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Title: I am in chains
Post by: bleep24 on Jan 03, 03:06 PM 2017
Hi all,   This idea is to look for chains of D/S     1/6 13/18 25/30 = A  7/12 19/24 31/36 = B  (Devil street system kinda)

We are looking for chains of A`s or B`s.   Bet every spin.  Typical line will look like:     AABAABBABAAABBABBABBAABBA

NO Video    NO extensive testing     NO spins/results.   Test against Dublinbet spins posted on this forum and see what you think.

I have used +1/-1 prog.    Furthest I went using Marty was 1 2 4 8 16

Brian
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 03, 08:05 PM 2017
betting every spin for the next spin to be the same group?
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: Thunder Pants on Jan 04, 12:35 PM 2017
I think you are thinking about the Devils "Lines" strategy & yes there is definately room for following the pattern A/B (like follow the colour in Red/black) chains/streaks instead of betting that patterns will alternate. Infact you can probably also get away with just continually betting pattern B (or A) with a small Martinegale. Do watch out thou, especially if you are playing larger units and perhaps wait for a couple of spins until your "edge" seem higher (aka if you are hoping for a A to happen then wait for 3x B to happen etc).
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 04, 02:51 PM 2017
All of the strategy variations I use and work with are within this realm.

NLE.  doubles.  etc.
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: bleep24 on Jan 04, 04:43 PM 2017
Hi,

Yes there are quite a few variations on this theme and all pretty good.   My `thing` at the moment is Devil Street`s 5`s for a repeat.  Has been solid.
Even if you get an odd loss you should still be well in front with this.

AABAB
BAABB
ABAAA
BABAA
ABBAB
Good luck all,  Brian
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 04, 09:05 PM 2017
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 04, 04:43 PM 2017
Hi,

Yes there are quite a few variations on this theme and all pretty good.   My `thing` at the moment is Devil Street`s 5`s for a repeat.  Has been solid.
Even if you get an odd loss you should still be well in front with this.

AABAB
BAABB
ABAAA
BABAA
ABBAB
Good luck all,  Brian

What's this????
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: bleep24 on Jan 05, 02:19 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,

Don`t you understand Arabic!!!                     Seriously, It is making a match from the last 5 spins.  A = 1/6  13/18  25/30  B = 7/12 19/24  31/36

It is proving to be pretty solid.  No losses yet!  but there is still plenty of time.  As always it boils down to prog. and stop loss.   

The secret to success is win more than you lose.  hahahaha.

Regards,
Brian
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: Roulettedevil on Jan 05, 03:41 AM 2017
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 05, 02:19 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,

Don`t you understand Arabic!!!                     Seriously, It is making a match from the last 5 spins.  A = 1/6  13/18  25/30  B = 7/12 19/24  31/36

It is proving to be pretty solid.  No losses yet!  but there is still plenty of time.  As always it boils down to prog. and stop loss.   

The secret to success is win more than you lose.  hahahaha.


Good to see you doing well with this, are you playing for repeat or change ?
Might try testing both at same time  ;)

Regards,
Brian
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: bleep24 on Jan 05, 06:11 AM 2017
Hi Roulettedevil,

Playing for repeats but it will probably work both ways.   Also just betting A or B all the time is also a possibility.  Usually only see it go 4/5 times without swapping.     Would using A= 1/12 + 25/30 and B = 13/24 + 31/36 be more advantageous?

Good luck,
Brian

Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: Roulettedevil on Jan 05, 08:00 AM 2017
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 05, 06:11 AM 2017
  Would using A= 1/12 + 25/30 and B = 13/24 + 31/36 be more advantageous?

Good luck,
Brian

Testing will tell, that's the beauty of mixing the lines up, if you hit a run of H or L ,you are always covered either way, will test this slot more soon 👿
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 05, 11:45 AM 2017
Essentially an EC bet

Please tell the longest number of spins without a match.  Thanks
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: bleep24 on Jan 05, 03:22 PM 2017
Hi RG,
Longest that I have seen is 6.  That is playing 5`s and matches.   This is not entensive playing so RFH would obviously make it more.

