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Le_chiffre's 20,000 unit challenge

Started by GLC, Mar 09, 08:36 PM 2014

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GLC

Fellow forum members.  Our friend Le_Chiffre has a 20,000 unit bankroll and he'd like suggestions for the best system on this forum to risk his bankroll on.  Each unit is $0.10, so he'll be playing on-line.

I don't know the particulars about min vs max bet range, but just ask and he'll provide all the answers.

Let's narrow it down to some solid systems and give reasons why you think your choice is a viable candidate.

GLC
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

teo

A week and no response...queer.I said no more posting anything here,but since this is different
can suggest him to try this.

Whenever see 4 unique lines bet on last 3 lines.....D'Alambert.

Good luck.

GLC

Since the only response is from Teo, one is all we need.

Thanks Ivo,
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

ati

It's hard to suggest anything since the possible ways to play roulette is infinite, and the number of systems posted are countless. 99% of the members never even tried those systems.
If you ask me, I would say try the GUT. That one looks interesting to me, but I was too lazy to do long time testing.

teo

Forgot to mention....whenever win or lose.....restart all over....not playing in continuation,exmpl;

3
5
1
4......bet 415
2...L........restart,waiting for new 4 uniques.........ignoring 1,4,2 unique lines........

amk

Threads often go missed for a while as a lot of players only check the last 20 or so posts on the home page, or is it just me : )

Le_chiffre, what is the challenge part about?

I guess I would need to know how many spins you are planning to play.

If it is 1 million, Ive got news for you : )

If its ? 25,000 and that's the end of roulette (100 spins per workweek for 1 year)  I think you can make a good chance to come out ahead.

Which method I do not know, its anybodies guess. For some reason I like "thepilots" winning PB play which he says made him 75,000 in a year, then stopped. But this could have all been fake. You guys remember that thread?

I think his BR was around 2000 but played a 10,20,40 progression +-5 times per session.


Thanks for another great thread GLC.


Skakus

A ship moored in the harbour is safe, but that's not what ships are made for.

teo


GLC

Le_Chiffre, I know that everyone will get a kick out of this method.  I've just been playing around with it knowing that it violates every conceivable principle of a good system.  But, you may find it interesting.  It's based on a couple of Turbo Genius' ideas and is similar to a variety of systems that have been presented on this forum.  Most recently Dane's "Straight Up Hit in six out of ten sessions" system.

With Dane's system, we bet only on a trio to show in the columns.  He has a caveat re: not betting on the number between 2 numbers.  I don't have a beef with Dane's system.  We're all free to choose whatever trigger(s) we think appropriate.  This system I'm posting now, will not limit the trios that way.  Plus we will take advantage of trips that go across the table in any direction.

It's simple to explain.  When we get 2 out of 3, we bet for the 3rd number.  These 2 trigger numbers can be next to each other or one number apart from each other.  If they are next to each other and in a column, we will be betting on the numbers at both ends.  So if 10 and 13 have spun, we will bet on 7 and 16.  If 10 and 16 have spun, we will bet on 13. 

We will also bet for streets to complete like MrJ's system.  So, if 10 and 11 have spun, we will bet on 12.  If 10 & 12 have spun we will bet on 11.

We can also bet diagonally.  So if 10 and 14 have spun, we will bet on 18.  If 10 & 18 have spun, we will bet on 14.

Any time we get 2 in a line with no more than 1 missing between, we will bet for the 3rd number to hit.

We can play zero with both the 1 & 2 and the 2 & 3.  So if 0 & 2 hit, we will play for both the 1 and the 3.  If 0 & 1 hit, we will play for the 2 to hit.  Same for 0 & 3, we play for the 2.

We can also play the zero with the 34, 35 and 36 just like we play for the zero and the 1, 2 & 3.

The progression:  We bet 1 unit on every number as they become available to complete a trio.  Continue to bet 1 unit on each until we get a win.  If we are at a new high bank, we reset everything and start over with 1 unit.  If we win and are in the hole, we have 2 choices

1) we can either start over tracking for triggers and bet 2 units on each number or

2) we can increase the numbers we're playing to 2 units on all numbers being bet.  We will add all new numbers at 2 units.  When we get another hit, if we're at a new high, we re-set to 1 unit and start a new game.  If we are still in the hole, we will increase the unit amount on all numbers being bet to 3 and continue adding new numbers per the rules at 3 units each.

I can't decide which way is the best.  Hits come pretty regularly, but I know there will come a series when the hits are few and far between.  The 1) option should be the safest.  More testing needed to determine which is better.

This system will require a hefty bank roll to play with any sense of confidence.

