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[ginger]

LUCK :

When preparation meets opportunity .




Tamino

     Hello Tamino,

Is it this what you mean to say.............:

A skilled rouletteplayer is one who has made lucky guesses based on scientific theories which are imperfectly understood.

Cheers

John           Rotterdam

[Mare]

Eternal mystery, live roulette or rng ?!

When we think of roulette as well as the system that we play, we must always have in head the cycle of 37 spins (European roulette).
Provided that the casino is fair to players, each cycle of 37 spins will have to fulfill the laws of nature, regardless of whether playing, live or RNG or even draw on the numbers from a bag.This is interesting, if we put in a bag 37 numbers and pulled out 37 times Of course each extracted again return, we would get the same result here, which I hope, everyone knows.
In all three variants will be the same thing, will come out 2/3 of that
1/3 will be repeated and the other numbers is not come out, that remains the third sleepers in each cycle.Now everyone will say, well we all know it, and I agree, every little bit serious player needs to know this, but what about the variations of the above.Variations do exist as in nature and life, but even among them there laws.
This is a very important moment, because in that a good system differs from the average.
Deviations can also happen in cycles, and these are times when good
system survives a bad fall.Each system operates on the principle of waiting for something to happen, or that the number or sector to repeat or that sector or sleeper awake.
The point is to survive to win.

Angels with you 

[Bayes]

If DS is real, the outcome from wheel should not be random, they publish spins from casinos, which can be tested for randomness, in not any case I know in modern time they fail the test.

Ralph, I think one of the reasons why these kinds of discussions are endless is because of the word "random".

What does it actually mean?

Random can mean different things depending on the circumstances and application.

If "random" was some objective property of data, then it would be easy to determine what's random and what isn't, but there is no single test you can do in order to find out whether data is random. The data may seem random in one respect, but may not be random in another. It's impossible to definitively prove randomness (see link:://:.random.org/analysis/). Also, whether something is random depends on what information you have - what seems random to someone with limited information can be non-random to someone else with more information, so in that sense random is subjective.

And, if roulette is purely a game of luck (as you say), then how can anyone possibly win in the long-term? No-one can be consistently lucky, the very nature of luck is to be capricious, and there's nothing you can do about it, so what's the point of using systems, money-management etc?

I believe that roulette is a game of skill.

[Ralph]

Ralph, I think one of the reasons why these kinds of discussions are endless is because of the word "random".

What does it actually mean?

Random can mean different things depending on the circumstances and application.

If "random" was some objective property of data, then it would be easy to determine what's random and what isn't, but there is no single test you can do in order to find out whether data is random. The data may seem random in one respect, but may not be random in another. It's impossible to definitively prove randomness (see link:://:.random.org/analysis/). Also, whether something is random depends on what information you have - what seems random to someone with limited information can be non-random to someone else with more information, so in that sense random is subjective.

And, if roulette is purely a game of luck (as you say), then how can anyone possibly win in the long-term? No-one can be consistently lucky, the very nature of luck is to be capricious, and there's nothing you can do about it, so what's the point of using systems, money-management etc?

I believe that roulette is a game of skill.

I do not think it does not it matter how you play, in that meaning it is skill in it.
It is the speaking of some methods as visulas ballistic, dealers signature and some other
ways of trying to predict the balls landing. The success if it is any, is they just are lucky.

It matter how you handle the bankroll, and even the bets, its not smart to bet 10 on LOW and hedge on HIGH with 5 units. A MM which can stand a losing streak needs some skill.

That is random is not easy to say, but even if it looks strange, they test for randomness, using
methods. In short randomness should not be predictable.

Nobody can really be sure she will win. Nobody can tell the next spins, it is a guess, if you guess
using a method or not. 

I am not sure if any statistical methods will work, I do not think it is possible to know when a STD change to even out. On the other hand if you know  STD  it can advice the choice, but not tell you
more than it may be better to use this information, still a guess, but may be the better one.

[F_LAT_INO]

Large BR,topping last,penulimate and furthest,with mini sessions,results
in quick profit without any risk...afternoon repeat the procedure,and if you
need more you can have evening session also...3 times a day about 3 hours
in all.........talking about lines in pairs,rolling fashion.No deviation problems
here with proper BR......ONLY WAY.

[Ralph]

FLAT

I agree, trying to win, with a narrow bankroll will not work for long. Downdraw you can never avoid, and sometimes it is quite much. In most of the cases it turns to a win, sometimes at least
make the loss not too heavy, and by the time recoverable.

It  is a minor probability, any size of a bankroll will not do, this is a risk we have to take.
As long the bankroll is a bankroll and not meant for other expenses its Ok.
Many other who not play spend a lot of money in their hobbies.

