single/double number progression martingale betting

[ozon]

Very interesting results. Could you describe the changes that have occurred in the system from first post.

[henrykay]

hi ozon,

initially, i only bet the hot number that came out and without any cut off spin number. this impact the time spent greatly. i could be spending more than 5 hours and not hitting my target and this make it very hard to recover back when you suffer the losses.

the changes that i did to the betting, is that i introduce some rules.

unit 1 bet - 35
unit 2 bet - 19
unit 3 bet - 12
unit 4 bet - 9
unit 5 bet - 8
unit 6 bet - 6
unit 7 bet - 5
unit 8 bet - 5
unit 9 bet - 4
unit 10 bet 3

the first rule is to change your bet number if it hits after 70 spins when you start betting on it
the 2nd rule is to change your bet number if it fails to bring in 50 unit of profit when you hit 80 spins
the 3rd rule is never to bet 0. - for some reason, 0 are the most likely number to cause a loss.
the 4th rule is to change number when your spin hit 200 spins.

let's see if this betting holds up.
as for myself, i have pocketed 25k hard cash and it is staying hot and sweet in my pocket
i am only betting $5 per unit so i consider this a win unless i am super lucky for the past months.

hi turner,

cool. let's try to make this into a simluator and run tonnes of result in and see if it really works and not due to i am lucky lolz.

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We have a common enemy, the casino. Let's win their money.

[PGA]

Hi HK,

When do you consider a number to be hot? After it appears 2, 3 , 4 or more times?

Thanks for your reply and happy to hear you're pocketing the casino's $$$$.

G.

[GLC]

hi ozon,

initially, i only bet the hot number that came out and without any cut off spin number. this impact the time spent greatly. i could be spending more than 5 hours and not hitting my target and this make it very hard to recover back when you suffer the losses.

the changes that i did to the betting, is that i introduce some rules.

unit 1 bet - 35
unit 2 bet - 19
unit 3 bet - 12
unit 4 bet - 9
unit 5 bet - 8
unit 6 bet - 6
unit 7 bet - 5
unit 8 bet - 5
unit 9 bet - 4
unit 10 bet 3

the first rule is to change your bet number if it hits after 70 spins when you start betting on it
the 2nd rule is to change your bet number if it fails to bring in 50 unit of profit when you hit 80 spins
the 3rd rule is never to bet 0. - for some reason, 0 are the most likely number to cause a loss.
the 4th rule is to change number when your spin hit 200 spins.

let's see if this betting holds up.
as for myself, i have pocketed 25k hard cash and it is staying hot and sweet in my pocket
i am only betting $5 per unit so i consider this a win unless i am super lucky for the past months.

hi turner,

cool. let's try to make this into a simluator and run tonnes of result in and see if it really works and not due to i am lucky lolz.

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We have a common enemy, the casino. Let's win their money.

HK,  This is not a criticism, it's just an observation.  What you are playing is a martingale progression for straight up numbers, 35:1.  All martingales have a realistic possibility of not hitting until the bankroll is exhausted or the bet size tops the table limit. 

We all know that a martingale for even chances 1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512-1024-2048-4096 gets way out of hand in the worse case scenarios.  For a straight up number, it takes 35 times as long to develop, but it can develop.  You may use enough steps in your martingale that it's very rare to run across the sequence from hell, but it's always possible.  The only thing that's variable is your bet qualifiers.  It's difficult to factor those into the equation other than the fact that they don't ever change the advantage from the house to the player.

I don't mean to state the obvious, well, yes I do.  Maybe not for you, but for guests who may be reading this and aren't as savvy as most of the members.  If you use fewer steps in your progression, you'll reach your stop loss more often but you won't have as much to recover after a loss.  The more bets you incorporate in your progression, the longer between losses so the longer time you'll spend recovering losses when you lose.  Two or three losses close together can wipe out your bankroll.  Well, maybe not yours, but most people's

We are all ecstatic to hear that you have taken a good chunk of our losses back from the casinos.  Better one of us have them than the casinos.  I like your statement that you're not going to give it back.  I suggest you determine a percentage that you're willing to risk before you stop if you're in a losing trend.  Maybe 25% - 50% of your winnings.  That would still leave you with a nice bonus.

