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Wheel Movements

Started by ignatus, Jan 13, 09:35 PM 2013

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ignatus

Did a short study of wheel movement using the "Real Wheel Carpet" dividing it into 6 sections (doublestreets)


Zero belongs to the first section. Distance is calculated in doublestreets. (next hit) 0=Repeat.



1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4


What is the most common movement (and hitrate)? I use statistics to find out: 0,1,2,3-step movement:


0-Steps (Repeat)


1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4


Result: 24/120 = 20%


1-Step


1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,33,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4


Result: 30/120 = 25%


2-Steps


1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4

Result: 44/120 = 37%


3-Steps


1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4


Result: 19/120 = 16%


From this short test the 2-step movement has a clear dominance with 37% hitrate
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ego


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That is still random fluctation as you don't apply the correct parameters.
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ignatus

Quote from: ego on Jan 13, 11:33 PM 2013
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That is still random fluctation as you don't apply the correct parameters.

What correct parameters? (I use the real wheel layout?) Need more statistics ofcourse, but if this is true, the 2-step movement is most common, one can get an advantage ...

1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4

Real wheel dozen repeats: 37/120 = 31%

Dozen repeats are less than the 2 step movement, still in second place
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ignatus

I do more today.

Perhaps someone like to help me doing some statistics? These are the numbers for each section sorted out:


1: 0, 2, 4, 15, 19, 32
2: 6, 13, 17, 25, 27, 34
3: 8, 10, 11, 23 30, 36
4: 1, 5, 16, 20, 24, 33
5: 9, 14, 18, 22, 29, 31
6: 3, 7, 12, 26, 28, 35
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Proofreaders2000

Users Katilla and Kimo Li are masters of the study of wheel movements.  Both could help on this subject.

ignatus

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 14, 07:27 AM 2013
Users Katilla and Kimo Li are masters of the study of wheel movements.  Both could help on this subject.

I'm doing my own study.


These are my second results:


1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2


0 Steps (Repeats) Result: 34/185 = 18%

Wheel Dozen Repeats Result: 56/185 = 30%

1 Step Result: 43/185 = 23%

2 Steps Result: 62/185 = 33,5 %

3 Steps Result: 35/185 = 19%


End Result is exact same as the first test!! The 2-Step movement is most common (33.5% hitrate) closed followed on second place Wheel Dozen Repeat 30%.
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Smoczoor

Quote1: 0, 2, 4, 15, 19, 32
2: 6, 13, 17, 25, 27, 34
3: 8, 10, 11, 23 30, 36
4: 1, 5, 16, 20, 24, 33
5: 9, 14, 18, 22, 29, 31
6: 3, 7, 12, 26, 28, 35

dear Ignatus some time ago i was made exactly the same test as u did today... my sections was identical, but where is 21 number?

i can help u with tests - just tell me what to do :)

ignatus

Quote from: Smoczoor on Jan 14, 09:07 AM 2013
dear Ignatus some time ago i was made exactly the same test as u did today... my sections was identical, but where is 21 number?

i can help u with tests - just tell me what to do :)

(Missed 21. Saw that too.)

YES, I made a simple tracker now for this 2-step movement!

It would be great if you help testing this! Also come with ideas of progression and other possible methods of betting/tweaks. I'm thinking +1 progression (for each 2 misses in a row) and then wait for 3 virtual losses or 1 virtual win before bet... That's my idea anyway.  :)


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ignatus

So, playing at DublinBet using this tracker i'm +200

Progression: 0.5, 0.5, 1, 1, 1.5, 1.5, 2, 2, 2.5, 2.5, 3, 3, 3.5, 3.5, 4, 4... and so on. (Reset at two hits in a row)


You can help out either by doing more statistics, OR use the tracker-
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Smoczoor

Look at charts below. It's flat bet (!) live results from Betfair casino (one of my favourite). I programmed it in RX but without progression because I'm beginner programmer :( If there is someone who can add progression i will send him my code.