I have sometime  been down in the order of several 1000 units, and should not survive
without a decent bankroll.

[F_LAT_INO]

--Playing it with breaks in mini sessions/no continous long play/
  can't hurt.Try and you will see.

[Twisteruk]

I believe that roulette is a game of skill.

Could you expand on that a little plz Bayes ?
I understand games of Skill. For example, 10 pin bowling is Skill as is Darts. You can practise until you are as good as your body will let you be.
Do you practise Roulette ? And in what way do you improve your Skill ?

[amk]

Hello MrE!!


Glad to have you onboard!


I have not been able to read all of the posts by many great players (some researchers, as myself )
I look forward to reading them.


I would say, "If it ain't broke don't fix it".


You have been playing roulette (RNG) in a winning fashion, just imagine if that 1000 BR was 10,000......


But as I said, if ain't broke don't fix it


Thanks for sharing MrE, hope you will stay around.


AMK

[GLC]

MrE doesn't seem to be able to post further on this topic.

He has sent me a final e-mail and I thought to be fair to him, I would post it for him.

It doesn't seem to be inappropriate.


Hi George, for some reason I have trouble emailing you directly, so I have to go through the forum..... I'm deleting the forum from my favs list because I just can't be dealing with idiots.... on top of that, my last post has not appeared and is no longer "awaiting approval", so I can only surmise that the moderators don't intend to let me defend myself.... it makes you wonder just how much the moderators actually police the forum, I never deleted the offending posts because I thought that I would be able to have my say, but I've been shackled.... anyway, that makes no difference now because I won't be posting or reading this forum again, but I feel that I owe YOU something, even if it's just for your politeness..... So, in regards to RNG's versus "live" play.... these guys are talking out of their bottoms when they discard RNG play just because they've had a bad experience, they just don't know that much after all.... how do I know???.... because, before I retired 15 years ago I worked on the RNG wing of a British bookmaker..... they are NOT totally random.... RNG's are my friends.... Bye George, all the best.... MrE

[amk]

This can't be, MrE banned after two posts?


It would be great if the mods could explain this.


I think there has been some kind of misunderstanding some how.


It would be great to see more MrE threads and posts.


How can this be???


ps
Lions Den?

[ginger]

MrE doesn't seem to be able to post further on this topic.

He has sent me a final e-mail and I thought to be fair to him, I would post it for him.

It doesn't seem to be inappropriate.


Hi George, for some reason I have trouble emailing you directly, so I have to go through the forum..... I'm deleting the forum from my favs list because I just can't be dealing with idiots.... on top of that, my last post has not appeared and is no longer "awaiting approval", so I can only surmise that the moderators don't intend to let me defend myself.... it makes you wonder just how much the moderators actually police the forum, I never deleted the offending posts because I thought that I would be able to have my say, but I've been shackled.... anyway, that makes no difference now because I won't be posting or reading this forum again, but I feel that I owe YOU something, even if it's just for your politeness..... So, in regards to RNG's versus "live" play.... these guys are talking out of their bottoms when they discard RNG play just because they've had a bad experience, they just don't know that much after all.... how do I know???.... because, before I retired 15 years ago I worked on the RNG wing of a British bookmaker..... they are NOT totally random.... RNG's are my friends.... Bye George, all the best.... MrE

  Hello GLC,

Not a very kind person isn't.

Cheers


John     Rotterdam

[Skakus]

>> in regards to RNG's versus "live" play.... these guys are talking out of their bottoms when they discard RNG play just because they've had a bad experience, they just don't know that much after all.... how do I know???.... because, before I retired 15 years ago I worked on the RNG wing of a British bookmaker..... they are NOT totally random.... RNG's are my friends.... Bye George, all the best.... MrE <<

and now all the suckers start sending PM's to MrE (which work perectly fine as does the rest of his account I suspect) in a hope to be handed his magical formula to beat rng's.

Bring your money with you! 

[dino246]

What was it that the golfer Gary Player used to say........The more i practice,the luckier i get.

Just a thought.

Dino.

[Ralph]

I recall a test we did in 1972. We had 16 cards, and there was 4 different cards 4 each.
With a circle, a cross, a square, a line and  three waved lines.
A quite large number of people under strict control, they just were able to guess the cards, and not see the dealer.

A dealer took a card, the person guessed, and was not allowed to see the card, after 16 guesses,
we note down the results.
The dealer was supervised by two persons, the guessing person could not see them.

After 50 tests on each, we took the the 10 best results for 2000 trials.

The best result was 4,98 and the worse 3.57, most other close to 4.

The average should be 4.0 four of a kind in 16 cards.

How to explain it, just by chance or luck, resp no luck?

It was over 2000 trials, shows you can guess rather good for long time.
Any supernatural factor I do not consider.