I read of a guy who used the martingale playing blackjack and won over $20,000 before hitting the run from hell and giving all of it back plus his own $5,000.

Our own dear friend Flatino, many years ago, used a dozens system based on a martingale progression and won in excess of $200,000 before he had a run from hell and lost most of it back before he pulled up.  If I remember right, his winning streak lasted a couple of years.  His losing streak lasted a couple of hours.  And he knows more about roulette than anyone else I know.  Granted this was many, many years ago.  Maybe before he gained most of his knowledge but he used it as an example to warn me not to get too c***y when winning.  I pass it on to you and all who are reading.  Remember his admonition:  It's better to get wounded than killed!  So take plenty of ammo, but keep plenty in reserve.

Good Luck to you cobber,

GLC

[Turner]

Nice post George

[henrykay]

HK,  This is not a criticism, it's just an observation.  What you are playing is a martingale progression for straight up numbers, 35:1.  All martingales have a realistic possibility of not hitting until the bankroll is exhausted or the bet size tops the table limit. 

We all know that a martingale for even chances 1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512-1024-2048-4096 gets way out of hand in the worse case scenarios.  For a straight up number, it takes 35 times as long to develop, but it can develop.  You may use enough steps in your martingale that it's very rare to run across the sequence from hell, but it's always possible.  The only thing that's variable is your bet qualifiers.  It's difficult to factor those into the equation other than the fact that they don't ever change the advantage from the house to the player.

I don't mean to state the obvious, well, yes I do.  Maybe not for you, but for guests who may be reading this and aren't as savvy as most of the members.  If you use fewer steps in your progression, you'll reach your stop loss more often but you won't have as much to recover after a loss.  The more bets you incorporate in your progression, the longer between losses so the longer time you'll spend recovering losses when you lose.  Two or three losses close together can wipe out your bankroll.  Well, maybe not yours, but most people's

We are all ecstatic to hear that you have taken a good chunk of our losses back from the casinos.  Better one of us have them than the casinos.  I like your statement that you're not going to give it back.  I suggest you determine a percentage that you're willing to risk before you stop if you're in a losing trend.  Maybe 25% - 50% of your winnings.  That would still leave you with a nice bonus.

I read of a guy who used the martingale playing blackjack and won over $20,000 before hitting the run from hell and giving all of it back plus his own $5,000.

Our own dear friend Flatino, many years ago, used a dozens system based on a martingale progression and won in excess of $200,000 before he had a run from hell and lost most of it back before he pulled up.  If I remember right, his winning streak lasted a couple of years.  His losing streak lasted a couple of hours.  And he knows more about roulette than anyone else I know.  Granted this was many, many years ago.  Maybe before he gained most of his knowledge but he used it as an example to warn me not to get too c***y when winning.  I pass it on to you and all who are reading.  Remember his admonition:  It's better to get wounded than killed!  So take plenty of ammo, but keep plenty in reserve.

Good Luck to you cobber,

GLC

hi GLC,

yes definately i am going to put out a certain percentage from the winning i get so far and treat my family / friends.
i do understand your point that at some point of time, i am definitely going to run into a "nightmare" run and get wipe out.

I will be doing this often.
win take out percentage keep it and use the rest and capital. Should 1 day i get wipe out,, then it will be the end of my run using this system because i know there is no system that could win forever. I am just waiting to see when it will come. and at the mean time, i am happily enjoying the money i taken back from casino on all your behalf 

My capital will and always be only 1810 units. the rest i have pocket it and it ain't coming out from my pocket.

cheers man and thanks for the advice 

[JimmieB]

hi ozon,

initially, i only bet the hot number that came out and without any cut off spin number. this impact the time spent greatly. i could be spending more than 5 hours and not hitting my target and this make it very hard to recover back when you suffer the losses.

the changes that i did to the betting, is that i introduce some rules.

unit 1 bet - 35
unit 2 bet - 19
unit 3 bet - 12
unit 4 bet - 9
unit 5 bet - 8
unit 6 bet - 6
unit 7 bet - 5
unit 8 bet - 5
unit 9 bet - 4
unit 10 bet 3

the first rule is to change your bet number if it hits after 70 spins when you start betting on it
the 2nd rule is to change your bet number if it fails to bring in 50 unit of profit when you hit 80 spins
the 3rd rule is never to bet 0. - for some reason, 0 are the most likely number to cause a loss.
the 4th rule is to change number when your spin hit 200 spins.

let's see if this betting holds up.
as for myself, i have pocketed 25k hard cash and it is staying hot and sweet in my pocket
i am only betting $5 per unit so i consider this a win unless i am super lucky for the past months.

hi turner,

cool. let's try to make this into a simluator and run tonnes of result in and see if it really works and not due to i am lucky lolz.