Good luck,
Brian
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 05, 03:24 PM 2017
Thanks Brian

I will test it against strings of 5

Betting against above line

I think betting against would be better

Logic tells me that wheel would repeat exact lines often

Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 05, 03:30 PM 2017
Wouldnt****
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 07, 09:05 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 05, 03:30 PM 2017
Wouldnt****

Wouldn't what?
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 07, 09:06 AM 2017
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 05, 02:19 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,

Don`t you understand Arabic!!!                     Seriously, It is making a match from the last 5 spins.  A = 1/6  13/18  25/30  B = 7/12 19/24  31/36

It is proving to be pretty solid.  No losses yet!  but there is still plenty of time.  As always it boils down to prog. and stop loss.   

The secret to success is win more than you lose.  hahahaha.

Regards,
Brian

Well all Arabic aside, your saying to play for matches of the last actual
results. Right?

Not some pattern from the Arabic matrix.

Right?
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: bleep24 on Jan 07, 01:29 PM 2017
Hi Mogul,
Sorry but it`s all Greek to me.

Brian

(You will have to move to England (preferably around North-East - Newcastle upon Tyne) and laarn yasel Geordie   (learn to understand and speak the Geordie dialect then you might just come to understand my humour)      No doubt it is the same for me moving to USA.      Possibly if you drink 12 bottles of Newcastle Brown Ale (now widely available in US) in a session your brain will go into melt down and it will help you with these problems.  `Nuke` Brown is not as good in US as in UK.  It is not even brewed in Newcastle now (Disgraceful)   It`s nick-name is Journey into Space owing to its strength. A few bottles being able to get you legless (I do not know how getting legless helps you with a journey, but there you go or not as the case maybe)

Best regards,    Brian
(I like to post a little bit of enlightenment off topic)
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 07, 07:33 PM 2017
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 07, 01:29 PM 2017
Hi Mogul,
Sorry but it`s all Greek to me.

Brian

(You will have to move to England (preferably around North-East - Newcastle upon Tyne) and laarn yasel Geordie   (learn to understand and speak the Geordie dialect then you might just come to understand my humour)      No doubt it is the same for me moving to USA.      Possibly if you drink 12 bottles of Newcastle Brown Ale (now widely available in US) in a session your brain will go into melt down and it will help you with these problems.  `Nuke` Brown is not as good in US as in UK.  It is not even brewed in Newcastle now (Disgraceful)   It`s nick-name is Journey into Space owing to its strength. A few bottles being able to get you legless (I do not know how getting legless helps you with a journey, but there you go or not as the case maybe)

Best regards,    Brian
(I like to post a little bit of enlightenment off topic)

Well in English, there was an actual question. I assume that you are tracking
5 results and playing for the repeat of them.

So the question (to rewind through several replies and languages), is simply
what is the purpose of that matrix, if your trigger is the last 5 results?
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: bleep24 on Jan 08, 02:31 AM 2017
Hi Mogul.
There is no matrix.  Look at last 5 spins and bet against them.    I am using +1/-1 as I have seen it lose past 5 spins (not very often) but still lose.

I am also playing last 5 spins and betting against on E/C`s.  Play 1, 2 or all three on same spin.  Needs a much larger BR but results are good.  No complicated tracking/staking as sometimes it can be difficult to place bets with time allowed on on-line `live` casinos.

Good luck,
Brian
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 08, 04:52 AM 2017
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 08, 02:31 AM 2017as sometimes it can be difficult to place bets with time allowed on on-line `live` casinos.
Why have casino's, this need to spin in as short as time as possible?
My answer is they do not like a player to be able to have a large amount of cover for system/method, is this why the China's just toss hundreds of chips across the table.

