EC System from a New Member

[JimmieB]

Hey Louie,

Welcome to the forum, hopefully you won't get as much grief over here

How are the injuries, you feeling any better, or, is the whiskey/scotch still helping?

I've been v busy with work and family at the moment, meaning I've had very little time for roulette, still checking the forums though....

Would be really interested to hear about your new theory which is showing good results when you're ready to share.

Speak soon
Jim

[atlantis]

Hi chingy,
I have found the following betting progression + using my preferred 5/5 angle to be quite successful...
(5/5 = I wait for 5 unique 'chops' or 5 'series' to occur then bet for streak or chop for a max of 5 times)

I play it on Red/Black EC.

Progression 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5......etc...etc...

In other words, increase by 1u after 2 CONSECUTIVE LOSSES ONLY - otherwise stay at same betting stage unit until even or
ahead of current highest bank total. When that occurs reduce to starting base of 1u.

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B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
B - L1                      -1
B - L1                      -2
R - w2                     +0
B - w1                     +1
R - w1                     +2
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B - w1                    +3
R - w1                    +4
R - L1                     +3
B - w1                    +4
R - w1                    +5
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B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
B - L1                    +4
R - w1                   +5
B - w1                   +6
B - L1                    +5
R - w1                   +6
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R - 5 chops so play same as last
B - L1                   +5
B - w1                  +6
R - L1                    +5
R - w1                   +6
R - w1                   +7
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R - 5 chops so play same as last
R - w1                    +8
R - w1                    +9
R - w1                    +10
R - w1                    +11
B - L1                     +10
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B - w1                       +11
B - L1                        +10
B - L1                        +9
B - L2                        +7
R - w2                       +9
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B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - w2                      +11
R - L1                       +10
B - w1                       +11
R - w1                       +12
B - w1                       +13
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R - w1                       +14
R - w1                       +15
R - w1                       +16
R - w1                       +17
R - w1                       +18
    - 5 reds so play opposite last
R - L1                        +17
R - L1                        +16
B - w2                        +18
B - L1                         +17
B - L1                         +16
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B - L2                      +14
B - w2                      +16
R - L2                       +14
B - L2                       +12
B - w3                      +15
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B - w3                       +18
R - w1                       +19
B - w1                       +20
B - L1                        +19
B - L1                        +18
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R - w2                      +20
R - L1                       +19
R - L1                        +18
R - L2                        +16
B - w2                        +18
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B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - w2                       +20
B - w1                       +21
R - L1                        +20
B - L1                        +19
R - L2                        +17
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B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - w2                      +19
R - L2                       +17
B - L2                       +15
B - w3                       +18
B - w3                       +21
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R - w1                     +22
R - L1                      +21
R - L1                      +20
B - w2                     +22
R - w1                     +23
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B - w1                     +24
B - w1                     +25
R - L1                      +24
B - L1                      +23
R - L2                      +21
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R - 5 chops so play same as last
R - w2                      +23
R - w2                      +25
R - w1                      +26
B - L1                       +25
R - L1                       +24
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B - w2                           +26
R - w1                           +27   
R - L1                            +26
B - w1                           +27
R - w1                           +28


Profit =+28u.
Highest bet=3u.

Of course you can adapt this to bet only for streaks if you wish... but I advise to wait for 4 or 5 'chops' as a signal to start play. I prefer to wait for 5.

A.

[GLC]

Big A,



I know that drawing all the conclusions that I'm about to post from your last example is relatively meaningless unless it approximates all of your sessions.

I have been testing this idea using Full TrioPlay's progression idea as a foundation.  I just use 5 units as representing +1 or -1.  The 2 ideas together are pretty steady winners so far.

I'm not knocking your progression idea.  It's solid as your post shows.  I just think hanging it on Full TrioPlay's progression gives it another layer of complexity for random to beat.

Analyzing your results:
You had about 560 spins.
28 units won equals about 1 unit for ever 20 spins.  That classifies this as a real grinder.  That's okay as long as it's a steady winner.
You had 18 betting opportunities.  That means we have 26 spins on average between betting opportunities.
We win on average 1.5 units for every betting opportunity.
The 560 spins represents 9.3 hours of play at 1 spin per minute.

