Okay this is FCUKING breaking news.
I've done it, i've found the bet and its flatbet as well.
The only problem is you're going to have to look for it in reply 1406 and 1417 of KTF.
It's staring you in the face.
Ok spill it
Wouldn't it be goood! :thumbsup:
Just did a quick test on 25vnumbers for three spins ...that works but its 7 numbers over a flatbet
So if we are talking the KTF thread, in post 1413 is it nr 1 or nr 3 you are talking about?
- Tuddilue
It clearly says replies 1406....1417
I expect it to be bet last 12 numbers that didn't show.
He'll, explain more, I think.
I hope so Next year
Quote from: NextYear on Dec 30, 06:33 AM 2016
I expect it to be bet last 12 numbers that didn't show.
He'll, explain more, I think.
Yes nextyear you're on the right track.
I take it you are looking in the document
Quote from: bigmoney on Dec 30, 06:28 AM 2016
It clearly says replies 1406....1417
Yes I agree. But 1406 is referring to the average document.
The 1417 is this post:
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 07, 04:11 AM 2016
Tuddilue and Nextyear
So from the early figures of the 39 games, we can see that it's better to flatbet all spins against 1st15 or 40 spins.
The surprise for me is the flat bet after 25,0x's
So in 1417 notto is talking about nr 1 and nr 3 in my post:
Quote from: tuddilue on Dec 06, 03:25 PM 2016
Ok so you play these ones:
1. for 15,0x's spins 11-40 -> Until you have 15 0x hit
2. 0x's by 40th spin, all spins -> All 0x up to spin 40th
3. after the 25th 0x has hit -> Starts play 0x after 25th 0x has hit.
...
So because of that I asked which one is it? Nr 1 or Nr 3...
So bigmoney the referring part is clear. But not what is referring in them. So that is my question.
But I see that NextYear already found it, so will be interesting to see Nottos explanation.
- Tuddilue
i think notto run away with the holy one.... :'(
Quote from: maestro on Dec 30, 08:33 AM 2016
i think notto run away with the holy one.... :'(
If he found it I would be glad for him. Because so much work he has put in the roulette it is impressive!
- Tuddilue
so do i...i hope he has it and make milions...so he can stop work on buildings
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 30, 05:28 AM 2016
Okay this is FCUKING breaking news.
I've done it, i've found the bet and its flatbet as well.
The only problem is you're going to have to look for it in reply 1406 and 1417 of KTF.
It's staring you in the face.
Not really breaking news. There's always some newbie who gets on here and talks
about something unbelievable but doesn't say what it is.
The unique part is now it's happening with regulars.
Not to mention it seems like rocket science to find a thread without a link.
come on mogul
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.1410
correct me if i am wrong KTF peoples
but it seems to me
that Notto
is saying
take the 1st 15 unique numbers
then bet against them
flat bet
22 number bet
Throw me a freakinnnnn bone here was I right
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Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 30, 06:34 PM 2016
come on mogul
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.1410
Sorry.
Really. I can't find stuff.
When are you and I gonna meet in the middle? Foxwoods?
Foxwoods is for the rich people
You can find me at MOHEGAN
Thought they were the same. Been decades since I've been down there.
My drinkin' days. 15+ years.
Lower limits at Mohegan?
2 1/2 hour ride for me.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 30, 06:35 PM 2016
correct me if i am wrong KTF peoples
but it seems to me
that Notto
is saying
take the 1st 15 unique numbers
then bet against them
flat bet
22 number bet
My gut feel is bet 25 numbers to repeat ...bet them three time
Quote from: bigmoney on Dec 30, 11:51 PM 2016
My gut feel is bet 25 numbers to repeat ...bet them three time
No
You aint going to believe it.
So this will not be everyone’s HG.
Basically this flat bet is shown using the 300 games posted in KTF reply 1406.
What the document consist of is 300 televised games using airball. Because of different lengths of air time, we do not get the same amount of spins, so of the 300 games we get non-hits 11-23 having all 300 games, but the 24th non-hit has only 299 games, with the other non-hit having smaller game values, but this is no problem to show you how this flat bet wins.
Now I was going over the total games which up to today are 362 games. What I was doing was said to Tuddilue, I was flat betting the 1st 15 non-hits for the game of the day, if they came before spin 40 or at spin 40, stop, and hoped to see that betting the 1st 15 would make a profit, but sadly it does not.