Perhaps Goldrosen could answer this, Finger
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 08, 01:47 PM 2017
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 08, 02:31 AM 2017
Hi Mogul.
There is no matrix.  Look at last 5 spins and bet against them.    I am using +1/-1 as I have seen it lose past 5 spins (not very often) but still lose.

I am also playing last 5 spins and betting against on E/C`s.  Play 1, 2 or all three on same spin.  Needs a much larger BR but results are good.  No complicated tracking/staking as sometimes it can be difficult to place bets with time allowed on on-line `live` casinos.

Good luck,
Brian

Sounds good.


AABAB
BAABB
ABAAA
BABAA
ABBAB


This is what I was referring to about the matrix
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 08, 01:51 PM 2017
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 08, 02:31 AM 2017
Hi Mogul.
There is no matrix.  Look at last 5 spins and bet against them.    I am using +1/-1 as I have seen it lose past 5 spins (not very often) but still lose.

I am also playing last 5 spins and betting against on E/C`s.  Play 1, 2 or all three on same spin.  Needs a much larger BR but results are good.  No complicated tracking/staking as sometimes it can be difficult to place bets with time allowed on on-line `live` casinos.

Good luck,
Brian

In kind with NLE and other variations, there are the setups we look for as triggers.
The triggers are certain patterns of EC's.  DS's.  And the like.  So since there are
many slants to looking at these supposedly better setups, then wait for the
setups in each league. Each pattern. And play them in the different buckets.
EC's. DS's. Etc.
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 08, 01:53 PM 2017
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 08, 02:31 AM 2017
Hi Mogul.
There is no matrix.  Look at last 5 spins and bet against them.    I am using +1/-1 as I have seen it lose past 5 spins (not very often) but still lose.

For example, wait til you lose past 5 in one set of EC's. DS. Etc. Then
jump in to play.
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: bleep24 on Jan 08, 04:18 PM 2017
Hi Mogul,
NO.  NO.

Use chains of 5.  Play any or all of E/C`s.  (Pref. French roulette)   Bet for opposite.  SAW    (stop at a winner)   Play out the chain of 5.  Start again.

So   R/B as an example.     RRBBB         RBRRB    won on 2nd spin.   now RBBBB    won on 3rd spin   BRBRR   won on 1st spin.  I am using 1 2 4 5 6 and it is going a bomb.   When will it explode?     You could use +1/-1 prog.   

So easy to place bets/track.

Its over to you to test.
Good luck,   Brian   
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 08, 04:31 PM 2017
I would play this as designed in the first post of the thread

Playing this against the mat ECs is a death wish

Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: bleep24 on Jan 08, 05:18 PM 2017
Hi RG,

We all know that 99% of systems etc. encounter a RFH sometime but hope that we are not playing when it does.

For now I am going to play The Frank Sinatra method and do it `My Way`

Cheers,
Brian
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 08, 05:42 PM 2017
I like the EC bet of post #1
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: BellagioOwner on Jan 08, 06:53 PM 2017
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Jan 05, 03:41 AM 2017are you playing for repeat or change ?
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 05, 06:11 AM 2017Playing for repeats but it will probably work both ways.   Also just betting A or B all the time is also a possibility.
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 05, 06:11 AM 2017Would using A= 1/12 + 25/30 and B = 13/24 + 31/36 be more advantageous?

