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Bet selection / Re: The Three Musketeers
« on: Today at 01:16:48 PM »
I'll look at this later.

Actually I find you fun and amusing. I like people who add content,
and actually test and play methods.  RG probably doesn't see it, but
I enjoy him too.  Even his jokey animations. Cause he adds useful
perspectives.

Your latest pun was a kind of "catch you off guard" thing.
"Where's mogul when you need him".

Remember. I latched on to the core of the things you have been going
lately with NLE and such.  What I am SORT OF finding is that if you are
spot playing those things when it looks and feels right, then it works.
What kills it is being mechanical. And it eventually bites you.  (Can't
tell you how many zeros I've missed at these "God forsaken US casino",
because I was watching.

I have a busy day today. (8AM now), but I'll be back on this.

Thanks

the one.....
the ONLY.......


MMMOOOGGGGUUUUULLLLLL!!!!!!!

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Bet selection / Re: The Three Musketeers
« on: Today at 01:35:46 AM »
Results tonight.       30 spins  x 3 opps. to bet =  90       Won 41   (less that 50%)   Max. stake 5 x 3       Won 55 units.  Easy peasy  (for how long?)-

Brian

(Where is Mogul when you need him - probably spending (wasting) his time in some God forsaken US casino)  Need him for testing

Mogul is right here Bleep.  And you are correct, I am "wasting" my time
in US casinos. But that's cheaper than flying to Europe and it is 15 min
away.

I'd be "Testing" it if I knew what to do. My tolerance for complexity is low,
and I often wait till things flush out to see. In this case it continues to be
confusing using "even" and "non even".  That sounds sillier than your
English accent. And then in the explanation in in the opening post
it says,

 Next number is 23R so we have 23R, 11B, 22B, 28B and the last 2 is both Even so i bet that the next number is Uneven.


So 23 and 11  (is) both even?  What's that supposed to mean.

I often put my foot in my mouth too early for being stupid, so  I thought I'd
wait.  Yes I'm here.

Just got back from my (almost) daily trip. Won my $20. While I was there a
guy was sitting next to me. I've noticed on this machine that whenever
25 or 27 show the other one shows soon. He was playing numbers, so I mentioned
it to him when I saw 25 come in and earlier a 27/25 combo. He weakly
covered it, and I was watching ready to leave.  Well about 6 spins later I
got up, and swung my fist and yelled 27!!!!!!!  It was 27.

I pointed it out. Said "I don't know why I notice it". And left.

Clairvoyant?  No. But not sure if it means anything relationally.


So figure out what the hell this method means and I'll join you in both
testing and playing. Tonight I had good luck on paper with the double dozen
thing we're looking at, playing +1 after the 1st loss and increasing.

And most of my winning are from intuitive bets on EC related to your NLE,
and variations close to that. Spot bets.

"Toodles".


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The Notepad / Re: Any ideas on this?
« on: Yesterday at 02:59:41 PM »
Wait for a dozen to miss six consecutive times flat-bet once.

I tested this idea for an hour (paper bets only)

Test: Intertops Red Live European Wheel
Thursday, January 19,2017 @ 2:53am CDT USA

...2nd 12 (trigger): Bet 2nd 12 once:  1.) 21(win)+2

...3rd 12 (trigger):  Bet 3rd 12 once:   2.) 17(x)-1

...2nd 12 (trigger):  Bet 2nd 12 once:  3.) 20(win)+2

...3rd 12 (trigger):   Bet 3rd 12 once:  4.) 11(x)-1

...2nd 12 (trigger):  Bet 2nd 12 once:  5.) 13(win)+2
------------------------------------------------------------------
+4

Notice how often it was 2nd or 3ed bet.

I grabbed some results and got a hit on the 3rd, 4th, and 4th.

So I lost. Might need a longer wait.

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Money management / Re: John Patrick's Trend strategy
« on: Yesterday at 02:51:36 PM »
Not for nothin', I tried this double dozen on paper with a couple sets
of data, increase 1 unit on losses and it was fantastic.

That doesn't mean I can envision plenty of sessions when it might not
have been as great, but I'm not sure how the math of that prodression
might have worked.

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Money management / Re: John Patrick's Trend strategy
« on: Yesterday at 02:49:35 PM »
I meant bellagioowner.

