For the RNG guys

[Turner]

I think I'm in the "RNG is no different from a real wheel camp (output)
What I mean is.....if I gave the guys at random.org 10k of Speilbank and 10k RNG electronically created...they would say they were both random.

For the RNG guys...

I tested 10K of Roulette Xtremes own RNG generated numbers on their CHi-square test for Random.
Attached are the 10k spins (well there not spins are they.)

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[Proofreaders2000]

"I think I'm in the "RNG is no different from a real wheel camp (output)"--Turnerfeck

Keep in mind neither RouletteXtreme or Random.org have a profit-motive like online Real-money RNG games (which vary like a slot-machine with wins.)  Once you place bets on a RNG the alogorithm changes with the current profit target of all the bettors playing at that moment.

[Turner]

"I think I'm in the "RNG is no different from a real wheel camp (output)"--Turnerfeck

Keep in mind neither RouletteXtreme or Random.org have a profit-motive like online Real-money RNG games (which vary like a slot-machine with wins.)  Once you place bets on a RNG the alogorithm changes with the current profit target of all the bettors playing at that moment.

Proof....but wouldnt that give less random output which would be like a biased wheel which could be monopolised on

[superman]

Once you place bets on a RNG the alogorithm changes with the current profit target of all the bettors playing at that moment

My understanding is there is only one player at an RNG table/game window at a time. So the above is really hear say not fact.

[Proofreaders2000]

The above statement is based on my observation.

"Proof....but wouldnt that give less random output which would be like a biased wheel which could be monopolised on"--Turnerfeck

The only bias advantage I can see where Real Money RNG is concerned is the game not knowing which system/bet selection you will play next (unless you've already played it.)

[Ralph]

The casino gamble, as they send the coded number before, they got theire share from house edge, as all other casinos. The rake of 2.7% works out just by the odds.

[Turner]

well....back on subject...Im sticking my neck out and saying RNG is random.

I think 26 and 32 could of been 0 on a real wheel...but not on RNG. but all versions are RNG output.
Even if I sat there and watched numbers jump out of pockets for 10000 spins and recorded the number it landed in (before it jumped out) all vesions would still pass a random test/

Proof...surely if you are right (and i totally respect what you acuse the casinos of) the numbers would fail a random test.

Now someone gave me 10k of BV spins and they passed.

Ultimatly...we need 10k spins from a suspect casino.

There is no way we can dismiss what proof suggests just on a gut feeling. We need to prove it.
Similarly...proof cant suggest it without ....(wait for it)..Proof!

[superman]

Now someone gave me 10k of BV spins and they passed

That was me, but don't forget BV select the next set of numbers, anything between 1 and 60, you decide, default is sets of 10, so there is no way in he|| they will be changed to suit what you are betting. I still maintain an RNG game is only running with 1 player at a time, I tetse this last night, I opened a playtech game on my laptop and my wife opened the same game on hers, we both bet red and her results were different to mine on every spin, we did 100 spins.

Some proof please proof

[Twisteruk]

That was me, but don't forget BV select the next set of numbers, anything between 1 and 60, you decide, default is sets of 10, so there is no way in he|| they will be changed to suit what you are betting. I still maintain an RNG game is only running with 1 player at a time, I tetse this last night, I opened a playtech game on my laptop and my wife opened the same game on hers, we both bet red and her results were different to mine on every spin, we did 100 spins.

Some proof please proof

Why do you think BV limits that to 60 Max instead of say 6000 ? 60 seems such a weird number to limit you on, dont you think ?

I would think that outcome to be very biased. ALL 100 outcomes both betting on Red were different ? Neither of you spun Red at the same time ? Now, to me, that is not Random.

[TwoCatSam]

Let us not forget what winkel said............roughly now.  Don't hold me feet to the fire!

You could bet 1,000 numbers and he could provide a thousand to beat you and they would still be random numbers.

Example:  You bet the last seven numbers as per Ralph.  I can send you enough random numbers to destroy you.

In other words, if they wanted to, they could cheat you with pure random.

But Ralph gets in and out in ten numbers or so.  That 60 pure would sure satisfy him.

Sam

[Ralph]

They send the numbers before, up to 60 numbers. I have it allways on default 10, as I do not think there are rigged numbers.

If they want, they could probably send fair number, and attack if they know your betting plan, but I do not think they do. A small difference from random is very hard to detect.

They do not know how you will play anyhow, while sending the first string, and you play a shorter
session.

I very often get a hit on a few straight up within the number you can set the random stream check.

I did some play to show, you can easy check out and start over, or order new random string if you are in doubt.
If you still not trust, then it is nothing to do than not play.

I don't change the random setting often, did it a couple of time, as you easy can get paranoiac in a bad run, which will allways come on a fair wheel.

[superman]

I would think that outcome to be very biased. ALL 100 outcomes both betting on Red were different ? Neither of you spun Red at the same time ?

I was reffering to the numbers, of course she hit red or black the same times I did on many occasions but not all.

[Proofreaders2000]

"Some proof please proof"--Superman

I'll give you two instances where Real Money RNG is not random.

About six months ago, with a $25 deposit in ClubWorldCasino (Real-Time Gaming software) I played four systems, three of which I repeated and one which was never played.  Turns out the three systems played repeatedly lost.  On my final $10 I played the one system which was never played on that brand's RNG.  It won on the second spin.  The end balance was $59.00 (see attachment)

Just last week I played a new system (never tested on an RNG) on a whim.  It won on the first spin.
 

[Ralph]

"Some proof please proof"--Superman

I'll give you two instances where Real Money RNG is not random.

About six months ago, with a $25 deposit in ClubWorldCasino (Real-Time Gaming software) I played four systems, three of which I repeated and one which was never played.  Turns out the three systems played repeatedly lost.  On my final $10 I played the one system which was never played on that brand's RNG.  It won on the second spin.  The end balance was $59.00 (see attachment)


Just last week I played a new system (never tested on an RNG) on a whim.  It won on the first spin.

I do not think it is a proof, just some losing and winning spins. 

Repeating the same over and over will soon or later give a bad streak.

If I deposed 65 dollar I would not use more than 0.1 chips.

If losing 20 times in a row, do not say its anything rigged.

There is of course some not trustfully casinos on the net,and it is not easy to know for sure.

A rigged casino will soon go out of business, It can not be covered for long.

[Proofreaders2000]

Say what you will Ralph, I plan to have new systems (and not ones I've already played on RNG) next time.