Or you could bet once to repeat and next spin to change from previous. You know why all these ideas would work? Because it doesn't matter anyhow or changes anyhow or giving us any advantage over guessing the next spin or over the HE. All these theories on bet selections are pretty much useless. It's stupid to base any advantage of your system on bet selection. If we can't change the odds of the next spin and can't guess this way the next result (contrary to what AP claims it does, and I agree), there is no point in MECHANICAL systems that we test to speak about bet selection. There IS point though I guess to improve the system mechanics (what we SHOULD focus is the creation of the progression, the limit loss, wins, bankroll etc). These are the things we can tune and work around in mechanical systems.
If you still insist on finding a bet selection what MAYBE could work is to bet the most behind of the 2 results of your EC based on any deviation from the mean. Still this way any positive result you may see won't be in short run but after hundreds/thousands of spins. And that is IF your system can still survive that many spins (through money management)chasing the least spun result of the EC until it approaches the mean. A big IF

Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 08, 04:52 AM 2017Why have casino's, this need to spin in as short as time as possible?
My answer is they do not like a player to be able to have a large amount of cover for system/method
No. It's very simple why.
Spinning in as short time as possible = more spins per hour =  more bets placed = more exposure of players and bets to the fixed HE = more money for them.
Plain and simple. :) Maybe because also that they DO need to make their game a little bit faster to keep you interested and not bored spinning once every 3-4 minutes. They can't come even close to the auto spin times of online RNG or online Live Roulette within seconds but they still try to cut down their time= more action, more fun, more profit for them, less waiting boredom time
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 08, 07:57 PM 2017
in regards to post 1

A = 1/6, 13/18, 25/30
B = 7/12, 19/24, 31/36

Just went through 3 zumma pages

strings of 5

each string was a win if you used the 1, 2, 4, 8, 16...there was always a win within the 5 bets. except once

I do not condone marty, this was for test purposes only

all wins but 1

the one loss included a 0

it looked like this:

A0BAA
AABAA

Even with that one marty loss of 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 i was still ahead 1 unit, ONE UNIT, lol at the end...better than losing i guess

my next test i wont stop on a win i will continuously bet against the decision 5 back as per the string....had i done that the test would have been better

now i can say all strings of 5 resulted in a win HAD i had insurance on 0

but we know how that goes

is insurance on 0 a stupid move? or does it have merit in certain methods

or do we say put insurance on 27, 31, 0, doesnt matter all the same. then i could say: 0 is not part of a line, and we are betting lines so the insurance chip is a savior. it cant HURT
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jan 08, 09:41 PM 2017
Quote from: Thunder Pants on Jan 04, 12:35 PM 2017


perhaps wait for a couple of spins until your "edge" seem htigher (aka if you are hoping for a A to happen then wait for 3x B to happen etc).


But don't the highly esteemed math boys tell us that such waiting (as you are suggesting above) is not going to change the HE because every new spin is an independent event and also because the wheel has no memory ?
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 08, 10:39 PM 2017
I just did a zumma page and a page of my own data.
Both were consistently good.
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jan 08, 11:46 PM 2017
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 08, 10:39 PM 2017
I just did a zumma page and a page of my own data.
Both were consistently good.

Did you test the same method that RG tested previously?

Just asking to be sure since different versions have been proposed in this thread.
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 09, 07:59 AM 2017
I didn't notice the different one. But I picked DS's 1,3,5 and 2.4.6.

In a group of 5, I went 5 back and played the opposite. I did it
on a rolling basis.  Every spin. I think it did slightly better than
50% and only had maybe 2 losses in a row, once.
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 08:21 AM 2017
Only two loses in a row once?

I tested in strings of 5. When win sit out remainder of string

But I do like the rolling basis better. Your way

I've use lines as EC bets before and it turned out ugly

But who knows if the airball machines were fair.....
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 08:27 AM 2017
These airball machines are an ongoing debate. Is it real roulette?
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: bleep24 on Jan 09, 09:00 AM 2017
I do not trust air-ball machines/RNG.  You seem to win ok at the start of play but if you keep on playing they start turning ugly.  On air-ball I have seen a ball virtually stop in a pocket then jump 2/3 pockets forward.  How does that work?        It is only live play for me.

Brian
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 10:18 AM 2017
RNg I would never trust

It's a computer game

Airball is a different story as it's physical wheel and ball

I've seen it do weird things to

I live by one rule. Play at a full table when it's airball
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 11:22 AM 2017
Mogul did you bet same as string above or against?

