EC System from a New Member

[JimmieB]

Hi all,

New member and first time poster, apologies if something similar has already been posted.

The following is a system for ECs which a member of another forum I visit came up with, and he’s happy for me to share the system. I’ve been using it for approximately 2 months, and in that time I increased my BR x7, however did have a total loss (4 betting levels explained below), which reduced my BR to x4.5, however, I’ve increased by BR back to x6. I play online live dealer tables, no RNG.

Also, my loss was due to me slightly deviating from the “rules”, however, you will have losses along the way and it’s a total grind.

The system itself looks to take advantage of around 25% of EC outcomes being singles, whereas the remaining 75% are 2 of the same or more. I’ll explain using red/black, however, I don’t see any reason why it can’t be used for any of the other ECs, although, I’ve been advised the way the roulette wheel is laid out, the other two ECs are less reliable. I’ve been using all 3 ECs & they all seem to offer the same results, I’ve had losses and wins on all 3.

You wait for at least 3 zig-zags to end than start playing, this is your “trigger”, either rbrr or brbb, and always play the colour of the last spin, therefore, if you get rbrr then start your betting with a bet on the r (in case of a 0 whilst betting, the colour before that). You play to normally win ANY positive amount per game. If you lose your bet you increase your bet per the listed amount as detailed below, and on a win you decrease your bet as also detailed below, any two consecutive wins decrease your bet by whatever the starting level value is, to reiterate, you only play a game until you show any profit, then wait for another trigger and start over.

There are 4 betting levels each of the levels having 5 bets. I’ll explain using a starting bet of £10 on level 1, however, you can adapt this to any amount as long as the table chip selections facilitate it:

(Level 1 - £10-£16-£22-£28-£34 = £110 (Up £6 on a lost, down £4 on win.)
(Level 2 - £15-£24-£33-£42-£51 = £165 (Up £9 on a lost, down £6 on win.)
(Level 3 - £30-£48-£66-£84-£102 = £330 (Up £18 on a lost, down £12 on win.)
(Level 4 - £60-£96-£132-£168-£204 = £660 (Up £36 on a lost, down £24 on win.)
Grand total: £1265

When you lose a level, you move to the next level. Levels 2, 3, and 4 are recovery levels, as soon as you win back what you lost, you go back to level 1. The aim is to always play at level 1.

The maximum bet is usually the amount you “lose” before going to the next level, meaning you can go a little higher if upping the bet takes you past it; so for example if you are at Level 1, you won the £34 bet, then lose the £30 bet, you bet £36 but if you lose that bet, time to go to Level 2 (and if you win, your next bet is now £32).

You “stop playing” (or consider a session done) whenever you have won a set amount decided beforehand, personally, I play until I’ve increased my BR by 3%.

Regarding the above betting levels, I don’t use anywhere near this amount, this was just to explain the progression/regression. To create your own betting levels with a suitable progression/regression based on your BR use the following as a guide:

Level 1: any starting value, +60% of the starting value on a loss, -40% of the starting value on a win; max bet is around 3.4 times the starting bet, there are 5 steps including the initial bet
Level 2: 1.5 times Level 1
Level 3: 2 times level 2
Level 4: 2 times Level 3
A total of around 130 times your Level 1 starting value needed for the total bankroll

As I’ve already mentioned this is a grind and there will be losses, therefore, it’s recommended your BR is at least twice the total cost of the system, 3 times highly recommended. The system does not lose very often, it’s there to make sure you don’t go nuts after a loss. Don’t be in too much of a hurry to up your starting bet even though it’s tempting, wise money management, patience, and a cool head are the key to success, build your bankroll fist and then up the starting bet. Let’s say you are starting with a £1, your total bankroll should be around £390; if you want to up the starting bet to £2, wait until your total bankroll is at least £520, ideally closer to £780. As I’ve already mentioned I started 2 months ago with a BR which was actually only enough for just 2 levels which is now currently 6 times what I started with including a full 4 level loss a couple of weeks ago, a loss which I suffered because of slightly deviating from the rules, if I’d stuck with the rules I’d have been fine. My betting amounts are low; however, if it works for a 1p bet it should work for a £100 bet.....

