New consept that has never being seen before that may produce a flat EC winner

[Master_of_pockets]

yes bayes this is what I thought too when I saw that the accurasy of the system wasn t the expected one.

So can u help in taking the best possible advantage that we can with this concept?

[Bayes]

Since you've been overestimating the deviations, the results may be better if they're accurately measured. Apart from that, I'll give it some thought as to other ways of using the concept. 

[Master_of_pockets]

thanks man.
You and ego was the 1st members that come on my mind for tweaking when I thought to post the concept.

[Bayes]

For what it's worth, 5 STD's is about the limit. Of course you can get freak events like 32 reds in a row (-5.7 STD's) The worst I've seen on the EC's is 5 reds in 40 spins (-4.7). Even something like 700 spins without a number hitting is only -4.4. What you have to be careful of with chasing deviations is that because you're looking for them, you will see extreme deviations more often than if you weren't. Sadly, that's the case with all triggers, so often this cancels out any advantage you think you might get by waiting for the trigger.

[Drazen]

For what it's worth, 5 STD's is about the limit. Of course you can get freak events like 32 reds in a row (-5.7 STD's) The worst I've seen on the ECs is 5 reds in 40 spins (-4.7). Even something like 700 spins without a number hitting is only -4.4. What you have to be careful of with chasing deviations is that because you're looking for them, you will see extreme deviations more often than if you weren't. Sadly, that's the case with all triggers, so often this cancels out any advantage you think you might get by waiting for the trigger.

@ MOP

So in the end you are the one who got this a bit wrong, you see?

Anyway mr. MOP to play with deviations (especialy Marigny) you will definitely need software tracker. Because to do that just by your skills is very very hard and "painfull for patience" in real conditions. Even for the one who have extreme patience, still need to obtain same level of concentration at the same time...

I realy hope forum together with you will develop something on Marigny base + tracker for it.

Will it be public? I dont care i have my own

Cheers

Drazen

[Master_of_pockets]

I have personaly witness  z-score of 6.3 and as ego says he has too.If z-score is not STD then I was refairing to an other thing.
Anyway i just care for the bigger picture here and this is how to take advantage of this multytracking concept way.

Bayes an other way that I have though is to bet for the deviations to grow but only for a little number os spins...then reset and do the same...

it is supposed that by doing it we are catching the runs and the changes by only hunting the Runs.

think of it and tell me.

[Shadowman]

MOP

I too like this concept, thanks for posting, havent a clue if it gives any kind of advantage or not. 

However a couple of years ago I was looking at something that could be a 3rd cousin to this whereby I was tracking 37, 18 pocket sectors on the wheel at the same time looking for patterns etc.  what i like about your approach is in respect of using several columns that are deviating rather than just one,  which is an obvious idea that flew right past me at the time. I may revisit it.

one other thing where can I find more information about Marigny de Grillaeus??? ideas as any search that I do across the internet seems to come up with incomplete threads on forums, or information in another language from english.

Thanks again

Mike

[Bayes]

I found Malcop's explanation a little confusing so I'm not sure I understand exactly how you've been playing, but one way worth trying is to calculate the z-score for each event/stream of data and divide by the number of of events which are indicating a certain tendency, then compare this average with the other side. For example -

You have 10 events/streams recorded and each one has its own z-score. Let's say the z-scores are like this:

Event 1 = -1.3
Event 2 = +0.5
Event 3 = +1.1
Event 4 = -2.2
Event 5 = +1.6
Event 6 = -0.9
Event 7 = +0.8
Event 8 = -1.4
Event 9 = -2.4
Event 10 = +0.3

Now let's suppose you have defined Chops = +ve z-score and Runs = -ve z-score. You add up the the negative and positive z-scores separately:

For Chops - 0.5 + 1.1 + 1.6 + 0.8 + 0.3 = 4.3, and 4.3/5 = +0.86

For Runs - -1.3 -2.2 -0.9 - 1.4 -2.4 = -8.2, and -8.2/5 = -1.6

So depending on whether you want to bet for a correction or a continuation, you would bet against Runs or for them. Also, you may want to wait until the z-score reaches some predetermined value, such as +/- 2.5 or 3.0. Some trial and error needed here. 

But the main thing is it's valid to add up the z-scores and divide to get the average, then you can make a decision based on the result.

[malcop]

Hi All,

WOW I have been away all day, and come back to a bit of a debate going on, can we all play nicely 

BTW MOP told me I made some mistakes in the PDF I posted, that may be true it was pretty late when I completed it, so as soon as I can get hold of MOP I will make any correctins needed.

Thanks

malcop

[malcop]

MOP

I too like this concept, thanks for posting, haven't a clue if it gives any kind of advantage or not. 

However a couple of years ago I was looking at something that could be a 3rd cousin to this whereby I was tracking 37, 18 pocket sectors on the wheel at the same time looking for patterns etc.  what i like about your approach is in respect of using several columns that are deviating rather than just one,  which is an obvious idea that flew right past me at the time. I may revisit it.

one other thing where can I find more information about Marigny de Grillaeus??? ideas as any search that I do across the internet seems to come up with incomplete threads on forums, or information in another language from English.

Thanks again

Mike

Hi Shadowman,

This is the link I have found very usefull from the vlsroulette site : link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=18185.0

Thanks

malcop

[TwoCatSam]

WOW I have been away all day, and come back to a bit of a debate going on, can we all play nicely 
malcop

Hmmmmmm

I thought it was a very civil debate.  Did I miss the mud?

Dang!

Sam

[malcop]

Hmmmmmm

I thought it was a very civil debate.  Did I miss the mud?

Dang!

Sam

Hi Sam,

Yes it has been very civil, but you know how quickly these things can go south!


malcop

[malcop]

OK Turns out I did not make a mistake in my documnt 

[malcop]

I found Malcop's explanation a little confusing so I'm not sure I understand exactly how you've been playing, but one way worth trying is to calculate the z-score for each event/stream of data and divide by the number of of events which are indicating a certain tendency, then compare this average with the other side. For example -

You have 10 events/streams recorded and each one has its own z-score. Let's say the z-scores are like this:

Event 1 = -1.3
Event 2 = +0.5
Event 3 = +1.1
Event 4 = -2.2
Event 5 = +1.6
Event 6 = -0.9
Event 7 = +0.8
Event 8 = -1.4
Event 9 = -2.4
Event 10 = +0.3

Now let's suppose you have defined Chops = +ve z-score and Runs = -ve z-score. You add up the the negative and positive z-scores separately:

For Chops - 0.5 + 1.1 + 1.6 + 0.8 + 0.3 = 4.3, and 4.3/5 = +0.86

For Runs - -1.3 -2.2 -0.9 - 1.4 -2.4 = -8.2, and -8.2/5 = -1.6

So depending on whether you want to bet for a correction or a continuation, you would bet against Runs or for them. Also, you may want to wait until the z-score reaches some predetermined value, such as +/- 2.5 or 3.0. Some trial and error needed here. 

But the main thing is it's valid to add up the z-scores and divide to get the average, then you can make a decision based on the result.

Hi Bayes,

If you could tell me what part of the document you found confusing, then I update that part of the document with clearer instruction.

Also the Z-score has nothing to do with how the Events are updated, neither is z-score used to find a selection to bet on.

Those figures were from previous versions we tried, at the moment it is all based on the diffrence between the Run & Change for each event.

Thanks

malcop

[Master_of_pockets]

Yes bayes my 1st idea was to add the z scores and then take out the one from the other and bet the biggest one....but it didn t work