A0BAA
AABAA

I got that. Which betting against would have lost the Marty

Now I just realize one thing

Had I sit out the line following the 0 outcome I would have missed that loss

Perhaps sitting out the string after a 0 shows is wise.

Going back over tests if I sit out the string of 5 after the string that contains a 0 or double 0 I then win all strings with Marty betting against

Not sure how confident I'd be to use real dough

Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 09, 11:25 AM 2017
Lost my post again. Don't know why it happens.

Anyway, I don't suspect airball.  For one thing, I wait till the
ball is released.  Also, there are 10 stations. So which one is
it going to cheat?

Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 09, 11:28 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 11:22 AM 2017
Mogul did you bet same as string above or against?

A0BAA
AABAA

I got that. Which betting against would have lost the Marty

Now I just realize one thing

Had I sit out the line following the 0 outcome I would have missed that loss

Perhaps sitting out the string after a 0 shows is wise.

Going back over tests if I sit out the string of 5 after the string that contains a 0 or double 0 I then win all strings with Marty betting against

Not sure how confident I'd be to use real dough

I've done different things. (In other testing similar to this matrix thing).
Take the result from the row above. Wait for a clean string.
Etc.  I use SOMETHING.
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: bleep24 on Jan 09, 11:33 AM 2017
Whenever I hit a 0 I stop playing and often switch table because owing to DS there is a high chance of at least 1 and possibly 2 zeroes coming out soon.  Of course you could do the reverse and bet zero for 36 spins.

Brian
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 11:38 AM 2017
Thanks bleep

Going forward I will decide how to handle zero

So far that's the only way I lost the next line betting against

Sitting out that next line solves issue

Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 09, 02:30 PM 2017
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 09, 11:33 AM 2017
Whenever I hit a 0 I stop playing and often switch table because owing to DS there is a high chance of at least 1 and possibly 2 zeroes coming out soon.  Of course you could do the reverse and bet zero for 36 spins.

Brian

I agree with this completely.
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 02:50 PM 2017
Yes. We know numbers can repeat a lot especially in a short time


It happens every cycle

If it's 0 we are, pardon my French, fooked
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 09, 03:01 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 10:18 AM 2017
RNg I would never trust

It's a computer game Didn't the great one say as long as the Law of the third is there then there's no problem of cheating

Airball is a different story as it's physical wheel and ball How does the ball start, do the pockets have jet holes, or does the machine suck the ball up to the track to meet a stream of air, if jet holes are in the pocket, what's to say they can't blow air from pockets, just enough to keep the ball on the track till it reaches where they want. Ausguy has talked of the cheat.

I've seen it do weird things to exactly, suspect ball stops or rotations before lands, even seen where it looks like its got backspin

I live by one rule. Play at a full table when it's airball Have you started a document of spins, like how many spins to clear the starting 37
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 03:14 PM 2017
I've spoken to him about it to

Many think it cheats

I think your chances are better on airball if you sit at a full table. That's if it is cheating. Then will it avoid your bets or the guy betting a thousand per spin?

At my local casino the euro airball minimum is $20. I watched an Asian woman bet 2k per spin and won big. Is it cheating?
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: bleep24 on Jan 09, 04:27 PM 2017
Hi RG,

Play French roulette and if you hit zero you are only half `fooked`

Brian
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 09, 05:13 PM 2017
RG
Here is the Interblock spins from friday night. I've re-wrote them so its nice an tidy. Is the machine cheating from these spins?
Game 1 i was £33 plus for .25p units. Game 2 i reset from game 1 spin 41 is game 2's, spins 1-10.
Game 2 i walked out £11 plus

What happened in spins 31-40 game 2, 22, non-hit had come, 1 spin late to countback, so i waited for the average of 3 spins, it took 10 spins to find one of the remaining 15. Other players are moaning, why,is it that the machine is repeating #'s?

