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Title: If "this", then "that"
Post by: Priyanka on Jan 10, 08:21 AM 2017
“If this then that” â€" I think RG made an excellent statement and it keeps ringing in my mind. Its like one of those hit numbers that gets on your head and doesn’t get off easily and you keep humming it for the entire day. Something to think about. Few of the people asked what do I mean by stitching of bets and whether it can be explained with an example.

So here is one system. It is called “If this then that” system. So how do we play this.

It is a simple follow the last system with five steps.

1.   Bet the last high/low EC. If it is low, bet 1u on low, if it is high, then bet 1u on high.
2.   If step number 1 is lost, then repeat step 1.
3.   If step number 1 wins, then let the winnings ride on the last winning dozen. So if step number 1 wins, then bet 2u on the dozen that came in step 1.
4.   Irrespective of what happens in step 3, restart playing step 1.
5.   If 0 or 00, then accept loss and repeat step 1.

Simple 5 step method. It is also an example of how to stitch together bets in two spins (1 EC  and 1 Dozen).

Example of how to play.

5 â€" Starting bank 10u.
35 â€" L. 9u
9 â€" L. 8u
12 â€" W. 9u
7 â€" W. 13u
8 â€" W. 14u
23 â€" L. 12u
5 â€" L. 11u
11- W. 12u
29 â€" L. 10u
30 â€" W. 11u
17 â€" L. 9u
8 â€" W. 10u
22 â€" L. 8u
8 â€" L. 7u
23 â€" L. 6u
6 â€" L. 5u
13 â€" W. 6u
32 â€" L. 4u
33 â€" W. 5u
22 â€" L. 3u
26 â€" W. 4u
32 â€" W. 8u
21 â€" W.9u
33 â€" L. 7u
16 â€" L. 6u
21 â€" L. 5u
23 â€" W. 6u
20 â€" W. 10u.  So 30 minutes of fun with 10 unit buy in and time to go have some lunch.
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: Roulettedevil on Jan 10, 08:35 AM 2017
Playing something similar
But one repeat on all EC, I prefer repeats to change.
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 10, 08:38 AM 2017
A clear and concise method

Thanks
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: Roulettedevil on Jan 10, 08:48 AM 2017
Sometimes just keeping things simple is the best way, simple but very rewarding when played in short sessions.
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 10, 08:52 AM 2017
Quote from: Roulettedevil on Jan 10, 08:48 AM 2017
Sometimes just keeping things simple is the best way, simple but very rewarding when played in short sessions.

Agreed. Those that devote their entire lives to roulette argue the "long run"

Doesn't mean much to the common folk
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: falkor2k15 on Jan 10, 09:46 AM 2017
1) What is the logic of changing bet after winning, or continuing old bet if losing? I understand it's related to the recently discussed "dynamic" betting - but what makes it any better than a static bet?
2) What is the logic behind changing bet to the last hit dozen? I understand it involves "stitching", but what is the advantage here if any? It's not "parachuting" since the EC to Dozen change happens after a win instead of a loss.
3) I guess this is not a winning system but posted to demonstrate Pri's concepts?
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: Priyanka on Jan 10, 10:15 AM 2017
1. There is no logical explanation. It is a simple follow the last bet selection.  :thumbsup:

2. It depends on what is your definition of "stitching" and "parachuting". For me it is simply combining an EC and dozen to make a line bet but not restricted by only 6 numbers.  ;)

3. Surely it won RG's appreciation. So yeah, winning bet.   >:D
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: falkor2k15 on Jan 10, 10:45 AM 2017
Priyanka, thanks for your reply - I guess you must be in a good mood! :)

1. What is the significance of following the last? I heard you mention FTL before. Also, I guess betting dominant in other contexts resembles FTL? There must be some logic to this part - surely?
2. EC to dozen to make a line - but you aren't covering the same area as a line nor in 1 spin - so is this referring same payout odds? If so then would this be a more accurate description: "combining an EC and dozen to give the same return as a line?"

Going back to the logic (of lack of)... does any of this have anything to do with Pigeonhole Principle: FTL, dynamic betting, stitching?
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: BellagioOwner on Jan 10, 10:49 AM 2017
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jan 10, 09:46 AM 2017I understand it involves "stitching", but what is the advantage here if any?
Quote from: Priyanka on Jan 10, 10:15 AM 2017For me it is simply combining an EC and dozen to make a line bet but not restricted by only 6 numbers.


I never understood the concept of "stitching bets" on this forum and I don't think this example helps me much either. You are not restricted by only 6 numbers? You are restricted though to wait 2 spins won in a row to make the same profit of the "restricted by 6 numbers BUT IN A SINGLE SPIN"

I can't see any edge or advantage this way (neither by hedging 0 but that's another story  ::) )

Original 6 number bet:
Win chance: 6/37 = 16.21%
Payout: 1unit -> 6units (+5 units)
Average: 16.21%*5 units = 0.8105 units

Sticking 2 bets (in 2 different spins)
Win both chance: 18/37 *12/37 = 15.77%
Payout: Spin#1: 1u->2u
             Spin#2: 2u->6units (+5 units)
Average: 15.77%*5 units = 0.7885 units

Where is it the edge/advantage of stitching here?
It can turn out to be even worse since you are exposed for double the spins to the HE for exact the same payout.
Except if I'm wrong somewhere so please anyone feel free to explain  :)
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: wiggy on Jan 10, 12:02 PM 2017
I tried a slight twist where I bet on the two previous dozens to show after winning on an E/C bet.

Same numbers as above....

