An effort to help some members get out of the worst gambing fallacy

[Master_of_pockets]

The worst GF  for a roulette player is when he thinks that the HIT and RUN will help him avoid the house edge and ride only on the good fluctuations that will favour their system/systems.
They trend to think that with the hit and run approach their results will be a lot better than by playing continuously.

When you hear from players that are winning for months or maybe even years this doesn't mean that in the next visit plays they will not give their winning away + the BR.

We have all seen systems that passed 10.000 or more spins with profit because the good fluctuation on the particular spins helped their system to win on those partcular spins.But we also all know that after those 10.000 or more spins the system tanked badly giving all the winnings back + the BR.

This is the same things that is happening with the real play...in let s say in 100 visits the luck was on your side and won a great amount of money....but then as you continue to play the same thing with the 10.000 spins graph will happen in real play.after the 10.000 spins it will tank.

And those who think that 10.000 or more spins that their system passed in the testing is s a great amount of spins to win so they won t play more spins to lose is also a big fallacy that is coming from the luck of knowledge.
Because if they had tested the same system in an other set of 10.000 spins it is possible that the system won t be able to produce even +1 chip....because the bad fluctuation happened from the beginning....
So in the end of the day the point is NOT how many spins a system can pass...because this is just LUCK based on the certain set of spins that the system was tested on....
The real deal is the system to be able to pass ANY given set of spins and be able to always make +1 from the previous high.
Then If the above is happening we are speaking about a system that can win more than it loses...in other words a long run winner and in other words the H.G.

By using a system that is a loser by playing/testing it in continuous spins it doesn't mean that with a hit and run approach the system will perform better... SIMPLY BECAUSE WE NEVER KNOW WHEN WE SIT AT THE TABLE AND START PLAYING IF THE SPINS THAT ARE ABOUT TO BE SPUNED WILL FAVOUR OR KILL THE SYSTEM
By the above global rule is obvious that playing continuously or playing playing hit and run the result will be the same...because the betting spins are added and making it be the same in the long run.

I hope some members will be favoured from this thread....if not then it s their life and they can do what ever they like.
 

[Robeenhuut]

The worst GF  for a roulette player is when he thinks that the HIT and RUN will help him avoid the house edge and ride only on the good fluctuations that will favour their system/systems.
They trend to think that with the hit and run approach their results will be a lot better than by playing continuously.

When you hear from players that are winning for months or maybe even years this doesn't mean that in the next visit plays they will not give their winning away + the BR.

We have all seen systems that passed 10.000 or more spins with profit because the good fluctuation on the particular spins helped their system to win on those partcular spins.But we also all know that after those 10.000 or more spins the system tanked badly giving all the winnings back + the BR.

This is the same things that is happening with the real play...in let s say in 100 visits the luck was on your side and won a great amount of money....but then as you continue to play the same thing with the 10.000 spins graph will happen in real play.after the 10.000 spins it will tank.

And those who think that 10.000 or more spins that their system passed in the testing is s a great amount of spins to win so they won t play more spins to lose is also a big fallacy that is coming from the luck of knowledge.
Because if they had tested the same system in an other set of 10.000 spins it is possible that the system won t be able to produce even +1 chip....because the bad fluctuation happened from the beginning....
So in the end of the day the point is NOT how many spins a system can pass...because this is just LUCK based on the certain set of spins that the system was tested on....
The real deal is the system to be able to pass ANY given set of spins and be able to always make +1 from the previous high.
Then If the above is happening we are speaking about a system that can win more than it loses...in other words a long run winner and in other words the H.G.

By using a system that is a loser by playing/testing it in continuous spins it doesn't mean that with a hit and run approach the system will perform better... SIMPLY BECAUSE WE NEVER KNOW WHEN WE SIT AT THE TABLE AND START PLAYING IF THE SPINS THAT ARE ABOUT TO BE SPUNED WILL FAVOUR OR KILL THE SYSTEM
By the above global rule is obvious that playing continuously or playing playing hit and run the result will be the same...because the betting spins are added and making it be the same in the long run.

I hope some members will be favoured from this thread....if not then it s their life and they can do what ever they like.

Its like a mass so i say  Hallelujah     Anyway lets go and find an infallible system.....

[F_LAT_INO]

We players did find it,but those that rarely play and test zillion spins/they can't understand
that casino night session last 350-400 spins/will never find it.Why??couse they are looking
for infalible zillion spins session/and we players are aware  it doesn't exist/that is  why we only
play 300 spins.

[Master_of_pockets]

I am glad Robeen that you  are one of the least in here that can understand simple maths and logic and u aren t in the hole of the GF.
So you have my respect.
There are more people that are out of the GF like speed,beretta etc.

As for for F_LAT_INO I can t say anything except that he will never see the light because he will never understand that those 300 spins sessions are adding up as he plays and the result is once again a long run play.
He will always be testing systems in 300 spins and if they are passing  them he will  be claiming he has the H.G(AGAIN for the 50th time) and he will start playing it posting about his winning results....when the system will tank he will never post it but we can always understand that it tanked because he is posted a new system. 
And when you use the expression "WE players" it more accurate using the expression "WE gamblers"

We love you F_LAT_INO !

