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« on: April 06, 2013, 08:54:09 AM »
         Here's a method I use in baccarat where it is more successful because there are no zero's.You can use it on roulette as is or you can decide to cover the zero's.You record the decisions as follows, if the last decision was a red you check what the result was two back,if it was also a red it is recorded as a win ,if it was a black,it is recorded as a loss.As you record the results,you only bet after the following streaks ,two losses in a row,or two wins in a row.If you get two losses in a row or two wins in a row bet the same as the decision two back.Play no other streaks.
       For money management I use the penthouse progression.1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-etc.Move one position to the right on a loss and move one position to the left on a win,reset after a plus 1 and start again.I play for +3.
                                                                          B
                                                                          P
                                                                          B-w
                                                                          P-w
                                  (bet here same as 2 back)  B-w+1(reset)





                                                 

                                                                         


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Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2013, 09:06:17 AM »
Are you speaking o* decision be*ore last?  Penultimate?

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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2013, 09:06:17 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2013, 11:51:31 AM »
I am very basic with baccarat...never studied it

I get it...but like 100 times less than roulette and even less than Craps.

In roulette, there "seem" to be limits, and sods law says if it can happen, it will. So red or black can easy sleep for 15-20 times

is this seen in Baccarat? Dealer wins 20 in a row...player wins 15 in a row etc?
Share your ideas. How do you find out you are wrong if you don't?

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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2013, 12:22:06 AM »
looks good, you can somehow ride on both streaky and choppy table.

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2013, 04:13:18 AM »
Are you speaking o* decision be*ore last?  Penultimate?

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Sam,  It looks like he's playing both penultimate and opposite penultimate.  If penultimate wins 2 times in a row, bet the penultimate will win a 3rd time.  If opposite penultimate wins 2 times in a row, bet opposite penultimate will win a 3rd time.
 
For all us believers in trends, this should be a good bet method to catch short trends.
 
Dutchy, I love the penthouse bet progression and +3 is a good win target.  Do you use a stop-loss? 
 
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Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2013, 05:06:47 AM »
Guys, I think Dutchy waits for two wins or losses of a penultimate EC before betting

B
R
B  1st virtual win
B
B 2nd virtual win, bet black next as colour before last was Black
R loss
R 1st virtual loss
R 2nd virtual loss
Bet red
R WIN

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Re: Method I Use In Baccarat It Can Be Used In Roulette
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2013, 05:38:35 AM »
Guys, I think Dutchy waits for two wins or losses of a penultimate EC before betting

B
R
B  1st virtual win
BW, isn't this a virtual loss, thus eliminating the above virtual win? :question: Dutchy where are you?
B 2nd virtual win, bet black next as colour before last was Black
R loss
R 1st virtual loss
R 2nd virtual loss
Bet red
R WIN

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2013, 06:03:01 AM »
        As you record the results,you only bet after the following streaks ,two losses in a row,or two wins in a row.
If you get two losses in a row or two wins in a row bet the same as the decision two back.

I believe he is describing two events in a row, not a running total of two in a row.
 
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2013, 06:09:39 AM »
Also, this particular style of wagering is interesting in that it will beat all "425's", lose only to the first "2" in a string of terrible twos, and catches all of the singles.
 
This does has possibilites.
 
I've done some random testing on pulled sheets from my baccarat compilation (all live, no RNG) and the longest losing streak of placed wagers is 3.  Not bad for initial testing.
 
I'll keep this one on the front burner and test it daily to see if there's something that needs to be done to tweak it up a bit.
 
Also, for those contemplating baccrat, or those who do not understand it, you'll be happy to know that most "casual" players at the baccrat table don't know the details of the game either.
 
If you wish to test the waters, so to speak, think of it as betting on Red/Black on a wheel with no zeroes.  That's as simple as I can make it.  You have no decisions to make other than what to wager on...  Player or Banker.
 
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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2013, 08:20:06 AM »
So when you win, you now have 3 wins, 2 virtual and 1 real. When does the next trigger come?

For example if you got another virtual win straight after the real one would you bet it again.

