P4 again I will be removing the seperation zones from my bet sheets. This can only help to speed up play and ease the time and mental energy by reducing the need to record a lot of spin numbers. Maybe a virtual test is in order?

4. On checking the spin results i.e. the bets with the JL "separation zone" vs just taking the next spin after the 3 triggers ( = trigger line 1 makes 1st opposite bet at line 4) gave wins at all tables.
Betting that way would have given me 46 units X $25 = $1,150 profit some $350 more than the $800 I did get (still ok for less than 3 hours of"work"). 

5. Time over earnings. Pattern Breaker is a very poor earner when time is factored in. Pattern 4
is reasonable but both methods are intensive with regard to number recording and general play.
I find I tire quickly when you have to keep mentally alert with all the nunbers filling your head as well as physically placing the bets, often amongst the jostling sea of "chip desperates."
It would work better with a 2 person team. 1 doing the numbers and the other placing the bets.
Just place twice the unit size bets for each to equally reap any profit. 

6. Looking at alternatives I've been testing even chance betting on Live dealer Rapid Roulette. Exact same wheel as the chip tables but with touch screen terminals and comfortable seating, for those people not familiar with this game. The spin rate is fractionally less than 1 spin per minute, maybe 62 - 64 spins per hour.
The game on outside 1 : 1 bets has a $10 min. to $1,000 bet range limit.
My test involved betting H/L opposite to the last spin. I got 144 numbers from a friendly Rapid Roulette  player on my casino visit last week. I used basic Marty for my tests.
Progessions being $10, $20, $40, $80, $160, $320 & $640. The highest level reached was L4 & $80.

The test ended with a book profit of +$650. The highest win/profit was the previous line at +$660.

7. So to compare live play apples with apples. Rapid Roulette wins easily with 65 units gained in 2 1/2 hrs of play. Also significant is the far less need for number matching. A significant factor if you like to play for many hours.
In 2nd place we have P4 winning 32 units in 2 hrs 42 min.
In a distant 3rd is Pattern Breaker with at best 1 unit per hour and being generous lets say 3 units in 2 1/2 hours. So unless the PB unit size is fairly large the viability of that game is marginal at best.

8. For my next casino visit I will be betting on Rapid Roulette in the expectation that real $$$ betting will mirror my recent testing.

Regards, Ausguy.