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RNG vs Real Wheel (RW)

Started by Turner, Apr 04, 04:57 PM 2013

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Interstate89

The only way to check the facts is to play a "working" strategy on live and rng. Then we can compare the performance.

huskerdu

Bonuses are not for free. If you see the terms of using the bonuses you'll see something like: you have to play 1000 times the amount of bonus in order to get it. So it's not as free as it seems.
And of course this couldn't be happened technicaly at live  casinos, for 2 reasons:
First, because for each one player who uses bonus, the dealer or someone else should keep tracking the size of bets in order to know each time what money has spend until he reaches the term of bonus and second even if casinos used so many additional stuff  for this job, guess how many hours or days the player should sit continuslly on the table to use 1000 times the bonus.....!!!

RouletteGhost

If you waste money on rng just donate the money to me. So i can go play real roulette
the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

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1eleven

There is no difference other than the emotional and tangible part of the game.  Is there a difference at online poker, too?  Absolutely not.  You see more trials so things 'seem' to happen more frequently. 

Whatever you play, good luck.  The battle is rarely with the wheel or RNG.

ddarko

Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 03, 05:46 PM 2015
There is no difference other than the emotional and tangible part of the game.  Is there a difference at online poker, too?  Absolutely not.  You see more trials so things 'seem' to happen more frequently. 

Whatever you play, good luck.  The battle is rarely with the wheel or RNG.

in that case can you pls give a good answer to reply#26 & reply #27 thxs......

O0

BTW, what does "the tangible part of the game" means pls ?

1eleven

Quote from: ddarko on Jul 03, 06:10 PM 2015
BTW, what does "the tangible part of the game" means pls ?

You can physically touch the chips and place them on a layout. You feel like you're a bigger part of the game.

Your mind is made up so no need to respond to 26 and 27.  Look up Confirmation Bias.

ddarko

Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 03, 08:22 PM 2015
You can physically touch the chips and place them on a layout. You feel like you're a bigger part of the game.

right thank you.

Your mind is made up so no need to respond to 26 and 27.  Look up Confirmation Bias.

Bullet dodged, understood  :thumbsup:


O0

nottophammer

Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 06, 08:02 AM 2015
MJ bet you've been waiting for a reply.

Whens the unvailing of this method
Last seen 19th may
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

1eleven


marvin

Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 03, 05:46 PM 2015
There is no difference other than the emotional and tangible part of the game.  Is there a difference at online poker, too?  Absolutely not.  You see more trials so things 'seem' to happen more frequently. 

Whatever you play, good luck.  The battle is rarely with the wheel or RNG.

are you referring to live online poker, wherein your opponents are your fellow players? i think theres a huge difference there.
or your referring to video poker?

1eleven

Quote from: marvin on Jul 04, 01:38 AM 2015
are you referring to live online poker, wherein your opponents are your fellow players? i think theres a huge difference there.
or your referring to video poker?

Please explain the difference (while answering all of my other questions to you).

The cards fall the same way in both games via RNG. 

TwoCatSam

Ah, the confirmation bias.  If you expect all Elbonians to be thieves, your mind will not let you see an honest Elbonian.  It's a fascinating study.
If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go where dogs go.  ...Will Rogers

nottophammer

Quote from: iggiv on Oct 19, 11:01 AM 2013
Roulette is a mechanical device. Whatever is mechanical is not capable to give you real randomness of events. It will always have some kind of order. Well, not always, but most times. Or just many times.


Remember, that is what British and Polish intelligence used when cracked German Enigma. When operators used it, they did not use it really randomly, they had some patterns repeated over and over again. Because it is very hard for either human or mechanical device to be always random. And there you had both at work, just like at the roulette wheel in a casino. So they tracked those patterns thoroughly. And they were never able to crack the machine completely, they just cracked lots of info, but not all. Just like in roulette, even if u can win, it is impossible to do all the time, each time for thousands of spins. If you try u will always lose.


Computers are different story though. Computer can give u anything u want if programmed  properly for that goal. So here goes an answer to your question why RNG and a physical wheel are different.

So if we arrive at the table and start to record the spins we/you will see 1 number of the 37numbers  took 1 spin to come in. The next number of the 36 left could come in, in 1 spin or even take 2 spins maybe even 5 spins, but eventually it comes in.So 2 numbers have hit. So of the 35 left it takes X amount of spins for the 3rd to hit. Of the 34 left it take X amount of spins for the 4th number to be hit.
Okay lets move on lets say we've seen all 37 numbers have hit and each of the remaining numbers after the 1st number hit have taken x amount of spins to come in, lets assume all 37 were hit in 155 spins, thats 1 piece of data recorded.

Now do the same over and over again like the British and polish intelligence service did, you'd have a large data base that would give you the longest amount of spins for each of the remaing unhit numbers take to hit.