As with all systems, there's nothing sacred about the rules.  They can be changed to suit your playing style and bank roll.  With 20,000 units, I think this will hold pretty well, but then I thought the doz/col system would too but it didn't take that long for you to tank it.

If this isn't your cup of tea, no problem.  After all, it's your money.

Good Luck,

GLC
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

GLC

Option #2 has finally revealed itself as way too volatile.

I think option #1 is the best way to play.  It may prove to be too much of a grind.

Thanks for humoring me in my madness.
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

GLC

Gordon my friend,

Here's a double dozen progression that I think has just enough risk vs grind to make it potentially playable.

1 2 3 4 5 7 10 14 19 26 36 50 etc...

From 5 on we just add the 4th number back to the last number to create our progression.  With a large bank, this thing might never lose .... :question:

Move one step to the right on a loss.  Move one step to the left after two wins, then 1 step to the left after 1 win, then 1 step to the left after 2 wins, then 1 step to the left after 1 win, etc...  You will reach a new profit before you get back to 1-1.

Let's say we just lost 1-1; 2-2; 3-3; 4-4; 5-5; 7-7; 10-10.  That's a total of -64 units.  Our next bet is 14-14.  If we win twice that will be 64-28= -36.  Bet 10-10 once for a win of 10 and we have -36+10 = -26.  Bet 7-7 twice for a win of 14 and we have -26 + 14 = -12.  Bet 5-5 once for a win of 5 and we have -12 + 5 = -7.  Bet 4-4 twice for a win of 8 and we have -7 + 8 = +1.  Reset to 1-1.  We have 7 losses vs 8 wins.  Normal ratio is 7 losses vs 14 wins.

This method gives us a reasonable chance to recover while staying well under the normal win vs loss ratio.  If you wanted to recover even quicker, you could win 2 times before moving 1 step to the left.

We're just trying to get the bet size down as soon as possible before we go into another losing streak.

GLC
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

Steve

Have you tested the probability that your bet selection is correct, vs random expectancy? ie are you increasing the accuracy of predictions? This is the first part to test.

If you are using progression, then you are relying on previous spins being connected, and previous spins having an influence on future spins.

You need to focus on these two points.
"The only way to beat roulette is by increasing the accuracy of predictions"
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GLC

Steve, 

Your point is well taken.  Unfortunately, as you well know, I haven't been able to document, nor has anyone to the best of my knowledge, a bet selection that improves our odds of predicting the next number more accurately than plain old random.  I have come up with methods that appeared to improve predictability, but alas, the bet selection method, using multiple spins, just made it appear to improve predictability.  In reality, it just took longer for the house edge to show it's ugly head. :'(

Progressions, like this one, are my way of limiting exposure.  In the end it will surely lose.  But with a large enough bank, I think we can hang with the progression until a good enough win streak comes along to get us back to 1-1.  It is true that we will not always be ahead when we get back to 1-1 if we've had a lot of wins and losses moving back and forth but we must be willing to take a small to medium size loss after a really bad streak to prevent going totally bust as will happen with a more aggressive progression. 

Here's what 6 losses in a row look like playing a martingale for double dozens: 1-1; 3-3; 9-9; 27-27; 81-81; 243-243.  With my progression it takes 17 losses to reach 250-250.  But with some wins along the way, and there surely will be some, that gives us a lot of playing room while we try to hang in there waiting for the turn around in luck.

GLC
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

GLC

Gordon,  I think this is my best double dozen progression yet. 

Whenever you have a loss just keep moving 1 step to the right.  Once you have a win, you must have a 2nd win at the same level before you move 1 step to the left.  Then only 1 win is required to move to the left again.  Then 2 wins at the next level before moving to the left again.  Continue in this way until you reach 1-1.  It's safer to drop all the way to 1-1 anytime you reach a new high bank, but you win more in fewer spins if you follow the 2 then 1 then 2 then 1 sequence all the way.  If you have a loss while moving to the left, you just move 1 step to the right for each loss until you start winning again.

The double win at the level above the last loss is what kick starts our recovery process.

Of course the killer sequence is LWLLWLWLWLLWLLLWLW etc...  In other words no double wins in a row will tank this if it goes on for a pretty long series.  That's very rare because Wins are twice as likely as losses.  That's why we need a decent bankroll so we can survive these single Win sections.  Even LLWLWLWWLLWLWWLWLWLLLWLWWLLWL where we get some double Wins, but not enough to move us back down our bet line any substantial amount.

Play around with it for a while and you'll see what I mean.

Unless I have another epiphany soon, I'll back off from the forum again and get back into the real world.

George
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

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