[F_LAT_INO]

I play every day 200-400 spins.....every day..in the morning now..earning for my daily needs.
Know that you can not believe,but am winning....EVERY DAY...how come.

[ddarko]

Herb stated @ VLS many many moons ago :-

test a system for 10,000 placed bets !!!!!

That's good enough for me 

[Robeenhuut]

Herb stated @ VLS many many moons ago :-

test a system for 10,000 placed bets !!!!!

That's good enough for me 

Who is Herb?  A new guru i missed?  As a matter of fact you need 50k and 500k for systems with flatbetting or progression and  z-score of more than 4 on top of that.  Happy testing.....

[ddarko]

Who is Herb?  A new guru i missed?  As a matter of fact you need 50k and 500k for systems with flatbetting or progression and  z-score of more than 4 on top of that.  Happy testing.....

Herb is Snowman, you know the guy from GG perhaps ??

He plays / played VB bias wheels etc etc PLUS he won & also wrote a book about it. As I don't know you from Adam I will stick with Herb's 10,000 placed bets thanks 

[Ralph]

You never know when a play will go into a loss. The risks will increase with the number of spins.

If you play 200-300 spins a day, it will not so likely it will go to bust, as if you run for 10000 on paper.
If the test pas 10000 on paper it is no proof it will not fail. quite opposite, it should have been better
do them in real play, some 100 spins at the time.

We will all meat losses, some soon some will it take longer time. Some win for very long time.

And luck is the major part if we survive. 

I know of players won a lot, in short time, and then start to lose, and also know a few who seems to never lose, they use to win less at the time, playing at lower risk.

Everyone who win much in short time are lucky, as you can't win much witout risking much.

Its unlikely somebody win all the time for years, but on the other hand not impossible.

You see a few "Rentner" at every German casino.

[Master_of_pockets]

Herb is Snowman, you know the guy from GG perhaps ??

He plays / played VB bias wheels etc etc PLUS he won & also wrote a book about it. As I don't know you from Adam I will stick with Herb's 10,000 placed bets thanks 

There are a lot of systems that need a huge BR because of the progression needed that can pass some 10.000 betting spins.
But even with those systems You can t make more money than the losing money.

But IF herb/snowman ment 10.000 spins FLATbetting then he is right.
And If he said that about 10.000 spins test then I am sure he ment flatbetting because he is a person that he has a great knowledge in roulette.
We had spoken a lot of times in the past through MSN

[ddarko]

@ Ralph

I always test per 100 spin sessions therefore it would be 100 sessions of 100 spins 

A 100 spin session is just about enough before I'd need a nappy to play 

[ddarko]

There are a lot of systems that need a huge BR because of the progression needed that can pass some 10.000 betting spins.
But even with those systems You can t make more money than the losing money.

The stuff I test and fail with is always flat betting......

[superman]

As for for F_LAT_INO I can t say anything except that he will never see the light because he will never understand that those 300 spins sessions are adding up as he plays and the result is once again a long run play

Agreed, that's probably why his systems change .......... often, as eventually a bad run hits, which he does report to the forum then morphs the sustem or just abandones it completey.

I play every day 200-400 spins.....every day..in the morning now..earning for my daily needs.
Know that you can not believe,but am winning....EVERY DAY...how come

Luck?

We players did find it,but those that rarely play and test zillion spins/they can't understand
that casino night session last 350-400 spins/will never find it.Why

It's been said to you many times, we who test for zillions of spins want to see what COULD eventually happen to a method/system, the fact that every method posted here hits a wall within 5 minutes of RNG testing upsets some people, especially those who posted the system in the first place, me and a lot of other members would rather know before hand if the risk is too high, for the life of me I can't understand those that want to keep their heads burried in the sand other than to have others thanking them for their wonderful method/system, some people just love the attention I guess.

[F_LAT_INO]

Agreed, that's probably why his systems change .......... often, as eventually a bad run hits, which he does report to the forum then morphs the sustem or just abandones it completey.
 
Luck?--constant repeats --air ball mach.
 
It's been said to you many times, we who test for zillions of spins want to see what COULD eventually happen to a method/system, the fact that every method posted here hits a wall within 5 minutes of RNG testing upsets some people, especially those who posted the system in the first place, me and a lot of other members would rather know before hand if the risk is too high, for the life of me I can't understand those that want to keep their heads burried in the sand other than to have others thanking them for their wonderful method/system, some people just love the attention I guess.

--to me this is just having fun,constant exploring,new ideas waiting that some genius finally crack it.You think I'm not aware of
the fact that you can't beat this thing with all known poss.---but you
can with diff. approaches...but you wouldn't know it as you have to
experience it to believe it is possible.

[Master_of_pockets]

Air ball . dealer wheel or fair RNG are the exact same things....Random generators.

If someone knows the phisics of the game he can understand that all the above are producing random outcomes(with exception the tiled wheels that are being played with VB and the biased wheels that are being played with Bias style play.