You could ask the data base what is the avg say for the19 numbers not to have hit yet, to hit.Of your thousands of recorded spins the registry might be 3,1,4,11,8,5,3,3,1,1,4,9,9,spins so the avg for this small example 4.7692, if we round up avg 5 spins, the question is how many times you can bet 19 numbers with your Bank roll, if the longest 19 numbers took to hit, is say 11 spins, its avg to come in is 5 spins, would you wait 6 spins,if the 19 have still not hit would you now bet,or wait 1 more spin to feel confident that the avg that has not changed for thousands of recorded games will make you a winner.

Oh yes i changed that sentence to red.

Its what i've done recorded how long the remaining unhit numbers take to come in, Look at Winkels GUT it uses the 37 numbers you see the numbers left to hit of those to be hit how many times do those that already hit before those to be hit,hit. Its the same for KTF ( keep the Faith) which i use with Winkels Gut.

My  data is all rng, On 21/7/15 went to aspers at milton keynes one of my rare visits to a b+m used Winkels method with KTF won £26.00 for .25p units, stopped 41 spins, recorded  next 7 spins waiting for the rest fo the party to finish plastering chips every where.

If you look in KTF column the worst bet is betting for the remaing 24 numbers, in the UK bookies it still would have won as can bet 3 times, same for the remaining 21 numbers possible bet in bookies is 4 spins and obliged, reference the 2 methods and your on a winner.

RNG every time

How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

nottophammer

RNG for me.
Now i was not going to put this avg for Jackpot Joy till end of month, regarding betting 19 0X's (non-hit). I have the same layout for RNG, J.Joy is airball, is this considered live.
On RNG in 877 recorded games, Max i've seen the 19th 0x to hit is 11 spins (this is out of date now as not kept up to date)Its avg to come in is 1.96237, round up 2 spins.
J.Joy todate is Max 6 spins, avg to come in 1.875 spins round up 2 spins


How you'd use this info?  up to you, or watch the trot :thumbsup:






Quote from: iggiv on Oct 19, 11:01 AM 2013
Roulette is a mechanical device. Whatever is mechanical is not capable to give you real randomness of events. It will always have some kind of order. Well, not always, but most times. Or just many times.


Remember, that is what British and Polish intelligence used when cracked German Enigma. When operators used it, they did not use it really randomly, they had some patterns repeated over and over again. Because it is very hard for either human or mechanical device to be always random. And there you had both at work, just like at the roulette wheel in a casino. So they tracked those patterns thoroughly. And they were never able to crack the machine completely, they just cracked lots of info, but not all. Just like in roulette, even if u can win, it is impossible to do all the time, each time for thousands of spins. If you try u will always lose.


Computers are different story though. Computer can give u anything u want if programmed  properly for that goal. So here goes an answer to your question why RNG and a physical wheel are different.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 25, 08:10 AM 2015
So if we arrive at the table and start to record the spins we/you will see 1 number of the 37numbers  took 1 spin to come in. The next number of the 36 left could come in, in 1 spin or even take 2 spins maybe even 5 spins, but eventually it comes in.So 2 numbers have hit. So of the 35 left it takes X amount of spins for the 3rd to hit. Of the 34 left it take X amount of spins for the 4th number to be hit.
Okay lets move on lets say we've seen all 37 numbers have hit and each of the remaining numbers after the 1st number hit have taken x amount of spins to come in, lets assume all 37 were hit in 155 spins, thats 1 piece of data recorded.

Now do the same over and over again like the British and polish intelligence service did, you'd have a large data base that would give you the longest amount of spins for each of the remaing unhit numbers take to hit.

You could ask the data base what is the avg say for the19 numbers not to have hit yet, to hit.Of your thousands of recorded spins the registry might be 3,1,4,11,8,5,3,3,1,1,4,9,9,spins so the avg for this small example 4.7692, if we round up avg 5 spins, the question is how many times you can bet 19 numbers with your Bank roll, if the longest 19 numbers took to hit, is say 11 spins, its avg to come in is 5 spins, would you wait 6 spins,if the 19 have still not hit would you now bet,or wait 1 more spin to feel confident that the avg that has not changed for thousands of recorded games will make you a winner.

Oh yes i changed that sentence to red.

Its what i've done recorded how long the remaining unhit numbers take to come in, Look at Winkels GUT it uses the 37 numbers you see the numbers left to hit of those to be hit how many times do those that already hit before those to be hit,hit. Its the same for KTF ( keep the Faith) which i use with Winkels Gut.

My  data is all rng, On 21/7/15 went to aspers at milton keynes one of my rare visits to a b+m used Winkels method with KTF won £26.00 for .25p units, stopped 41 spins, recorded  next 7 spins waiting for the rest fo the party to finish plastering chips every where.

If you look in KTF column the worst bet is betting for the remaing 24 numbers, in the UK bookies it still would have won as can bet 3 times, same for the remaining 21 numbers possible bet in bookies is 4 spins and obliged, reference the 2 methods and your on a winner.

RNG every time



How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

nottophammer

Bo----ks avg wrong in the above
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

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