guetting progression

[muttsnutts]

Hi guys hope someone can help with this I know getting is normally used on even beta but I want to try it with double dozens any ideas on how to change the formula, would it be best to progress after more wins or change the units of progresaion, welcome all your ideas on this

[GLC]

Dear Muttsnutts,

It is ironic that I should post my last post on this forum in response to a new member's 1st post.

The Guetting progression is pretty difficult to convert to other than even chance bets, but I'll give you the way I see to do it.

You will double each step of the original.  This means that since the original is 2 wins at each stage, for double dozens you will need to double this to 4 wins for each stage.

What to do on a loss is the tricky part and all I can do is give my educated opinion.  If you lose on the 1st, 2nd or 3rd bet in a stage, you drop back to the 1st bet in the level below the one you're on.  If you lose on the 4th bet in a stage, you drop back to the 1st bet of the stage you're on.

So, if you're betting the 3 unit stage and you lose any of the 1st 3 bets, you drop back to the 1 unit bet in level #1.  If you're betting the 3 unit stage and you win the 1st 3 attempts and lose the 4th attempt, you have only broken even for that stage and can repeat the 3 unit stage again.  Think of it this way, if you're loss is more than you've won at the current stage, you must drop back to the 1 bet in the level below where you are betting.

I've never tested this idea but it is interesting.  I have devised positive progressions for double bets, but after thinking about this, I may have wasted my time.  This could be as good as you can get.  I know that Charles Guetting devoted a lot of time and testing to devise this progression, so it's worth a test.

Good Luck to All,

George

[amk]

love ya GLC

Hope you wont leave us forever

many thanks for all your great contributions

will really miss you

suncerely,

amk

[GLC]

Thanks for your well wishes.  Everything's fine.  My wife has asked me to consider dropping the forum because I'm getting so busy with other facets of life that the time spent on the forum is becoming too expensive.  Not to mention that I've been treading water with roulette for a year or more now and starting to finally get leg weary.  I know how life works.  In a few months half the members will not even know that GLC ever posted on the forum.  And, there's enough old timers still around to keep these new whippersnappers in check.

Now, the real reason for this post final post.  I realized that I made a minor mistake in my last post.  Well, not so much a mistake as an oversight.  I said that if you lose on bet 1, 2 or 3 you should drop to the 1st bet in the level below the one you're on.  And if you lose the 4th bet you can just replay that 4 bet stage.  In reality, if you lose on bet 1 or 2 you should drop back, but if you lose on bet 3 or 4 you can just replay that 4 bet stage.

Let's say you're betting the 4 unit bet stage.  If you lose the first bet, you are down 8 and should drop back to 1.5 bet stage.  If you win the 1st attempt you are +4 and if you then lose the 2nd attempt, you are -4 and you should drop back to 1.5.  If you win the 1st 2 attempts and lose the 3rd attempt, you are even for those 3 attempts and can re-set to the 1st 4 unit bet and replay that 4 bet stage.

From my experience, using a positive progression where you add 1 after each win and subtract 1 unit after each loss is a losing bet progression.   What Charlie Guetting is trying to do is take advantage of a decent winning series, but not have to give away all our winnings on the way back to 1 unit bets.  That way we can stay in the larger bet numbers so that a really positive run will net us some big wins.  While we're in a losing mode, we will be betting in the 1-2 unit range, then as soon as you move into a winning series, you can start moving up to larger units.  Two losses in a row drops us all the way back to 1 unit so we don't waste a lot of units on a gradual loss pattern.

Examples:
Let's say we have 6 wins in a row and then 6 losses in a row on an even chance bet.

bet 1  Win   +1
bet 1.5  Win  +2.5
bet 2   Win   +4.5
bet 3  Win   +7.5
bet 4   Win   +11.5
bet 6   Win   +17.5
bet 8   Lose  +9.5
bet 1.5  Lose  +8.5
bet 1   Lose  +7.5
bet 1  Lose  +6.5
bet 1  Lose  +5.5
bet 1 Lose  +4.5    So after 6 wins followed by 6 losses, we end up with +4.5 units.

Now standard +1 on a win, -1 on a loss.

bet 1  Win   +1
bet 2   Win   +3
bet 3  Win   +6
bet 4   Win   +10
bet 5   Win   +15
bet 6   Win  +21
bet 7   Lose  +14
bet 6   Lose  +8
bet 5  Lose  +3
bet 4  Lose  -1
bet 3  Lose  -4
bet 2  Lose -6  So, -6 units compared to +4.5.  Quite a difference.

It's just another way of trying to win more units on wins than we lose on losses, but using a positive progression instead of a negative progression.

I don't know if this is any better than a Reverse Labby, but it surely looks like it has merit.

One final point.  This can be adapted to a 3/2 bet also.  That's betting 5 lines at a time.  The chart looks like the following.

First here's what the Guetting chart really is

Level 1   Level 2   Level 3   Level 4
1              1.5         4           10
1              1.5         4           10
                 2          6            15
                 2          6            15
                 3          8            20
                 3          8            20

Any time we lose on the 1st bet of a double, we drop to the 1st bet in the level below where we're betting.
Any time we lose on the 2nd bet of a double, we just step back 1 bet and replay that double.

Here's what the chart for double dozens looks like:

Level 1   Level 2   Level 3   Level 4
1              1.5         4            10
1              1.5         4            10
1              1.5         4            10
1              1.5         4            10
                 2           6            15
                 2           6            15
                 2           6            15
                 2           6            15
                 3           8            20
                 3           8            20
                 3           8            20
                 3           8            20

It's just double the even chance chart.

For 5 lines it would be the following:

Lvl 1   Lvl 2   Lvl 3   Lvl 4
1          1.5     4        10
1          1.5     4        10
1          1.5     4        10
1          1.5     4        10
1          1.5     4        10
1          1.5     4        10
1          1.5     4        10
1          1.5     4        10
1          1.5     4        10
1          1.5     4        10
1          1.5     4        10
             2      6         15
             2      6         15 
             2      6         15
             2      6         15
etc...

It get's crazy for streets, splits and straight up numbers, but it can be done.

GLC