Next is to flat bet all remaining non-hit from spin11 for all spins of that days game, now this fluctuated up/down but to my surprise it is in plus.
Now the next to try is, I thought flat bet the 12 remaining non-hit and wow profit, more profit for betting just the 12 remaining non-hit than betting all non-hit from spin 11.
This is a slow process to me as not sufficient in coding and a lot is done one game at a time. Then the light bulb lit. In column A in the document is a cell showing the total spins for the 300 games, so drag across, 300 games has produced 15’390 spins.
The 300 games covers non-hit 11-23, but non-hit 24 has only 299 games and as the airtime of the game varies so do the games to the higher non-hit, meaning sometimes we do not get to get past the 23rd non-hit.
Well we don’t want to flat bet every spin, do we?
So how do we know the flat bet wins? Let’s look to non-hit 26. For the 26th non-hit to win we would be betting 12 units as the 25th has hit.
Now we take the 26ths total spins value 889, and times by the value 12 units = 10668. So as you’ve flat bet every spin 889 in total, it means you win all 291 games, 291*36= 10476. So a minus of 192 units.
I’ll let you do the next few; I’ve done from 26th non-hit to 32nd non-hit and show +4319 from the 300 individual games using £1 units.
So to some this will be of little use, but it is using the flat bet and winning and if you’ve a big enough bankroll then what would £5 units be for just the 1 game a day so far?
Hi , i follow KTF theard for long time...
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Here are the games from the last page of Mortagon at dragonara.
I've used Pri's tester.
Flat betting the last 9 non-hit till spin 110, just scroll down non-count
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Oh yeah and KTF wins on all as well :thumbsup:
If you look in the 300 document, you'll see 10,11,12th non-hit have max of 5 spins to hit.
Well that works the other end of the scale surely.
19/6/16, 10th has hit and if we were to be betting the remaining 10 non-hit at the other end should we not win, when here the 10 that have hit repeat 4 times.
It just so happens when the 27th came, one of the 10 remaining came, 2 spins later another of the 9 remaining came, then again, then the 31st came.
So should we look at the beginning as well? suppose not as the last 9non-hit get cheaper as they hit.
We need to find away to win with the average of 30.5 non-hits hitting in 60 spins.
Could go on more but you just need to work with the trot, make some units, move on, make some more
In 2017 we'll make it or break it ;D
Best wishes!
Slightly confused
You wait until you have 12 numbers that have not been hit?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 31, 11:32 AM 2016
Slightly confused
You wait until you have 12 numbers that have not been hit?
There's your bone RG.
(You probably prefer one with some meat on it)
Ghost
If you was going to use this flat bet method, you'd be waiting untill theres only 9 of the 37 remaining, then commence to flatbet, looking for a point to leave with profit.
Mortagons games posted does not win every game, but overall the 7 games are in profit.
So if you have a tracking sheet you could have 3 games started on my paper recorder, Get 10 spins carry on with that game and then start collecting another 10 spins
Understood
And we are betting the 9 non hits correct
Yes the last 9 of the 37 numbers when you start
Got it
Will take a look after New Years
I would plan on stopping at profit and restarting
I tried quickly , 10 sessions BV nozero RNG
I play when is 9 unhit numbers for 4 spins. End when I'm on profit or after 4 Loses. It does not look so good, I finished in the red. This attempt is very short, but rather will be hard to achieve some sort of advantage using rng.
Try the method on roulette and see how it fairs
So I understand the RNG is not a real roulette, but I do not understand why playing the last 9 sleepers flat bet should have adventyge over any other bet selection. Mayby Im wrong, but why.
Quote from: ozon on Dec 31, 03:31 PM 2016I play when is 9 unhit numbers for 4 spins.
no, you flatbet till it wins, then flatbet the 8 till hit, then 7 non-hit till they hit.
Look at mortagon spins, they were all flatbet from 9 non-hit, till spin 110, as you can see at the bottom of every image, some dont win, but overal they are making a profit its reply 27
Quote from: ozon on Dec 31, 03:41 PM 2016
So I understand the RNG is not a real roulette, but I do not understand why playing the last 9 sleepers flat bet should have adventyge over any other bet selection. Mayby Im wrong, but why.
have you looked at the document in ktf, the figures are there for you to look at
see your here again mogul you old top spender
I could type on here till my fingers bleed, the experts say only flat bet will work, well so far this works, i don't suppose it will work with a bot just spinning consistently.