[iggiv]

Thnx and welcome aboard bud

[JimmieB]

Thanks 

[ddarko]

Welcome JimmieB 

Be careful with that 4 leveled progression it can bite you on the arse !!!!

[teo]

Unless it's a En prison way it doesn't stand a chance on the long run.

Did any of you ever thought why none of live online casinos doesn't offer En prison play.

[warrior]

Even if they offer it gamblers will still lose,if a bet does not win flat there is nothing you can do period.

[teo]

Even if they offer it gamblers will still lose,if a bet does not win flat there is nothing you can do period.

EC  En prison is mostly play flat bet dear Warrior.In Nice and MCarlo,you got to seat on the table earlier/before tables open/to get a seat.

[ausguy]

JB - Welcome to the forum & good to see another system posted on the forum, especially as it's your 1st post (although you do give credit for it to a poster on another forum).

I just did a quick mini test of your system from some live dealer spins I have just to get an idea of the play.

The varied bet amounts can be tricky at up 60% on a loss & down 40% on a win. Obviously a full bet sheet showing all bet variants would almost be essential ?
Also on smaller size bets eg 2 starting minimum & 1 chips rounding up would be necessary on the stepped progressions ?

Also the triggers take a bit of time to get used to. I can see what you mean about a bit of a grind. After a win & a new game reset it was 7 play lines before a (R/B) trigger hit. Perhaps with more familiarisation you could have all 3 EC's on standby & use which ever one triggers 1st ? What would you do if 2 or even all 3 EC's all gave triggers at the same time ?

Also JB how many sessions & for how long were they over the last 2 Months ? Also where do you play on line ? I often play at Party Casino. I have an account with Smart Live but haven't played there for some time (too slow live dealer @ 2 min. spins)

Teo & Warrior - So far JB has said he is now x 6 his original BR. At one stage he was x 7 & due to not following the bet plan & crashed out @ L4 in one session taking his BR down to X 4.5 ("if I'd stuck to the rules I'd have been fine").  En prison hasn't been mentioned & the way I read it JB's play just wears the loss of any Zero hit ? Besides what on line live dealer game has En prison ?

As to losing it must have merit if it's held up & even recovering after a gross betting mistake. 2 months is a reasonable long term, lets see how it goes over the next 2 months. Winning is winning is money anywhere you play.

[Dutchy]

Welcome Jimmy B.thanks for sharing your method.So R-B-R-R start betting with a R if lose wait for next trigger?Your money management seems to be working well for you as you increased your bankroll multiple times.

[Turner]

Welcome jimme

you can have 12 ec's if you want. Your trigger is seen many more times (not such a grind)

O/E, R/B and 10 x lines pitched 3v3 - 12 e/cs

But....trying to take advantage of a probability, over a small amount of spins, when the probability is only proven over thousands of spins is  fallacy

Variance is king in your small trot.

[Turner]

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[warrior]

EC  En prison is mostly play flat bet dear Warrior.In Nice and MCarlo,you got to seat on the table earlier/before tables open/to get a seat.

I know been to Monte Carlo ,what I'm saying is that even if the players have this ,they will still lose because they do not have a bet that wins consistantly enough to take advantage of the enprison or partage and wins flat bet ,you can throw the holy grail at them and they won't even know it.they will lose more then the 2 .7 percent .which is a small percentage for the casino.

[ausguy]

Warrior - How does what you say fit with with JimmieB's plays where he's 6 times his bankroll up after 2 months & never underwater but a dip from BR x 7 to BR 4.5 due to off system bets ?  As a graph its up ramp, dip & again up ramp. So far, in most peoples books, it would be called a winner.

[Big EZ]

AUSGUY...........its called a progression

[warrior]

Warrior - How does what you say fit with with JimmieB's plays where he's 6 times his bankroll up after 2 months & never underwater but a dip from BR x 7 to BR 4.5 due to off system bets ?  As a graph its up ramp, dip & again up ramp. So far, in most peoples books, it would be called a winner.

4 levels that's not hard for random to beat.