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Money management / Re: John Patrick's Trend strategy
« on: Yesterday at 02:43:42 PM »
http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18359.msg170423#msg170423

Yeah!!!!

YEAH!!!!!!!

THAT'S the one.  Thanks.  Couldn't remember where it was.

And HEY!!!!  I even responded to it asking thunderpants a question!!!!!

(With no response).

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Money management / Re: John Patrick's Trend strategy
« on: Yesterday at 02:47:39 AM »
HAlf hearted endorsement.

Recently I saw a post that claimed to play last two dozens.
After a loss increase 1 unit and keep doing that until you
are positive, or new high. I forget which.

Anyone hear of this one?

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Bet selection / Re: The real problem to address!!!!
« on: January 18, 2017, 02:01:28 AM »
I cannot understand the logic process behind the hundreds of systems/ schemes/wagering plans, that reduce roulette to an EC guessing/prediction game.
Advicates of such, that exhaustively test hundreds, thousands, millions of possible result outcomes, and similar, as exemplified by the various forums, has been debated, argued and discussed for more than ten years (at least).
To what end?
Has any resolution been reached, is anyone wiser, richer or more confident
at the table?
BTW, leave me out of any debate over pros and cons of on-line "casinos", as far as I am concerned, they induce blind rollerskating in quicksand, you really cannot rely on anything you see, feel or read.
At real (B&M) Casinos, at least I have a range of options, and consistent parameters to work with.
I play intuitively most of the time, inside numbers only, and make that my specialist field.
To win, for me at least, requires the toughest regimen and discipline, 'cos I only wager ONE unit, on ONE number per spin, and don't even bet on every spin.
This allows a very modest unit bank to last a long time, even against a luckless/winless sequence.
It is a guessing game, probably the most elaborate and definitely the most debated over, in games of chance, and when you play, you will have the same opportunity as everyone else to win or to lose, same odds, same layout, same decision/result.
Here is one of my more recent Casino Xpedition results.
  A...B....C....D
 27..32..00..22
 !5..09..07..03
24..33..12..07
35..11..19..18
15..28..14..20
03..15..20..22
19..34..34..33
00..15..17..25
29..29..26..26
32..32..00..23
09..05..00..22
29..15..26..19
To clarify, these four columns of numbers should be read vertically and consecutively!
Column A is the priority number/ indicator/establishment column,
NO WAGER!
Column B uses column A to indicate a TRULY RANDOM NUMBER from column A.
One chip is wagered S/U.
As can be seen, 29 is the first strike, followed on the VERY NEXT SPIN, with 32!.
So, after 12 wagers (column B), I had outlayed a TOTAL of 12 units, and returned a TOTAL of 70 units,  (profit of 58 units.
Cumulatively, (over the three columns A, B and C, I wagered 36 units total, for a PROFIT of 108 units, in less than one hour!
This is representative of an AVERAGE return, and I have no obligation to play through an (unlucky) grind-down, such as Martys or other progressives, and this methodology is open to all sorts of refinements according to individual tastes/styles of money management!
Should anyone doubt the simplicity and effectiveness of this method, feel free to play it hypothetically against, say, Spielbank Actuel archives.
Vary column lengths , have fun, be amazed, get some excitement back into your games, Good Luck!

I will definitely give this some testing. And get back.

But I think it's funny that, while disagreeing in principle, you then say that
you use that graph.  But then you say you play "intuitively".

I am sayin both too. Play with some guidelines, but also intuitively..

And it's funny. You can "just feel" what is going to happen next. After seeing
many many many, iterations of the flow of numbers and/or EC's.

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Bet selection / Re: The real problem to address!!!!
« on: January 18, 2017, 01:57:02 AM »
This was in one of the roulette books that GLC forwarded me some time back. The problem was the naughty twos when the ECs come in pairs and i landed in the 3rd game and then gave up. May be I should look at this method with all 3 ECs running at the same time.
This reminds me of the elastic progression from superman. The principle is very simple. He followed a simple FTL bet selection, much similar to last two. However he had a view on what a standard trend in the table looked like. He was using a up as you lose progression, but not a mechanical one with fancy names. He played and upped the stakes based on intuition and never steep. May be thats a way forward on the progression side.