If we play all three even chances, we increase wins by 3 and betting opportunities by 3.  This should shorten some of the long dry spells while we're waiting for a trigger.

I notice that this is an abbreviated version of my recent post titled "tendency".  Maybe this concept isn't such a dead end trail after all.

GLC

[GLC]

Big A,



I know that drawing all the conclusions that I'm about to post from your last example is relatively meaningless unless it approximates all of your sessions.

I have been testing this idea using Full TrioPlay's progression idea as a foundation.  I just use 5 units as representing +1 or -1.  The 2 ideas together are pretty steady winners so far.  I should mention that I play a flatbet on each level 1-1-1-1-1.  If I have 5 wins or losses I have +5 or -5.  4 to 1 = +3 or -3.  3 to 2 = +1 or -1.  I increase the bet size based on the rules of Full TrioPlay.

I'm not knocking your progression idea.  It's solid as your post shows.  I just think hanging it on Full TrioPlay's progression gives it another layer of complexity for random to beat. Of course it also adds another layer of complexity to play it.

Analyzing your results:
You had about 560 spins.
28 units won equals about 1 unit for ever 20 spins.  That classifies this as a real grinder.  That's okay as long as it's a steady winner.
You had 18 betting opportunities.  That means we have 26 spins on average between betting opportunities.
We win on average 1.5 units for every betting opportunity.
The 560 spins represents 9.3 hours of play at 1 spin per minute.

If we play all three even chances, we increase wins by 3 and betting opportunities by 3.  This should shorten some of the long dry spells while we're waiting for a trigger.

I notice that this is an abbreviated version of my recent post titled "tendency".  I don't mean to imply that you have hijacked my unique idea.  I know that you've been working on systems like this for quite a while.  The use of streaks vs chops as triggers adds a mild layer of complexity that may or may not be necessary.  Maybe this concept of tendency isn't such a dead end trail after all.

GLC

I add the above comments (red) to clarify my post so none would think I was in any way saying that by revealing the way I choose to play it is implying that my way is better than your way.  Just two different ways.  Minimally different at best.

[rajucb12]

Thanks for share it.Regardless of whether they provide this bettors can however lose, if the choice doesn't earn ripped absolutely nothing is you can apply interval.

[atlantis]

Just reviving this EC topic  - the 5/5 Angle - as I think it is still quite strong even with the progression I indicated. But any ideas for better/safer/improved progression can perhaps be applied to it to good effect. I do seem to keep coming back to it though after I give up on other even chance strategies...
For speedier location of triggers could be done on trusted rng with fastspin enabled? Doesn't need to be Red/Black either for that matter.
Food for thought.
A.

[jordan69]

Hi guys,

Back after a long time...
First, i decided to contact my friend Atlantis and choose to work on this EC topic, with his 5/5 angle
Sounds interesting to me !

Here is an example (Even/Odd) with Wiesbaden  numbers. I use Atlantis rules (13 march 2014)

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26 E
23 O
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27 O
12 E - 5 chops so play same as last
29 O -L1   -1
7 O -w1   0
16 E -L1   -1
10 E -w1   0
2 E -w1    +1
27 O
3 O
27 O
27 O
2 E
16 E
24 E
34 E
29 O
18 E
23 O
25 O
13 O
23 O
24 E
23 O
26 E
15 O
4 E  - 5 chops so play same as last
4 E -w1   +2
12 E -w1   +3
22 E -w1   +4
3 O  -L1   +3
22 E -L1  +2
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33 O
25 O
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25 O
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32 E
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1 O
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6 E
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30 E - 5 Even so play opposite last
22 E -L2   0
31 O -w2  +2
3 O -L2  0
34 E -w2 +2
14 E -L2   0
32 E
35 O
15 O
18 E
23 O
1 O
13 O
35 O
26 E
16 E
31 O
13 O
32 E
13 O
25 O
3 O
7 O
19 O - 5 Odd so play opposite last
8 E -w2  +2
31 O -w2  +4
30 E -w1  +5
4 E -L1  +4
23 O -w1  +5
15 O
11 O
32 E
5 O
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Profit : +5 units.

[atlantis]

Hi guys,

Back after a long time...
First, i decided to contact my friend Atlantis and choose to work on this EC topic, with his 5/5 angle
Sounds interesting to me !

Profit : +5 units.

