The Lions Den

[Turner]

and now all the suckers start sending PM's to MrE (which work perectly fine as does the rest of his account I suspect) in a hope to be handed his magical formula to beat rng's.

Bring your money with you! 

Funny skakus...i have this same anti con man defense mechanism continuously running. Do you ever tire of saying "told you so"
I dont lol.
Turner

[Twisteruk]

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[Turner]

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Good point

[Bayes]

Could you expand on that a little plz Bayes ?
I understand games of Skill. For example, 10 pin bowling is Skill as is Darts. You can practise until you are as good as your body will let you be.
Do you practise Roulette ? And in what way do you improve your Skill ?

It's not a skill in the sense of bowling or darts, except maybe if you're using some kind of advantage play like VB or bias, then you have to practice getting the timings right, spotting light reflections etc.

With anything else, the only "skill" is being able to make the right decision - what to bet on and how much, so I suppose that's more a question of knowledge. But you can learn good money management, probability theory etc, and of course you need to develop the art of self-discipline.

The skill is in working on those aspects of the game which you have control over. I think there IS some merit in learning to "read random", but this is likely to be dismissed as voodoo.  The only thing I can suggest is to give it a try. My results are inconclusive. 

[Proofreaders2000]

I think there IS some merit in learning to "read random", but this is likely to be dismissed as voodoo.--Bayes

There is an inherent danger in pursuing the Grail with Roulette (if you want to get into the total of all of the numbers on the wheel). 

Point is not to take this game too seriously.


 

[ego]

It's not a skill in the sense of bowling or darts, except maybe if you're using some kind of advantage play like VB or bias, then you have to practice getting the timings right, spotting light reflections etc.

With anything else, the only "skill" is being able to make the right decision - what to bet on and how much, so I suppose that's more a question of knowledge. But you can learn good money management, probability theory etc, and of course you need to develop the art of self-discipline.

The skill is in working on those aspects of the game which you have control over. I think there IS some merit in learning to "read random", but this is likely to be dismissed as voodoo.  The only thing I can suggest is to give it a try. My results are inconclusive. 

I have the same line of thinking as Bayes - but i would express my opinion a littel different.
First i would say that you should start from the right angel to have the knowledge to determine what is a bad way to play the game and what is a good way to play the game.

To do just that you have to know your own limits and what you are allow to do and what you are up against.
So lets say you have 1K then you need to apply bankroll management.
Lets say you split the bankroll into 250 250 250 250 then you know that each visit will only allow you to risk 250 into one game or several games depending on if you are going to split your 250.

That puts us to money management and more limits.
Now lets say you have 250 Euro and minimum is 10 Euro for even money position - then you have a total of 25 units.

Now you can see that you can not use on huge agressive progression and go all in to win a small %.
Now you see that it does not exist many options left for staking plans as you only have 25 units.

Then you set up the games to play and might have a Loss-Limit at 10 units and a win target at 3 units.
Now you see it does not exist any sloppy of fuzzy game plan to win 3 units using 10 units.

But you have skills and know that you can win four sessions out of five based upon this strategy with your bet selection.
You have developed a method based upon does principals.

That is a raw blue print with the line of thinking you should have and could come in any combination to split and cut bankroll management and money management.
The key is that does elements force you to avoid anything that does not needs skills to succed with.

The game plan can be based upon winning two session out of three and you know you will have a positive net gain.

This makes 70% of all post at this forum being garbage and almost every bet selection you see comes with one big bankroll with one big progression that goes all in to win a small %.
There is no skills into that kind of game plan or playing model.

[Ralph]

We try all, and use that's work. We can in fact be smarter, by experience, but we still do not know the future outcome.
Every thought of something due, may it be EC or STD, its a game of chance at the end.

You well know all the fallacies, wait for 5 spins bet the last, wait for 5 spins bet the most back.
If red bet black, if red bet red.

If STD 3 assume it will grow  assume it will hover, make some virtual bets. 
Look at the marque, see the trend, bet against bet follow.

Name it all, you will find players with all kinds of knowledge.

Read random is not possible, but you can be lucky, and think you can until RFH.

I do all above, that's the only way, as we do not have other ways, and not want it boring.
I am aware it is most of all luck.
Still there is skill,  by that means not to play in a stupid way.

In other sections of life you will find successful people, believing in theire skills, and do not
count theire luck.  Skill is for the handy man. Not the players or Wall Street, game is a game.

The only skill there are, do not do any stupid thing, in gambling and finance that's a good rule.

[ego]

I have the same line of thinking as Bayes - but i would express my opinion a littel different.
First i would say that you should start from the right angel to have the knowledge to determine what is a bad way to play the game and what is a good way to play the game.

To do just that you have to know your own limits and what you are allow to do and what you are up against.
So lets say you have 1K then you need to apply bankroll management.
Lets say you split the bankroll into 250 250 250 250 then you know that each visit will only allow you to risk 250 into one game or several games depending on if you are going to split your 250.