Now look if you are trying to get the repeats, hotties, what have i said is the usual # of non-hit in spins 1-10, answer 9/10. So here i've marked them as spins 1-10 for you, So why is the machine cheating.
Look at game 1 its 8/10, so at spin 40 should/could see 23 non-hit, it gave 22, -1
Look at game 2 its 10/10, so at spin 40 we should/could see 25 non-hit, it gave 22,-3 both games have 22,non-hit, to me the machine is playing perfectly.

what is the average for 23rd non-hit in the jackpot average document, which is airball, average to hit 2.44 spins, max 11 spins, so 10 spins is with-in the max.

Are you just to nerverous to play on this machine, i've said before collect data for the machine you are going to use, whether it be live,air ball or what i play FOBT rng.
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 06:47 PM 2017
i am very glad your FOBT is proving to be an unfixed source

i dont know if data collecting an airball wheel would help

if it were to cheat it wouldnt be when im watching and recording it would be if i was betting

gut feeling tells me the airball is real
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 09, 06:56 PM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 06:47 PM 2017
i am very glad your FOBT is proving to be an unfixed source

i dont know if data collecting an airball wheel would help

if it were to cheat it wouldnt be when im watching and recording it would be if i was betting

gut feeling tells me the airball is real

Likewise
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 06:58 PM 2017
just had this

AAABB
BBAAA
BBAAA
BAB--

MAYBE BETTING FOR SAME IS BETTER

THATS 6 LOSSES IN A ROW

1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32

ouch

maybe brians idea of betting for same is better
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 10, 05:52 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 06:47 PM 2017i dont know if data collecting an airball wheel would help
It most definetly would, you would know when starting those 37 #'s, there average to hit and of course there max to hit. Knowing this you would know if something was dodgy. The max to hit could change, but if you had waited X amount of spins and now your betting would have you go 1 more spin than the known max, it goes 2 more spins, past the max, it must have been your unlucky day or the machine just cheated you  :question:
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 10, 10:17 AM 2017
RG the answer to Toby in % question comes from having the spin document, better known as average document. Thats why you should be building one for your airball machine
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 11, 01:15 AM 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 03:14 PM 2017
I've spoken to him about it to

Many think it cheats

I think your chances are better on airball if you sit at a full table. That's if it is cheating. Then will it avoid your bets or the guy betting a thousand per spin?

At my local casino the euro airball minimum is $20. I watched an Asian woman bet 2k per spin and won big. Is it cheating?

I walked up to the game once. There are 5 games facing each other. There was
one guy on one side that was playing 4 machines. He had maybe $200 in each
machine. I forget.  A woman walked by, looked at me and said, "I'll kick him in the balls,
and you get the tickets. We'll split it".  Anyway, the guy was running back and forth
making single dozen bets. The same on each game. Like $100 bets.

In about 5 min he finished with $1000 on each machine. There was a clear example
where the machine could see large bets on several machines.  And he won.

I asked him what he was doing and he said that if you cash out for more than $1000,
they withhold taxes, and that was the point. No idea how he was playing.
Title: Re: I am in chains
Post by: mogul397 on Jan 11, 01:21 AM 2017
On a more serious note, I decided to play this live today. Using the
50 cent inside bets I bet $1.50 on the 3 choiced. And tracked it.

I made like $10, and it was seeming very good. Flat bet. And I stopped
betting and recorded. I have the paper here in front of me.

At a certain point I got a lot of losses on paper.  7 in a row including one zero.
Mentally and emotionally it seemed a little sour.

I've been out all night and just got back looking it over. Overall I counted the
wins and losses. I basically got 25 wins and 25 losses. Including 3 losses from zeros.

But my point is that I'm not sure how I would play this with a progression of any
kind with confidence.  Even with an actual even split, the distribution was the thing
that was killing me.  Good bet selection just didn't cover it (unless I just bet
blind and was happy breaking even).