I will repeat what I have said before. Decades ago I bought a system for $200.  "Craps business
program by Mr C". Al coggins was Mr C. Jim Ferr (a big presence in groups at the time) actually
met him in a casino. Said he earned his living from craps.

System? Wait for 2 (or 3) don't pass. Then bet pass. Once or twice. "If you lose, see if the table
will give it back". That kind of thing. Also claimed that "practicing rolling dice" was necessary to
know how the dice are flowing.

Can't dive all in, but I will say that decades ago I was able to corner the results of dice rolls
on my floor and predict the next roll. Not every roll, but the ones that I thought I could.
I also used it lightly at a live casino. And the 6 wins in a row I had today?  WellI was watching
the flow of the red/black.   runs of reds and blacks.  NLE, which is roulette form of Mr C.
Deciding if 2 in a row will be 3 based on some kind of neurological memory of pattern.

Not to get weird here. But you said it yourself and with this pattern I talk about, yes.
DOUBLES kill it. And isn't if funny how they come together? And even attached? They just do.

So Mr C did what he called the "movie test". You go to a movie and if you like it you stay.
IF you don't you leave. This is a form of that, but while you're watching for that pattern
in particular (while you build a took kit) and you see a double  (Two and a change and maybe
a 2nd).   RRBB........... MAYBE the next one will be RED?????????

In the world of doubles you stand to see RRBBRRBBRR. Something like that.

Maybe that's what Mr C was saying with dice at a craps table.


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Bet selection / Ignatuis
« on: January 17, 2017, 11:18:33 PM »
Have I done this before?

Well, I have no chip on my shoulder or argument.  It's just to point out again,
that Ignatius method results always look the same. What I mean by that is
they all climb slowly up, with large bankroll requirements (that I've seen),
and have these random large negative spikes.

We all get that.

Are they playable? Not sure.  Cause it gets to be a bit of a background hummmm, and
doesn't draw much attention to test or work out bugs.

Ignatius, there must be a slower more focused way to present some of these.

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Bet selection / The real problem to address!!!!
« on: January 17, 2017, 11:14:57 PM »
Reposting my thoughts from the 3 musketeers as a topic.  This area is ground zero, IMO.
It's not about the selection. It's about managing a good selection with the MM.

You can wait and watch the pendulum swing (as I did) and win 6 bets in a row, with
no losses. And have a positive result. Or you can salt and pepper a little bit of
a progression to mathematically help out.

But THIS is the area that needs study.


http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18431.msg171113;topicseen#msg171113
 

I keep trying to bring this up in threads, but no one seems interested.

You're thought process about "intuitive" bet selection is interesting and valid IMO.

What I have been ranting on lately is bet selection this way.
Look at the last two. If they are the same, play the same. If they change,
then play for the chop to continue. This captures streaks of both series and
chops. I have been studying this for a while.

There is NOTHING magic about it. Except it "keeps you on the road" while capitalizing
on streaks.

I have a paper here. I went today. Made $30 ($5 bets).
The results from each EC (including one zero) are as follows.

R/B  24 wins 18 loss
O/E  21 W  22 L
H/L  21W   21 L

Basically even. Now to blow the forum off the map, wouldn't it be correct that
NO ONE thinks that they, somehow, are going to win every spin?

That being said, the BEST selection method is one where you can get even.
SImple, stupid, obvious point.  THis seems to do it. Is it EXACT?  No.
Nothing is. But it certainly stays within bankroll tolerance of things.

While I was at the table at the end, and watching, this kid sat down next to me
with $100.  A streak of black was starting. 4-5 black.  He began chasing red.
(And wouldn't stop). Betting $15-$20.  Killed his $100 bankroll. He asked me
what I was writing and so forth. I explained it. Told him to NEVER fight a trend.
Maybe one bet for it to stop. But that's it.  I can tell he didn't get it.

Anyway, I've tried this a bunch of times with similar results. What it comes down to
(with capability of doing this), is that it we know WHAT will happen. We just don't
know in what order!!!!!!  HAving said that, if you let it, then a losing streak of
7-8 could KILL you. Unless you know you will recoup.

Working within these boundaries and finding the sweet spot for a D'alenbert or any
other means is the thing that needs to be studied. IF you know you will recover.

And that is what I'm looking at. Weather stopping after 2 losses.  Entry at better
times in the cycle?