The data showing this flatbet is winning is from just 1 game per day, so there's a break between games. Peeps who play at B+M would never have enough spins in the time they are there, but the 300 document shows it's winning
Try it on steves roulette game 30 seconds you must be able to put 9 units on, till it wins, then reduce to 8 then 7.
I'm on there playing devil street as you can get the units on, reset an old user name, so far +360in 3 small games
Perfect for airball
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 31, 02:43 PM 2016I would plan on stopping at profit and restarting
Mort's #'s for 1.1.17
You'd be on the next game with profit RG. Either on KTF or just betting the last 9 non-hit of the starting 37
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Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 30, 06:35 PM 2016#
I have neen backtesting this strategy and went to the casino tonight and was up $325 in 45 mins playing 2 rapid roulette wheels ..
Quote from: bigmoney on Jan 01, 05:22 AM 2017
I have neen backtesting this strategy and went to the casino tonight and was up $325 in 45 mins playing 2 rapid roulette wheels ..
using the 15 numbers that appeared ...
And betting on the 22 unhit numbers
Well that sounds like KTF :thumbsup:
Thank you nottohammer for sharing this strategy
Bigmoney
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 31, 03:53 PM 2016
see your here again mogul you old top spender
What do you mean?
OK. Based on reply 45 I took zumma page 146 and tried.
I'm a little confused by the setup. "unhit 9 of last 37".
Well I tracked 37, but had more than 9 left over.
I did get immediate hits on the unhit numbers.
How do I come up with the actual 9 numbers?
And I don't understand what is going on in the test. Eventually
the list is showing pretty much EVERY spin as a hit.
Don't get that.
Not at end of a cycle mogul
If that was the case the wait would be an eternity. If you track 37 very rarely would 9 be left
Cross off numbers as they come
I'd check history of last 12 or whatever it is to speed it up
When 9 numbers remains flat bet them
On a hit cross off that number and flat bet the 8
So on
Yeah. Tried it again. I was close.
What I found is that I hit 2-3 numbers fairly quick and then
it dropped off.
Not even sure what I'm looking at with some of the notto tests
where almost every one is a hit.
So whats the staking plan for nine numbers and whats the max number of bets before u stop betting one bet ?
Me i still like crossing off 15 and betting the 22 that comes out
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 01, 06:52 PM 2017
OK. Based on reply 45 I took zumma page 146 and tried.
I'm a little confused by the setup. "unhit 9 of last 37". I now see how Winkel can get so frustratedit means when you have 28 of the 37 starting numbers been hit, you now flatbet the remaining 9 non-hit of the starting 37
Well I tracked 37, but had more than 9 left over.
I did get immediate hits on the unhit numbers.
How do I come up with the actual 9 numbers? read the blue line
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 01, 06:54 PM 2017
And I don't understand what is going on in the test. Eventually
the list is showing pretty much EVERY spin as a hit. now i'm a little confused
Don't get that.
Quote from: bigmoney on Jan 02, 04:15 AM 2017
So whats the staking plan for nine numbers and whats the max number of bets before u stop betting one bet ?
an example will be posted soon on todays numbers from Jackpot247
Quote from: bigmoney on Jan 02, 04:25 AM 2017
Me i still like crossing off 15 and betting the 22 that comes out
KTF is just betting non-hits starting with the 37 that have not hit.KTF starts after 10 spins, from testing it's usually to bet at spin 11 with the remaining 28 that have not hit.
So you are just starting later, betting the 22 non-hit that have not come,Hope this helps Mogul,Are you betting with +1/-1?
1st game of 2017 for jackpot. KTF off to a flyer +68. Flatbet remaining 9 non-hit at spin 55, 2 spins win +18. Now like RG said in profit so stop? or do you carry on? if yes, another win, 2 spins later,+38.
So do you stop? if you have to carry on because of the greedy gambler in you/us, next 5 spins is 7*5=35 so now only +3. What if you bet and it comes in, 42 out, return 36, so minus 6 on the bet, but you'd still be +32.
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23rd spin 15th non-hit, so the 22 non-hit won the next bet :thumbsup:
Is there a stoploss? Or just flatbet till all 37 numbers have hit?