ignatus

Third statistics. I was interupted. This is 79 spins


1: 4,3,3,3,5,3,3,5,2,4,3,4   
2: 5,0,3,6,3,4,3,4,4,3,1     
3: 2,2,5,5,1,1,0,2,6,1,1,0,2,6,4,6,1,5,2,1,3 
4: 5,0,2,0,3,0,3,0,5,6,3 
5: 3,3,4,4,6,1,0,2,6,1,0,2,3,3,3
6: 0,5,5,0,5,5,1,5,2,

0 steps (repeat): 11/79 = 14 %

Wheel Dozen Repeats: 24/79 = 30%

1 step: 22/79 = 28%

2 steps: 30/79 =  38 %

3 steps: = 12/79 = 15%

THIRD RESULT SAME RESULT!: 2 Step movement is clearly dominant 38% followed by Wheel dozen Repeat 30%

IF you don't get this .... THIS is the most scientific experiment I've done. ALL results are the same.

It's law of physics and gravity (Live WHEEL, Real spins etc), everything based on statistics.
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ignatus

Quote from: Smoczoor on Jan 14, 01:42 PM 2013
Look at charts below. It's flat bet (!) live results from Betfair casino (one of my favourite). I programmed it in RX but without progression because I'm beginner programmer :( If there is someone who can add progression i will send him my code.

Nice. :)

Use +1 progression (for each 2 spins without hit)

Progression: 0.5, 0.5, 1, 1, 1.5, 1.5, 2, 2, 2.5, 2.5, 3, 3, 3.5, 3.5, 4, 4... and so on. (Reset at two hits in a row)
If you like to donate link::[url="//paypal.me/ignatus1"]//paypal.me/ignatus1[/url]

"Focus on predicting wheel sectors where the ball is expected to land" ~Steve

warrior

Quote from: ignatus on Jan 13, 09:35 PM 2013
Did a short study of wheel movement using the "Real Wheel Carpet" dividing it into 6 sections (doublestreets)


Zero belongs to the first section. Distance is calculated in doublestreets. (next hit) 0=Repeat.



1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4


What is the most common movement (and hitrate)? I use statistics to find out: 0,1,2,3-step movement:


0-Steps (Repeat)


1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4


Result: 24/120 = 20%


1-Step


1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,33,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4


Result: 30/120 = 25%


2-Steps


1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4

Result: 44/120 = 37%


3-Steps


1: 5,3,6,3,0,4,4,6,3,3,3,5,4,6,0,5
2: 4,1,0,0,4,6,5,0,5,6,3,4,4,5,1,6,3,6
3: 4,0,1,0,2,1,0,2,5,0,5,0,6,2,6,4,5,4,6,4
4: 0.6,3,6,6,6,1,0,1,2,1,3,3,0,0,3,1,2,0,0,2,6,3,5,0,0,0,0,2
5: 1,4,2,4,1,0,1,2,4,3,6,4,2,6,2,0,4,0,3
6: 0,1,2,5,2,4,1,5,3,4,3,4,2,1,2,4,2,4


Result: 19/120 = 16%


From this short test the 2-step movement has a clear dominance with 37% hitrate
Can you explaine movement.

Smoczoor

QuoteUse +1 progression (for each 2 spins without hit)

Progression: 0.5, 0.5, 1, 1, 1.5, 1.5, 2, 2, 2.5, 2.5, 3, 3, 3.5, 3.5, 4, 4... and so on. (Reset at two hits in a row)

I know it :) but i can't program it in rx. If flat bet look so good results with progression will be much better  ;D

ignatus

Quote from: warrior on Jan 14, 01:54 PM 2013
Can you explaine movement.

My experiment has succeded I tried to find the most common movement on a live wheel.  I needed statistics to find out.

I used the Real European Wheel layout, put those numbers on the carpet. Now, it's possible to study movements: I divided the carpet into 6 sections (doublestreets) The numbers you see (marked in the pic) is the next hit (from that position 1-6)

The 2 step Movement is a distance of 3 doublestreets: Example from 1 to 3 (not on ordinary carpet that is.)

Sry for my bad English, hope you'll understand.

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