STANDARD DEVIATION BEATING EUROPEAN ROULETTE WHEELS???

[Ekis]

First bet 25$
Second bet 25$
Third bet 100$             

Like I said this system has been very profitable for me.   When I win my first bet I have a profit of 50$.   When I win my second bet I have a profit of 25$.   Finally when I win my third bet I have a profit of 150$.   On average you could say that when I win it's around 75$

Hi Cubanopro.  Thanks for posting your system.  Interresting! But I have one comment/question about the average win when you start betting at the third spin.   Dont you win more often at first bet than the second bet, and more often at the second bet than the third??

Just an example to explain what I mean:
We bet dozen 1 for max 3 spins and we play 100 sessions
Win on first bet: 1/3*100=33
Win on second bet 1/3*67=22
Win on third bet 1/3*45=15
Lost sessions 100-33-22-14=30 

So I think the average win will be a little bit less than 75.
(maybe around 9/19*50+6/19*25+4/19*150=63)??

[GLC]

Cubanopro,

Well, since I live in Western US, I'm usually up later than those of you who live Eastward, so I usually get the last post of the day.

I just did a test on the 1st 130 spins from Wiesbaden 11.05.2010.

The first test I did, I didn't wait until the 5 spins were complete before selecting my new dozen to bet on.  As soon as I finished a 3 bet sequence I selected the last 2 dozens or if I won within the 3 bets, I used the last 2 dozens.
I had a couple of pretty good drawdowns.  One for -50, one for -52 and one for -60.  I recovered on all three and ended with a 26 unit win.

I was thinking about posting these spins to show Mr. Cubanopro how well my tweak was performing.  But, then I thought,  I'll play these same spins using his betting system.

I found out that there wasn't really that much waiting to bet and I ended up at +33 units.
Wow!  Was I ever surprised.  My lowest drawdown was -12 which I only reached once.  My highest bet was 4 since that's his highest bet with no other progression than 1-1-4.

Tomorrow, I will post both sessions so all can see the difference in performance.  It's a little surprising. 

Sleep well comrades,

George

[cubanopro]

Since I, for one, hate tracking for betting opportunities, I prefer to begin tracking the two dozens immediately after a win or 3 losses.   I just don't see that it makes any difference when you start the 5 spin sequence.   How can it affect our odds?  We could start on spin 4 of the last 5 spin sequence to minimize tracking.   

Hey man what's up! I'm glad to see you here as well! I have to say that I like your attitude it's definitely a positive one.  Lol when I read your posts I have a smile on my face because you give the impression that you think I know everything when in fact I'm still a student (in finance) and my field of studies have nothing to do with roulette.  I am very far from being a scientist but I do enjoy the feeling of respect that comes with it! So in other words, thanks for your kind responses my friend.

Ok now back to business! You can do as you want but I keep my sets for 5 spins. . . and if you ask me the waiting is not long at all.  Now concerning your question about how could it affect our odds, the way I see it is that if you cut your sets to lets say 3 or 4 spins you're changing what is at the very base of all.  The whole system is based on one simple sentence:

''Every 5 spins, each dozen will fall between 1 and 3 times 68% of the time"

Every 5 spins. . . not 3 or 4.  Take this example that contains 10 spins or 2 set of 5 if you prefer:

1,1,2,3,2          2,2,3,2,1

According to your way of playing you would have bet after the third spin on dozen 3 and would have won.  Next you would have automatically started betting on dozen 1 since 3,2 become first and second spin. . . . You would have miserably lose since dozen #1 only got out on the tenth spin.        You would have a total of +2,-6= -4

I would have +2, +3 = +5
Not only that, I'm not even sure how you could use your method. . . Would you be betting always for a period of 3 bets?? How far back do you go? Anyways as always do as you please but I prefer being a bit more conservative and bet less.  Besides it's not like waiting 25 spins. .   

[cubanopro]

Hello

Thank you for this interesting post.

You wrote:
"Each one represents a percentage and that is when it becomes useful.   The first level is 68%, the second is 95% and the third is 99.  7%.  "

Afraid you  lost me on this statement.  The levels suddenly appeared out of nowhere.  (For a moment I thought I'd taken the wrond tablets)

Please clarify.

Hi Esoito! Those percentages represent different levels of standard deviation. . . If you would have continued reading you would have understand what they are when put in a sentence. 
For instance the following sentence, every 5 spins each dozen will fall between 1 and 3 times 68% of the time.

That 68% was found with the first level of standard deviation.  In other words, each level tells us useful information.  I hope I was clear enough. . . if not simply google Standard deviation and you will definitely understand what I'm saying (I'm not a mathematician).     

[cubanopro]

Hi Cubanopro.   Thanks for posting your system.   Interresting! But I have one comment/question about the average win when you start betting at the third spin.    don't you win more often at first bet than the second bet, and more often at the second bet than the third??