Quote from: RayManZ on Jan 02, 08:03 AM 2017
Is there a stoploss? Or just flatbet till all 37 numbers have hit?
Hi Ray
As the tester only goes to 110 spins not likely to see all 37 hit.
All i'm showing here is how just flat betting the last 9 non-hits, is making a profit. I found 9 non-hit better than waiting for the last 12 non-hit, from the 300 average document. The 400 doc is about a month away and we can then see if the extra 100 games has made a profit, or eaten into the profit shown in the 300.
I like RG's contribution of as soon as in profit, take it and start again. You would think profit early in the bet could be lost if you carry on,so RG's statement is correct to me.
Bellagio in Ignatus topic said +1,stop, so it seems take the 1st profit. :thumbsup:
This is the 1/1/17 posted early in the topic.
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the 1732 is the cost of bets upto the 31/12/16 and the return is 1872, +140, so the outlay is 293, return is 216 for flatbet. now the totals show profit has dropped to +63
Todays game with mort's numbers, profit is back to +136
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Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 02, 05:34 AM 2017
Yes notto, I think I kind of understood it and RG was kind enough to confirm it.
So I tracked numbers til I had the 9 unhit. And as my more recent post
(reply # 54) I tracked the 9 numbers and got maybe 3 hits pretty quick,
and then it fell off.
But mainly, not sure what I'm looking at in your tests where you get nearly
every spin a hit!!!!
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 02, 11:19 AM 2017I tracked the 9 numbers and got maybe 3 hits pretty quick,
So flat betting the 9 remaining wins, then you bet the remaining 8 with flatbet and i presume it won and maybe betting for the remaining 7 flat won with profit from the three, So you need to find your stop point.
All i'm showing with Mort's numbers is flat bet which every expert tells us we must use, is winning.
The 300 average document shows flat betting the last remaining 9 non-hit, is winning.
How/when you stop you'll have to find for yourself.
Yesterday using Morts numbers the profit dropped, but if you look to the post above, today it is now just 4 units short of the previous high, good luck.
Notto,
Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense.
And as I look at your examples they make a bit more sense.
Reply 61 shows you tracking til spin 55 til you play this?
What I don't understand is all the betting and bankroll stuff leading
up to it. It has nothing to do with this and blew me out of the water.
Reply 45 is another example of this. No idea what you're doing and unlike reply 61,
it's just a running stream of playing. I don't get it.
So I just ran pg 222 from zumma. When I got my 9 numbers,
3 hits seem typical in the near term.
So how do you generate a profit from this, as you're losing chips
in the losses that add up?
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 02, 01:38 PM 2017
Notto,
Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense.
And as I look at your examples they make a bit more sense.
Reply 61 shows you tracking til spin 55 til you play this?
What I don't understand is all the betting and bankroll stuff leading
up to it. It has nothing to do with this and blew me out of the water. Ah i see, What is posted is Priyanks tester for KTF, i use it to show how the non-hit have come and whether KTF made the 50/+50, so you can see in column Non-hit count when the remaining 9 non-hit are left
Reply 45 is another example of this. No idea what you're doing and unlike reply 61,
it's just a running stream of playing. I don't get it.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 02, 01:46 PM 2017So how do you generate a profit from this, as you're losing chips
in the losses that add up?
When the last remaining 9 non-hit show, you flatbet 9 units, if it wins on the 1st attempt, would you keep going or take the 27 units.
Two examples have been shown and winning, with the flatbet that all the experts say must be used and will probably lose.
You can find the 300 document in KTF post 1400 something and if you look further back theres the 200 game document, check the 200 game on remaining 9 non-hit, then do the same for the 300, you'll see if theres a gain in profit.
Only just started posting Morts games, but from 9 games its +136 units thats a £1 unit, make it 5 or 10 unit then you'll be interested
I type in and post replies. And they vanish. Don't show up!!!!!!!!
WHY??????????????????????????
All my typing gone!!!!
Anyway, I did page 226 from zumma. Took exactly 60 spins
to get the numbers.
Abbreviated results (lost post where I typed it all in).
9 numbers were 7,12,13,19,20,25,26,35,00.
You can look and see the hits on page 227.
3 hits in the first few spins left a profit of 36 unit.
Less than 10 spins.