Hello Jordan,
Welcome back! I am also seeking to try and improve this. One idea is to begin play at a base of 1u for 5 spins and assess during and after the 5-bet attack cycle... reviewing and adjusting stake after each attack phase according to the 10% money management plan...
Example below will show the idea.

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The profit/loss (P/L) status of a betting attack is assessed DURING and AFTER each attack sequence of 5 spins:

*If a level or new high position is attained any time during the 5-bet attack sequence then the stake is reduced to the starting base bet of 1unit.

**P/L is also assessed after completion of EACH 5-bet attack to either increase, decrease or remain at same stake level according to the 10% money management plan...


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B - L1                      -2
R - w1                      -1                   
B - w1                      +0
R - w1                      +1*                                 +1** = stay@1
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R - L1                     +1
B - w1                    +2
R - w1                    +3*                                  +3** = stay@1
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B - L1                    +2
R - w1                   +3*
B - w1                   +4*                   
B - L1                    +3
R - w1                   +4*                                    +4** = stay@1
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B - L1               +3             
B - w1               +4*   
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R - w1               +4*   
R - w1               +5*                                    +5** = stay@1
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R - w1                    +6*
R - w1                    +7*
R - w1                    +8*
R - w1                    +9*
B - L1                     +8                               +8** = stay@1
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B - w1                      +9*
B - L1                      +8
B - L1                      +7         
B - L                        +6
R - w1                     +7                               +7 = u to 1.1
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R - L1                        +7.1
B - w1                       +8.1
R - w1                       +9.1*
B - w1                      +10.1*                            +10.1** = d to 1   
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R - w1                       +11.1*
R - w1                       +12.1*
R - w1                       +13.1*                   
R - w1                       +14.1*
R - w1                       +15.1*                           +15.1** = stay@1.0   
    - 5 reds so play opposite last
R - L1                        +14.1
R - L1                        +13.1
B - w1                        +14.1               
B - L1                        +13.1
B - L1                        +12.1                             +12.1 = u to 1.30
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B - L1.30            +10.80         
B - w1.30           +12.10       
R - L1.30            +10.80     
B - L1.30            +9.50 
B - w1.30           +10.80                                  +10.80 = u to 1.70         
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B - w1.70             +12.50       
R - w1.70             +14.10     
B - w1.70             +15.80* = new high; reduce to 1                   
B - L1                  +14.80           
B - L1                  +13.80                                +13.80  = d to 1.60     
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R - w1.60           +15.40* = new high; reduce to 1           
R - L1                +14.40             
R - L1                +13.40         
R - L1                +12.40
B - w1                +13.40                                 +13.40 = d to 1.40
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B - w1.40          +14.90         
B - w1.40          +16.30* = new high; reduce to 1       
R - L1               +15.30
B - L1               +14.30
R - L1               +13.30                                  +13.30 = d to 1.20
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B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - w1.20                +14.30 
R - L1.20                 +13.10
B - L1.20                 +11.90 
B - w1.20                +13.10
B - w1.20                +14.30                          +14.30 = d to 1.10
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B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - w1.10              +15.30* = level high; reduce to 1
R -  L1                  +14.30
R -  L1                  +13.30
B - w1                  +14.30
R - w1                  +15.30*                          +15.30** = stay @1.0
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B - w1                     +16.30*
B - w1                     +17.30*
R - L1                      +16.30                   
B - L1                      +15.30
R - L1                     +14.30                         +14.30 = u to 1.10     
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R - 5 chops so play same as last
R - w1.10               +15.30*
R - w1.10               +16.30* new high; reduce to 1
R - w1                    +17.30*             
B - L1                     +16.30
R - L1                     +15.30                          +15.30** = stay @1.0
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R - 5 reds so play opposite last
B - w1                        +16.30* 
R - w1                        +17.30* 
R - L1                         +16.30
B - w1                        +17.30*
R - w1                        +18.30*                   +18.30** = stay @1.0 

*=level or new high achieved DURING an attack play of 5 bets =  reduction to base bet (1.0)

**= level or new high reached AFTER completed set of 5 bets means a reduction to base bet  (1.0)

+18.30u profit
Highest Bet = 1.7


(Of course to play this way you need casino with .10units... eg: smartlive casino low limit autowheel)
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