5 â€" Starting bank 10u.
35 â€" B E/C L 9U
9 â€" R E/C L 8U
12 â€" R E/C W 9U
7 â€" R D/D W 10U
8 â€" B E/C L 9U
23 â€" R E/C L 8U
5 â€" R E/C W 9U
11- B D/D W 10U
29 â€" B E/C W 11U
30 â€" R D/D W 12U
17 â€" B E/C L 11U
8 â€" B E/C W 12U
22 â€" B D/D W 13U
8 â€" B E/C W 14U
23 â€" R D/D L 12U
6 â€" B E/C L 11U
13 â€" B E/C W 12U
32 â€" R D/D L 10U
33 â€" B E/C L 9U
22 â€" B E/C W 10U
26 â€" B D/D W 11U
32 â€" R E/C L 10U
21 â€" R E/C W 11U
33 â€" B D/D W 12U
16 â€" R E/C L 11U
21 â€" R E/C W 12U
23 â€" R D/D W 13U
20 â€" B E/C L 12U

Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: falkor2k15 on Jan 10, 12:06 PM 2017
Nice post, BellagioOwner! That's one step closer in our attempt for mutual understanding with Priyanka...

I've been pondering the same thing... coming to mind so far... perhaps 2 different bets of same payout odds can share most of the same covered area of the carpet?* ati also mentioned "alternating" bets with same payout odds based on common numbers. So there could be some playability based on having a choice between 2 different bets of same payout odds that cover a similar area?

*With natural dozens and columns they can only share 4 numbers out of 12 (a third of the covered carpet area).
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: wiggy on Jan 10, 12:09 PM 2017
Just to add that I used RED/BLACK in my example and not HIGH/LOW. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: falkor2k15 on Jan 10, 01:15 PM 2017
Quote from: wiggy on Jan 10, 12:09 PM 2017
Just to add that I used RED/BLACK in my example and not HIGH/LOW. :thumbsup:
HL has more in common with the dozens than red/black, so perhaps a test could be devised to see if there's any difference by changing EC type. My guess is that it will change nothing - or is only meant to be effective when properly combined with some other concept - knowing our luck...
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: Priyanka on Jan 10, 01:21 PM 2017
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Jan 10, 10:49 AM 2017Except if I'm wrong somewhere so please anyone feel free to explain
You are absolutely right. There is no advantage of just stitching the bets.

Unless a bet exists (I am not sure one exists) where stitching of the bets leads to a situation where the accuracy of prediction increases and impacts the odds of an event occurring. Considering none of us are aware of any such bet we have to draw a conclusion that there is no edge.

And FAlkor, there is no significance to following the last. Probability of Next spin being high or low is always 50% irrespective of whether the current spin is high or low and the probability of next dozen is always one-third with zero allowances. And your wording on point number two is absolutely correct. Semantics. ;)
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: shazwad on Jan 10, 03:20 PM 2017
Had a quick test of this. Went down 20 units but then recovered to 10 units profit so stopped.  What win goal / stop loss do you use. Also if you lost your stop loss would you play a 'recovery' session of double unit  bets?
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: Priyanka on Jan 10, 03:34 PM 2017
Quote from: shazwad on Jan 10, 03:20 PM 2017What win goal / stop loss do you use.
Shazwad - I have been playing this only for the past two days now. Also am not a believer of win goals and stop losses, so unfortunately not able to advice one. Welcome your suggestions for win goal and stop losses and any recovery sessions.
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 10, 03:51 PM 2017
Test it for many many spins

See the average of how low it goes. Create stop loss around that. Make win goal modest nothing extreme
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: falkor2k15 on Jan 10, 05:12 PM 2017
Quote from: Priyanka on Jan 10, 01:21 PM 2017Unless a bet exists (I am not sure one exists) where stitching of the bets leads to a situation where the accuracy of prediction increases and impacts the odds of an event occurring. Considering none of us are aware of any such bet we have to draw a conclusion that there is no edge.
If true then I guess the event must be based around a repeat, such as Cycle Length 2 or 3? The odds of that event occurring are based on what has already appeared once - preferably halves that are not equally likely rather than the equally likely ones. For example, 6 options based on Dozen Cycles:
CL1o1, CL2o1, CL2o2, CL3o1, CL3o2, CL3o3.

Usually the odds for a repeat on those are as follows:
49%
22%
22%
2%
2%
2%

Let's say we have the following open cycle of unique options 123...

The next repeat event for one of the 6 options is as follows:
16%
39%
41%
1%
1%
1%

In the above situation we expect a repeat on CL2 more than anything else - particularly if CL2 and CL1 have repeated more times than CL3 (=less CLs) so we could stitch our EC > Dozen 5/1 bet so that it finishes on spin 2 to match the anticipated repeat. However, the odds for the 2nd spin happen to be split equally between order 1 and order 2 (the previous defining dozen vs. the last dozen). Therefore, we could look at which dozen has repeated the most (=less dozens) and aim our 2nd stitched bet to land on that dozen; presumably, the stitched bet would then impact further on the 39 or 41% for CL2o1 or CL2o2? I'm just thinking out loud mind you - It could work vice versa - but am I at least thinking along the right lines..?
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 10, 05:39 PM 2017
I am glad we aren't making so simple into something so complicated.
Title: Re: If "this", then "that"
Post by: Priyanka on Jan 10, 05:47 PM 2017
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jan 10, 05:12 PM 2017true then I guess the event must be based around a repeat, such as Cycle Length 2 or 3?
Am not sure falkor as am not aware of existence of such a bet.