Play to Win Not to Play!

[GLC]

Dear forum,

It just dawned on me that for many of us, we go to the casino to play, not to win.

I admit that I'm guilty as charged.  I have often gone to the casino hoping to win 10 units.  I sit down at the table and within 15 minutes I win my 10 units.  But I think, "Rats, I drove all the way here for only 15 minutes of play?  I'll go for 10 more units."  What happens?  I wind up losing the 10 I won and then some more.

If we're going to be pros at this game, we need to go to win a target amount and when we win our target amount, no matter how short or long, we take our winnings and 'git outta there'.

GLC

[dino246]

As JL says.....Hit+run.............is the ONLY way to beat this game.
We musn"t be greedy,only Bankers and those in politics can build greed on greed and nine times out of ten get away with it.
Better to think unit profit than cash profit,that makes a pauper the same as a king.
Works for me,just a thought !!
Dino.

[rayhd63]

Hi GLC,

your talking out of my soul !!!

It happen allot to me. I go and play. After I have my target win after 2-3 hours , I am happy to get so far. And drive home thinking that was work with ups and downs.

BUT !! when I have it in 30 minutes...... Sh..t !!! What am I going to do ? Drive home ? Too early.... Keep playing roulette ? Ne-ah...
So I say to my self " OK, lets play BlackJack, only 50 Euros" that should last for 1 hour pleasure time    Then oops 20min later 50 Euros gone, damm....  Ok ,just another 50.........    and since it looks silly to the other players around you if you stand up , you change another.....

After driving home.... I'm so mad at my self.... I think this is pure discipline to learn....

PS. Funny thing here in Spain during my Vacation it works perfect !!!! Instead of swearing of in Blackjack, we drive home with a smile on our faces....

Ray

[VLS]

Dear GLC, most-interesting post. Thanks!

For accompanying to the concept of learning how to handle your "not so winning" sessions (specially when you are there for longer times),  I have published Play to win OR break even.

I think both posts can be seen as complementary 

[TwoCatSam]

George

May I bounce a theory off you. 

By the way, dino, it's not "Hit+Run", it's hit and win and run.  Only the "run" part is easy!

Still there, George?

Suppose you got the casino at exactly and precisely 10:00 AM.  You played until you had your profit goal and quit at exactly and precisely 10:30 AM. 

Now, since we're in cyberspace and can do anything, let's back time up.

Just before you went to the casino, your wife's mother called on the home phone.  No amount of explaining and logic by you could convince either to use the cell phone while you drove.  You fumed for thirty minutes while Aunt Gracie's appendectomy took center stage.

So you arrived at the casino at exactly and precisely 10:30 AM.  Because you are thirty minutes later, are you doomed to lose?

Would you be doomed to lose had Aunt Gracie not had surgery and you got the casino at the aforementioned 10:00 AM and played the 10:00 AM session followed by the 10:30 AM session?

So many of these well-intentioned people are basing the idea of winning or losing on the biggest gamble of all--sitting down at the exact correct moment.  George, let's face it, if we all could sit down just when 10 reds we about to hit, we'd all be rich.  But we can't........

The idea that you can sit down at the right time is as illusive as any system in roulette.  Time and the wheel will prove that you just can't do it.

I played baccarat yesterday on line for two hours.  I went up 100E and then down 100E.  If I had quit either time, I would have won or lost.  The one time I went up 105 E, I quit.  Simply because I was give out and making mistakes.  Trust me on this one:  The next shoe or next spin is a whole new world.  Only you are the same.  Tired people make mistakes.  Mistakes cause us to lose, not the game.

Go to the casino.  Play!  Time has no knowledge.  The wheel has no memory.  For all they know, you just walked through the door.

Samster

[GLC]

Sammy, "bounce off of" is the appropriate metaphor.  I don't know where it landed, but it bounced off of me.  HeHe


Hey, you remind me of a friend from my pool hall days.  His name was Alabammy Sammy.  Shot a mean cue.  Just a little crotchety at times.  He didn't mean no harm though.  Course, in a pool hall you never know when someone's hustling you.


Back to the topic.  What I meant was that we can get sloppy with our discipline when we spend so much time testing on paper and playing for amounts that don't mean much.


I have a friend who only plays baccarat and has to bet $25 units.  You can bet that most of what we talk about on this forum is unrealistic to him.  He squeezes every unit he can get like it's gold.  In a way it is gold.  He doesn't even consider a system that bets more than 5 units on a hand and even that's rare.


When you're playing for that kind of money, you win your 10 unit target and head for the door even if it only took 10 minutes.


I'm also not talking about Hit-N-Run.  I'm talking about having a win target pre-determined and when you hit it, leaving the casino.  Many times I have hung around the casino after reaching my win target and frittered away most if not all that I won and left frustrated at myself for not leaving when I should have.


GLC

[TwoCatSam]

GLC

Don't mean to be a cantankerous old goat.......BUT.........

If you fritter it away after you win it, what kept you from frittering it away before you won it?

And, yes, If I were betting 25 Euro I would make a couple hundred and get out!  Who can think at that level?  FLAT?  Natually, Mr J, and a few others.

Sam

[GLC]

GLC

Don't mean to be a cantankerous old goat.......BUT.........

If you fritter it away after you win it, what kept you from frittering it away before you won it?

And, yes, If I were betting 25 Euro I would make a couple hundred and get out!  Who can think at that level?  FLAT?  Natually, Mr J, and a few others.

Sam

The guy I'm referring to in the US so can't play cheap on the internet.

[bossdarling]

Hi GLC, I also play to win not only for fun. The funnest thing is the moment we withdraw the money from casino. LOL

I'm just a newbie. Spent 2 years learning roulette alone. Tons of live spin data, GB of excel formulas. I wouldn't need that painful learning if I joinned roulette forum like this earlier. LOL. Combining wonderful ideas came up in this forum, yes we can have a consistent winning method.

Only 2 months ago I play regularly, everyday, in "cheap" online casino. I only play dozens & columns, $5 bet. The average result is $100/hour. No windfall, just "fix income". I ALWAYS STOP when I get $200 (two hours with a break between).

BR is $549 (4 progressions, zero cover from 2nd prog). I always CUT LOSS in 3 prog ($163). If lose, it requires 2 extra hour to recover. It doesn't come very often anyway, LOL.

I use the same philosophy of Winkler's "watch what's going on" (pattern reading); VLS' "dont force ourselves when the winning curve is over" (unfavourable pattern); F_LAT's uncle tom; Vile's tic-tac; Gizmotron's dominant dozens; JL's patience (I don't play every spins, only 2x in 6 spins, a "scheduled hit n run" LOL); etc. Too long to write 1 by 1, but I learned a lot from all of you guys.

And the most similar philosophy to me is Hermes' Imbalance Roulette. Order (balance) out of chaos (imbalance). I think that's what roulette is all about.

The funny thing is, after finding the method, now I am worry my online casino would ban me someday, LOL. I read that soggett's account is closed, after winning only $190. Also learned that land casino banned Pelayo family. Casinos don't mind if we get big wins, as long as someday we get big loses. That's what gambling is all about. But, I presume, they don't like little-but-consistent winners.

Now I'm really lost. LMFAO