OK. This time page 240 in zumma. Took 61 spins to get
9 unhit.
The numbers are 1,3,9,10,13,17,24,25,33.
From page 241 after the first number 20.
15
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35
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0
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10 Hit!
9 HIT!
23
4
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8
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25 HIT
19
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30
18
2 hits in 11 spins. Not as good.
About 100 units bet and 70 returned.
I notice a lot more hits from close numbers.
Crazy amounts.
Define close numbers, please
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 02, 05:44 PM 2017
Define close numbers, please
While I'm recording numbers to disqualify them to get the 9 that are left,
it's a treasure trove of repeats. Close being close to the ones I'm recording.
Not far back. Like 20 or 30 spins.
Mort's #'s today
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So here is 110 spins from todays numbers.
KTF +63 spin # 37, now we look further down to where the remaining 9 non-hit start spin #69
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As there was more spins, did another set on the 110 spin tester, as you can see KTF +50 spin #15, the remaining 9 non-hit start spin #53.
You can see profit has grown since we started
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Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 03, 03:35 AM 2017
As there was more spins, did another set on the 110 spin tester, as you can see KTF +50 spin #15, the remaining 9 non-hit start spin #53.
You can see profit has grown since we started
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Yes the progression are really deep in the end. But still the positive bankroll is impressive.
Have you dared to play on the non-hits all the 110 spins sometime?
- Tuddilue
Thinking out loud
Only because I've seen +1 -1 do decent on double dozens
What if we wait for 12 numbers, cross off the past 12 that hit
Bet remaining 24 with +1 -1
At any profit restart
Only way to tank is if those 12 repeat a lot
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 03, 09:26 AM 2017
Thinking out loud
Only because I've seen +1 -1 do decent on double dozens
What if we wait for 12 numbers, cross off the past 12 that hit
Bet remaining 24 with +1 -1
At any profit restart
Only way to tank is if those 12 repeat a lot
This is where the math boys would say that you're just betting 2 dozens.........but physics would say otherwise. :thumbsup:
The only element that concerns me about this type of betting is the simplicity. Surely, someone must have thought of waiting for 1/3 to hit, and then betting the rest.
Seems too good to be true.........but then again..... :ooh:
The second I had profit no matter what it was I'd restart
On a live wheel might not work. It would look silly
So I'd stick to airball.
hi
i just randomly picked every third outcome using Nottos recent 210 numbers
51 hits in 210 left to right in blue
using a number and 4 neighbour each side (9 number bet)
if using a progression would most likely be in profit within first 25 numbers
also using same numbers if you was to bet LAST five outcomes only you would have had 23 numbers that had repeated within 5 spins
this would have been a 5 number bet so a good chance of using a LONGER progression
Quote from: tuddilue on Jan 03, 09:09 AM 2017Have you dared to play on the non-hits all the 110 spins sometime?
Tuddilue, no, as when started KTF it was only to show how you can make units fast and be gone.
I just watch the trot, bet non-hits and sometimes its bet repeats, but the idea is to get +25 units and start again,you know how i do it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 03, 09:26 AM 2017
Thinking out loud
Only because I've seen +1 -1 do decent on double dozens
What if we wait for 12 numbers, cross off the past 12 that hit
Bet remaining 24 with +1 -1
At any profit restart
Only way to tank is if those 12 repeat a lot
Quote from: thelaw on Jan 03, 09:37 AM 2017
This is where the math boys would say that you're just betting 2 dozens.........but physics would say otherwise. :thumbsup:
The only element that concerns me about this type of betting is the simplicity. Surely, someone must have thought of waiting for 1/3 to hit, and then betting the rest.
Seems too good to be true.........but then again..... :ooh:
You're talking KTF gents
Quote from: thelaw on Jan 03, 09:37 AM 2017The only element that concerns me about this type of betting is the simplicity. Surely, someone must have thought of waiting for 1/3 to hit, and then betting the rest.
Law
this is just Flat bet the remaining 9 non-hit from your starting 37, in another topic i said wait for remaining 12. But whilst slowly going over all games in the average document, i could see it's better to flat bet just the remaining 9 till hit, then the 8 then the 7,6,5,4, i stopped at the remaining 4, So just betting those 6 non-hits in the 300 games document, the profit is 8'914 units.