That puts us to money management and more limits.
Now lets say you have 250 Euro and minimum is 10 Euro for even money position - then you have a total of 25 units.

Now you can see that you can not use on huge agressive progression and go all in to win a small %.
Now you see that it does not exist many options left for staking plans as you only have 25 units.

Then you set up the games to play and might have a Loss-Limit at 10 units and a win target at 3 units.
Now you see it does not exist any sloppy of fuzzy game plan to win 3 units using 10 units.

But you have skills and know that you can win four sessions out of five based upon this strategy with your bet selection.
You have developed a method based upon does principals.

That is a raw blue print with the line of thinking you should have and could come in any combination to split and cut bankroll management and money management.
The key is that does elements force you to avoid anything that does not needs skills to succed with.

The game plan can be based upon winning two session out of three and you know you will have a positive net gain.

This makes 70% of all post at this forum being garbage and almost every bet selection you see comes with one big bankroll with one big progression that goes all in to win a small %.
There is no skills into that kind of game plan or playing model.

Well the point is to start from the right end of things ...

[Robeenhuut]

I have the same line of thinking as Bayes - but i would express my opinion a littel different.
First i would say that you should start from the right angel to have the knowledge to determine what is a bad way to play the game and what is a good way to play the game.

To do just that you have to know your own limits and what you are allow to do and what you are up against.
So lets say you have 1K then you need to apply bankroll management.
Lets say you split the bankroll into 250 250 250 250 then you know that each visit will only allow you to risk 250 into one game or several games depending on if you are going to split your 250.

That puts us to money management and more limits.
Now lets say you have 250 Euro and minimum is 10 Euro for even money position - then you have a total of 25 units.

Now you can see that you can not use on huge agressive progression and go all in to win a small %.
Now you see that it does not exist many options left for staking plans as you only have 25 units.

Then you set up the games to play and might have a Loss-Limit at 10 units and a win target at 3 units.
Now you see it does not exist any sloppy of fuzzy game plan to win 3 units using 10 units.

But you have skills and know that you can win four sessions out of five based upon this strategy with your bet selection.
You have developed a method based upon does principals.

That is a raw blue print with the line of thinking you should have and could come in any combination to split and cut bankroll management and money management.
The key is that does elements force you to avoid anything that does not needs skills to succed with.

The game plan can be based upon winning two session out of three and you know you will have a positive net gain.

This makes 70% of all post at this forum being garbage and almost every bet selection you see comes with one big bankroll with one big progression that goes all in to win a small %.
There is no skills into that kind of game plan or playing model.

The single most important factor is big BR. Why would you like to split your BR and risk only 25% of it or aim to win certain numbers of sessions like 2 out of 3? It would only make you feel better in a case of a loss. For me you stand much better chance of winning in the long run by going for 100u by risking 1000u then doing 10/100u. If you look at a performance of any system in a larger number of spins then you always see up and down patterns. If you stay on the pattern long enough to overcome bigger draw downs then you can recover and make some profit. If you bail out too quickly too often hoping for better session next time you will lose. Stay with something you believe in but give yourself a fighting chance.  Everything will most probably fail played continuously in 1M spins but 3000 sessions of 300 spins if necessary when added up may produce a winner. I guess that FLAT might have more than 1M spins under his belt already and some of us too but including testing
Its just a common sense to me.

[ginger]

Its just a common sense to me.

You are right Robeenhuut , that's the most important part of everything.

Stop in time if you have no luck that day ....tomorrow is another day.

link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=1W9-1j8aFc0#


Cheers

John              Rotterdam

[ego]

How stupid is that - any one can use one big bankroll with a small win % and win for weeks or mounths - then lose it all.
No control or hint what happen - there is no skills into that.

But if you have control of your bankrolls growth with the help of money management and winning two out of three or three out of three session in a row you know your variance based upon a game plan with skills

[Robeenhuut]

How silly is that - any one can use one big bankroll with a small win % and win for weeks or mounths - then lose it all.
No control or hint what happen - there is no skills into that.

But if you have control of your bankrolls growth with the help of money management and winning two out of three or three out of three session in a row you know your variance based upon a game plan with skills

So you think that 10% is a small percentage? And i did not mean any heavy progression if it was what you were referring to as being silly.

[Ralph]

I know players using a 100 bankroll, play once a week at BM casino. They try to win about 50 to 100.
I know they lose more than 2.7% of the betting. Some lose less, as the main thing they do is waiting for any trigger and may bet just a few times. They never win but lose less.
In a couple of years theire losses are  10000 , they replace the bankroll, from theire income, and have no problem doing it.  They are very happy when they win 100, and never think about they lose more the last three weeks.

I know people never playing real, and use the fun account, they like the game, but not want to risk money.

Its hardly impossible to win lot without risks.  The bankroll size matters.