Just an example to explain what I mean:
We bet dozen 1 for max 3 spins and we play 100 sessions
Win on first bet: 1/3*100=33
Win on second bet 1/3*67=22
Win on third bet 1/3*45=15
Lost sessions 100-33-22-14=30  

So I think the average win will be a little bit less than 75. 
(maybe around 9/19*50+6/19*25+4/19*150=63)??

Hello Ekis! Yes you are absolutely right! It is a fact that chances are I will win more often on the first bet and then on the second one and so on. . .  the thing is that I'm not sure how to calculate this. . . would you mind explaining it to me how you got 63?

Thanks (good reply by the way, excellent comment!)

[cubanopro]

Cubanopro,

I just did a test on the 1st 130 spins from Wiesbaden 11. 05. 2010.

The first test I did, I didn't wait until the 5 spins were complete before selecting my new dozen to bet on.   As soon as I finished a 3 bet sequence I selected the last 2 dozens or if I won within the 3 bets, I used the last 2 dozens.
I had a couple of pretty good drawdowns.   One for -50, one for -52 and one for -60.   I recovered on all three and ended with a 26 unit win.

I was thinking about posting these spins to show Mr.  Cubanopro how well my tweak was performing.   But, then I thought,  I'll play these same spins using his betting system.

I found out that there wasn't really that much waiting to bet and I ended up at +33 units.
Wow!  Was I ever surprised.   My lowest drawdown was -12 which I only reached once.   My highest bet was 4 since that's his highest bet with no other progression than 1-1-4.

Tomorrow, I will post both sessions so all can see the difference in performance.   It's a little surprising.   

Sleep well comrades,

George

Interesting! But I don't think my method is unbeatable. . . at times your method will perform better than mine I'm am sure. . . Anyways I WOULD REALLY LOVE IT if someone could code this once and for all so that we can finally know if this a profitable strategy in both long term and short term. 

Good night!

[F_LAT_INO]

Cubanopro,

Well, since I live in Western US, I'm usually up later than those of you who live Eastward, so I usually get the last post of the day.

I just did a test on the 1st 130 spins from Wiesbaden 11.05.2010.

The first test I did, I didn't wait until the 5 spins were complete before selecting my new dozen to bet on.  As soon as I finished a 3 bet sequence I selected the last 2 dozens or if I won within the 3 bets, I used the last 2 dozens.
I had a couple of pretty good drawdowns.  One for -50, one for -52 and one for -60.  I recovered on all three and ended with a 26 unit win.

I was thinking about posting these spins to show Mr. Cubanopro how well my tweak was performing.  But, then I thought,  I'll play these same spins using his betting system.

I found out that there wasn't really that much waiting to bet and I ended up at +33 units.
Wow!  Was I ever surprised.  My lowest drawdown was -12 which I only reached once.  My highest bet was 4 since that's his highest bet with no other progression than 1-1-4.

Tomorrow, I will post both sessions so all can see the difference in performance.  It's a little surprising. 

Sleep well comrades,

George

Cause its in the frame of SD,and your way is continous betting
with no such rules,my friend.This will show very good George,and will suggest
staking plan after testing some more 3000x3 spins.

[GLC]

Cubanopro,

Unfortunately, I can't program.  Those who can are often very busy with a backlog.

Even if someone does program this and run it through a 100,000 spins, I doubt that it will produce positive results.  It seems like long sessions always end with a negative total.

Chopping it up into playable time segments, on the other hand, can give positive results.

If enough interested members test it, we can get a good idea as to how it performs.

George

[ScoobyDoo]

Hi Guys,
Love this thread. I have tested it a bit and WOW! What a profit maker! I plan to continue to test this baby. Hopefully someone will be willing to code this one...I think it will really be worth it.

@Esoito...I think what he meant was he has a 68% chance of winning on the first bet...a 95% chance of winning on his second bet and a 99.7% of winning on the third bet.

Scooby Doo

[Hermes]

VIVA CUBA, Cubano! Beautiful country, nice people.

Hermes

[warrior]

Hi Guys,
Love this thread. I have tested it a bit and WOW! What a profit maker! I plan to continue to test this baby. Hopefully someone will be willing to code this one...I think it will really be worth it.

@Esoito...I think what he meant was he has a 68% chance of winning on the first bet...a 95% chance of winning on his second bet and a 99.7% of winning on the third bet.

Scooby Doo

MY EXPIERENCE IS THE SAME .

[F_LAT_INO]

--I'm testing this all day/manually thought,but goes quick of its simplicity/
and so far 8000 spins/constant positive results.
--Suggest;

--1,2,3.progression after 1st.trigger
---- 1,2,progression-4th. and 5th. bet
-------1,--5th. bet.

--Any comments??

[Twisteruk]

This thread is really something, thanx for sharing 


I too am about to start testing 


Regards

[buffalowizard]

I too will get involved. Can't play for real yet, but hey, if it carries on bringing positive testing, then I can wait a week or two!

BW

[buffalowizard]

F LAT INO,

I like the look of your progression there.

If you lose the 3 bets, do you start over from scratch with the same staking? Thanks

BW