Yes that simple, look at the document for yourself
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 03, 01:04 PM 2017
Law
this is just Flat bet the remaining 9 non-hit from your starting 37, in another topic i said wait for remaining 12. But whilst slowly going over all games in the average document, i could see it's better to flat bet just the remaining 9 till hit, then the 8 then the 7,6,5,4, i stopped at the remaining 4, So just betting those 6 non-hits in the 300 games document, the profit is 8'914 units.
Yes that simple, look at the document for yourself
So why are you using a progression in the green graphs above? :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Jan 03, 06:10 PM 2017
So why are you using a progression in the green graphs above? :question:
As mentioned its using Priyanka's Tester for KTF. Also as mentioned if you look in the non-hit count column that would be flat bet as example again shows, spin 55 start flat betting the remaining 9. Scroll over the non-hit count column theres the outlay, now the hard part for some you'll have to manually work out the win values. Do you get it now :question:
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Now yesterday some start going on about betting 24#'s, then there's mention of waiting for a 1/3rd.
THIS IS ONLY BETTING THE REMAINING 9 NON-HIT #'S
Okay back to basic, an empty tester.
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Now to confuse heres Mort's numbers for today broke into 2 games.
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Game 2, a loss on the 2 games if betting till spin 110
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Now to make it easier to see, i hope ?
Spin 69 start betting the remaining 9 non-hit, spin 70 win.
Now what i first showed is how just betting on the tester, betting all non-hit till spin 110 as thats as far as i got extending from 60 spins, flat betting is in profit.
But here you see you are already +18, so now like RG said as soon as he's in profit he'd stop
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Now we reset from spin 70, so spin 71 is now spin 1, do you get this part? :question:
As you see spin 47 start to bet the remaining 9 non-hit, spin 48 win.
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Final reset as spins are decreasing.
Spin 49 is going to be spin 1, hope we are still on the same page? :question:
spin 45, start betting the remaining 9 non-hit, hit at spin 48, breakeven, start betting the remaining 8 non-hit at spin 49, spin 50 win +20.
So resetting makes profit, but if played like in the 2 games a small loss.
I'll leave you to make the decision of how you go about this.
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Heres #'s from jackpot247 4.1.17
KTF lost -800
Flatbet the last remaining 9 non-hit spin 61, win spin 63, +9 so RG stops. If you carry on +43. No waiting for a 1/3rd or after 12 have come, just the wait for the remaining 9 non-hit. Easy.
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It only took 2 tries with zumma data for it to fail.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 04, 12:32 PM 2017
It only took 2 tries with zumma data for it to fail.
well thats your testing
can you give a brief of the actual principles of the bet, like when to start, what type of bet, do you do as RG says stop at first profit, lets see if you're working the same way first of all before we decide to scrap it
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 04, 03:44 AM 2017
As mentioned its using Priyanka's Tester for KTF. Also as mentioned if you look in the non-hit count column that would be flat bet as example again shows, spin 55 start flat betting the remaining 9. Scroll over the non-hit count column theres the outlay, now the hard part for some you'll have to manually work out the win values. Do you get it now :question:
Got it - Thanks! :thumbsup:
NH,
So what is the max number of spins you can have before a non-repeat shows up?
In the chart in reply #92 it sits on 8 non-hits for 14 spins......which I assume could happen to 9 as well.........yikes!!! :ooh:
Cheers! :)
Law
The longest i have in average document is 22 spins on airball. ON FOBT rng 31spins.
Now when Mort started posting his spins it was Dublinbet, now is that a live wheel? as i'm going over the dublinbet spins and its in minus betting the last 9. But when look to betting last 12 there, its winning. Strange!
But what i've been posting is where he posts Dragonara spins and at the moment the last 9 is in profit, where as the last 12 there does not win, thats why i say strange, the 12 wins on old spins of Morts and the 9 was not.
With the possibility of that many losing spins in a row, what is the plan if this happens?
Take the loss, and move on? Standard stop-loss?
Any time "bad luck' hits while testing.........always makes me think twice. :ooh:
Cheers! :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Jan 04, 07:00 PM 2017
With the possibility of that many losing spins in a row, what is the plan if this happens? As its still early days of testing,and its flatbet, theres no stop point as we flatbet till end of spins posted
Take the loss, and move on? Standard stop-loss? above
Any time "bad luck' hits while testing.........always makes me think twice. :ooh: Bad luck, well at the moment flat bet on jackpot is positive and when using Morts numbers look to reply 27, it's also positive, flat bet the remaining 9 Like i said in reply 103 Morts #'s for today i'll post, the remaining 12 and 9.