B
P
B - virtual
P - virtual
B - +1
P - virtual
???? Bet again here


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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2013, 10:25:10 AM »
         Here's a method I use in baccarat where it is more successful because there are no zero's.You can use it on roulette as is or you can decide to cover the zero's.You record the decisions as follows, if the last decision was a red you check what the result was two back,if it was also a red it is recorded as a win ,if it was a black,it is recorded as a loss.As you record the results,you only bet after the following streaks ,two losses in a row,or two wins in a row.If you get two losses in a row or two wins in a row bet the same as the decision two back.Play no other streaks.
       For money management I use the penthouse progression.1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-etc.Move one position to the right on a loss and move one position to the left on a win,reset after a plus 1 and start again.I play for +3.
                                                                          B
                                                                          P
                                                                          B-w
                                                                          P-w
                                  (bet here same as 2 back)  B-w+1(reset)





                                                 

                                                                         

It sounds to me like we can only bet for the penultimate on a signal and the signal can be either 2 virtual wins or 2 virtual losses.
 
I guess if you win your bet, you have to track for another trigger of either 2 wins or 2 losses and then you can bet the penultimate again. 

Maybe it doesn't matter if one of the wins was a real bet.
 
In DaDee's example, his real bet win could be the 1st of the 2 wins needed for a bet signal.  It might also be the 2nd win of a trigger.
 
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2013, 10:56:05 AM »
      Hi folks,I'll do my best to try to clear up a few points.Hopefully this example will do.You track the results as we go along.We only bet after two losses or two wins( virtual)this is the trigger as of when to bet.)If the decision 2 back is the same as the last decision it is declared a win if it is not, it is declared a loss.We start from beginning.
                                                                                          R
                                                                                          B
                                                                                          R-w(same as two back)
                                                                                          B-w(same as two back)(trigger to bet as two virtual wins,bet same as two back R)
                                                                                          R-w(+1)(stop play until you get two virtual wins or two virtual Losses),we;ll continue
                                                                                          R-L(1st virtual loss)
                                                                                          B-L(2nd vitual loss)(trigger to bet,bet same as two back R)
                                                                                          R-w(+1)(stop play until two virtual wins or two virtual losses)
                                                                                          R-L
                                                                                          B-L(as two virtual losses bet next hand,bet R)
                                                                                          B-L(-1 unit,loss)
                                                                                          R-L
                                                                                          B-w
                                                                                          R-w(trigger to bet again.bet B)
                                                                                          B-w(win,even in series as lost 4 back).Continue on in this mannner.Reset at +1.Always back to 1 in the penthouse scale after a +1.If you lose 4 in a row your next bet is 3(1-1-2-2).Hope this helps,George the penthouse is great as you know,never really escalating at a high rate but at a modest rate.Stop loss is a personal thing but if you have a good bankroll this will help alot.Like I said I use it at Baccarat because no zero's.
 
                                                                                         

                                   
                                                                           
                                                                     
                                                                                       
                                     
                                                                         
                                                                             

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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2013, 11:06:26 AM »
Dutchy,  Thanks for your explanation.  That is very clear.  I was playing just the way you posted and reached +20 in about 60 spins.  I have a few tracking periods where I didn't get a trigger to bet for 10 + spins.  It was an easy win.  Biggest draw down was 4 units.
 
A couple of times I had
R
R
R  W  Virtual
R  W  Virtual  Next is a bet
R  W +1
R  W  Virtual
R  W  Virtual  Next is a bet.  Feels like I should bet for B since I've had 7 R's in a row.
 
I had 2 of these and I won 1 and lost the other.
 
Interesting bet selection method.
 
The zeros are a pain in the neck.  But they always are in roulette.
 
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2013, 11:35:52 AM »
     George,glad you had a good run but I must clear up one more thing.If you get the following:R-
                                                                                                                                          R-
                                                                                                                                          R-w
                                                                                                                                          R-w(trigger,bet 2 back)
                                                                                                                                          R-W(+1)I stop right here as I only bet on w-w or L-L sequences.
                                                                                                                                          R-
                                                                                                                                          R-
    I believe you have a decent chance of cutting a few units a day if played as above. :ooh:
   
 




                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                         
               

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2013, 12:14:28 PM »
     George,glad you had a good run but I must clear up one more thing.If you get the following:R-
                                                                                                                                          R-
                                                                                                                                          R-w
                                                                                                                                          R-w(trigger,bet 2 back)
                                                                                                                                          R-W(+1)I stop right here as I only bet on w-w or L-L sequences.
                                                                                                                                          R-
                                                                                                                                          R-
    I believe you have a decent chance of cutting a few units a day if played as above. :ooh:
   
 




                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                         
               
Hey mate, can you confirm something for me.

If I get,

W
W -  bet for a win now
W +1
W
W - do I bet for a W now??? Or does there need to be some L's between the W's

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