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We have a common enemy, the casino. Let's win their money.

Hi HK,

Thanks for sharing your system, I tested on Dublinbet for a few hours the other day after reading your updated post from the 19th, and I managed to win 2 sessions, however, I was playing with both the original progression posted using your attached grinding sample spreadsheet, and the "rules" from the very first post.

Do you have an updated spreadsheet as per the new progessions as above, I could probably work it out myself, thought I would ask?

Regards
Jim

[henrykay]

Hi HK,

Thanks for sharing your system, I tested on Dublinbet for a few hours the other day after reading your updated post from the 19th, and I managed to win 2 sessions, however, I was playing with both the original progression posted using your attached grinding sample spreadsheet, and the "rules" from the very first post.

Do you have an updated spreadsheet as per the new progessions as above, I could probably work it out myself, thought I would ask?

Regards
Jim

there ya go

[JimmieB]

Thanks

[falkor]

I covered the whole board except 36 and repeated the bet but removed chips from any winning number + incremented all individual numbers after 35 then 20 spins, etc.

The most I was in profit during that session was 300 near the end of the 3 chip betting and start of 4 chip betting when at least half the board had cleared.

I was left with 3 numbers that never came in, and by then had lost all the profit.

Pretty good system IMO!

[falkor]

I think it's better to cover about 2/3 of the board - perhaps wait for 9-12 numbers to drop in on empty spins and exclude those. And then somewhere in the 2-3 chip range look to end session on a 200+ high with about 6 numbers left.

Could you please tell us the betting scheme for quads/corners and splits? I guess it would be 1 chip for 8 spins and 1 chip for 17 spins respectively; how about the rest after that?

[falkor]

One problem I noticed with your spreadsheet: you multiply the payout by the units, but then you add a unit to the total; for example:
1 winning chip on a number = 35*1+1 = 36 (according to your spreadsheet)
But your profit is only 35*1 = 35! (the chips you wager are not part of your profits)

[henrykay]

hello all,

been awhile since i logged in.

yeah, falkor. i did factor in the 1+ bet  as i calculate base on total return - bet amount.
i didn't try betting quads/corners.

when i started, i mainly stick to 1 number and now i moved to 2 number massive work to be done tho keeping track of what i have bet and which level i am at.

some records for you all tho.
so far after my last post, i have doubled my bet amount and betting 2 numbers simultaneously.

i have profitted roughly 10000 units from since then haha but i ran into a losing streak of 3 continuous losses haha that wipe out my capital for that run lolz. but then looking at the points that i have accumulated, i spent my Christmas and new year with my family in MBS's room and we have a great time. although they do not know i went to casino almost every day.

if you break my run into per session, i have suffer major losses but previous gain make it up.
i have pocketed some cash and are glad that i have gotten some $$ back from casino.

those who are using the system. remember this. losses will come and something it will wipe out what you have gain.
use with cautions and mos importantly do not be greedy and gamble with what you can't afford to lose.

cheers and i will be back to post more in a couple more months

[RouletteGhost]

Months?

[GLC]

HK,  Thank you for your update.  It's exactly what is expected.  I appreciate your attitude toward gambling.  We can all learn from it.  It's my philosophy exactly.  That is, try to enjoy the game and expect to win most trips to the casino but be aware that you will have big losing sessions periodically.  Maybe the very first time you play.  It's all random.  That's why we need a stop loss that's well within our loss toleration.

It's your topic and you can post as many details as you choose, but a little more detail would make it much more interesting.  Like, could you go into a little more detail on this "...I ran into a losing streak of 3 continuous losses haha that wipe out my capital for that run."  And to elaborate on this for those who don't understand the power of getting points from a casino would be interesting, "... but then looking at the points that I have accumulated".

Good luck to you in the future and please do update us as often as you get the time,

GLC