But this cycle is where it's at. Unless you are happy with no cycle and push your
bankroll.

One idea I have is similar to the Oscar grind. Betting 1 unit on all the losses and then
going up on the wins.

Thoughts?

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Bet selection / Re: The Three Musketeers
« on: January 17, 2017, 11:07:52 PM »
I keep trying to bring this up in threads, but no one seems interested.

You're thought process about "intuitive" bet selection is interesting and valid IMO.

What I have been ranting on lately is bet selection this way.
Look at the last two. If they are the same, play the same. If they change,
then play for the chop to continue. This captures streaks of both series and
chops. I have been studying this for a while.

There is NOTHING magic about it. Except it "keeps you on the road" while capitalizing
on streaks.

I have a paper here. I went today. Made $30 ($5 bets).
The results from each EC (including one zero) are as follows.

R/B  24 wins 18 loss
O/E  21 W  22 L
H/L  21W   21 L

Basically even. Now to blow the forum off the map, wouldn't it be correct that
NO ONE thinks that they, somehow, are going to win every spin?

That being said, the BEST selection method is one where you can get even.
SImple, stupid, obvious point.  THis seems to do it. Is it EXACT?  No.
Nothing is. But it certainly stays within bankroll tolerance of things.

While I was at the table at the end, and watching, this kid sat down next to me
with $100.  A streak of black was starting. 4-5 black.  He began chasing red.
(And wouldn't stop). Betting $15-$20.  Killed his $100 bankroll. He asked me
what I was writing and so forth. I explained it. Told him to NEVER fight a trend.
Maybe one bet for it to stop. But that's it.  I can tell he didn't get it.

Anyway, I've tried this a bunch of times with similar results. What it comes down to
(with capability of doing this), is that it we know WHAT will happen. We just don't
know in what order!!!!!!  HAving said that, if you let it, then a losing streak of
7-8 could KILL you. Unless you know you will recoup.

Working within these boundaries and finding the sweet spot for a D'alenbert or any
other means is the thing that needs to be studied. IF you know you will recover.

And that is what I'm looking at. Weather stopping after 2 losses.  Entry at better
times in the cycle?

But this cycle is where it's at. Unless you are happy with no cycle and push your
bankroll.

One idea I have is similar to the Oscar grind. Betting 1 unit on all the losses and then
going up on the wins.

Thoughts?

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System Players Only (no advantage play) / Re: Idea based on streets
« on: January 14, 2017, 12:14:03 AM »
I get the point

I just won't play this for sessions

More of a few bets type of deal. Few units then lunch

So based on your continuous lunch references, is there a casino across the street?

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System Players Only (no advantage play) / Re: Idea based on streets
« on: January 12, 2017, 03:57:38 PM »
Very simple and easy method I began testing

I have tested 6 pages of zumma

I am trying to find a method with a hit rate that is safe to use with progression

So to reiterate my point.  A session that I played came up even with EC's.
And the progression was a bit of a white knucke.

"Safe to use with a progression"?

I think the progression is the thing to get fixed.

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System Players Only (no advantage play) / Re: Idea based on streets
« on: January 12, 2017, 03:53:27 PM »
There is a 59 step prog. for 1 Double street but you need 2000 units if betting 1 unit.   I have checked it against about 30 spin sets from Dublinbet posted on this forum.  Every set won in the end but there were some highs on the way.   What I did notice was that if before playing you check the history board and identify a D/S with 2 or 3 hits within first 10/12 spins then this is a d/S that is hot and it went on to win without any long prog.

Another thing that I have been trying (yes it has been done before sometime ago) is betting all 3 E/C`s to repeat previous.  Flat betting.  E/C`s should work out  about 50/50 but what I have noticed is that is can vary up to 10 units either way and will swing from one way to the other.  Keep playing until you are (say) 10 units in front then jump off.  Worst that I have had is break even.  No stress.  You do not have to work out what to bet.  Or bet opposite to last or alternate: it`s your choice.   Is differential betting appropriate for this (has progression)

Brian

I think that I agree with this 100%.  I have notice the same pendulum swing.

So now it seems like we have a toolkit of similar methods doing similar things.

I think that seeing a losing streak/trend on one and playing it to comeback might
be a way of jumping in and jumping out.

I am getting a lot more intuitive sitting at the table.

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