Cheers! :thumbsup:
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When using dragonara spins,betting the remaining 9 is better than his Dublinbet posts, is there something going on at these wheels?
Law
i have got 12 games from the 24/12/16 up till today by Mortagon.
These 12 games are in profit to the sum of 212 units, unit being what you can play with,here a £1 unit.
So the 12 games gives a daily profit of 17.66
Now the ?
If at the end of X amount of games, lets assume 365 like from Jackpot, which is 7700.
The daily profit would be 21.09 units,
so this could be your win value, now if betting the remaining 9 non-hit and hits 1st spin, +27 so stop.
Now you've stopped +27, you'd have to carry on and collect the spins to keep the data up todate, this will show if the daily profit value changes.
Remember the 7700 is from betting flat bet every spin, where we have seen a non-hit take 22 spins, but the profit even with some big repeats, is still there, the figures don't lie. The 300 document is there to see :smile:
Got it - Thanks! :thumbsup:
Just played this on MPR spin 50 couldn't get all units on as the ready must have remained checked. Again spin 53
But went from 2565 to 2665 using 5unit.
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Law
as you show some interest.
Now on jackpot, i'm watching last 12 as well as last 9. The part of surprise for me is flat bet12 is+7723, now the good bit, the 9 is 7873.
Betting less making more.
Hope Priyanka see this :thumbsup:
Track until 9 lest bet the 9. Then 8. Then 7
Can it be this easy?
Has any of those sessions busted?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 05, 04:02 PM 2017
Track until 9 lest bet the 9. Then 8. Then 7
Can it be this easy? No sorry
Has any of those sessions busted?Yup
There's no flatbet that can win. Unless you find a way to accurate your predictions.
Sorry :(
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 30, 05:28 AM 2016
Okay this is FCUKING breaking news.
I've done it, i've found the bet and its flatbet as well.
The only problem is you're going to have to look for it in reply 1406 and 1417 of KTF.
It's staring you in the face.
Ok what a
FCUKING to believe here?
chaotic now thats a laugh :lol:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 05, 04:02 PM 2017
Track until 9 lest bet the 9. Then 8. Then 7
Can it be this easy?
Has any of those sessions busted?
2 pages from zumma yielded one bust.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 05, 05:15 PM 2017
2 pages from zumma yielded one bust.
The average document in ktf, do you actually know how to read it.
If you look in ROTT reply 21 it might help you understand how too decipher it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 05, 04:02 PM 2017
Track until 9 lest bet the 9. Then 8. Then 7
Can it be this easy? RG if you had gone to one of the many airball machines you could play at, i reckon you could have about 954 actual recorded games, just one a day, since you joined the forum, you would then be able to answer the question can it be this easy? at the moment it looks like it could be, only time will tell. Can you post some sheets from Zumma that Mogul so depends on, data from an unkown source, how do you know that they are real spins, not just made up?
Has any of those sessions busted?
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 05, 04:30 PM 2017
chaotic now thats a laugh :lol:
Good one chaotic so if I understand bet 9 bet 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 booom like final countdown. Are you
FCUKING serious.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jan 06, 04:13 AM 2017
Good one chaotic so if I understand bet 9 bet 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 booom like final countdown. Are you FCUKING serious.
Yes
FCUKING serious. You stupid !!!!
You must be stupid to have lost so much on steves game, just as well its fun money as idiots like you obviously dont know how to play, what's it now -$2,453,695
You must be at top dogg's table, where all the idiots play Mr J, General
Mr MJ you're not his brother :lol: Anyway what a game this one
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Ok thanks for kind words, I am stupid but at least I know which systems not working in long term. :( and I always testing something new at the end do you really think that I will share something with you? I think maestro will be first and few others.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jan 06, 05:52 AM 2017
Ok thanks for kind words, I am stupid but at least I know which systems not working in long term. :( and I always testing something new at the end do you really think that I will share something with you?Do you realy think i'm worried whether you share with me. I think maestro will be first and few others.
We'll leave it there then :thumbsup:
Ok lol we are FCUKING friends again :thumbsup: and yes I will share with you no worries.