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Started by mario12346, Apr 20, 03:44 AM 2014

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ddarko

Quote from: mario12346 on Apr 21, 07:44 PM 2014
Do you have any progression suggestions for my method?

None whatsoever, I don't play progressions & wouldn't recommend them to anybody.

If I was you I'd be looking to find a bet selection with the EC's that you can flat-bet with.

O0

SpinASequence

Reading the bet put forward by Aus reminds me of a chap who used to come into the casino quite a few years ago now before all this on-line stuff.

He used to buy in for 37 ponies (£25 chips) He would then place a chip on every number. As the dealer spun and just before he or she shouted no more bets he would take 2 chips off the layout.

I never saw him lose and I never saw him play more than one spin. He cashed in his winnings and left!

In those days that was a very nice daily profit!


ausguy

SaS - I'm gunna' try the 35 in a few weeks, once I do my move, at Smart Live. I'll do the minimum off 1GBP bets x 35 = BR 35GBP.

I just made up a draw of 30 numbers being random picks of 1 hour of 2 minute spins. 2 x 30 = 60min. I drew out 5 tickets so the bets were 5th spin @ 10min. 7th @ 14 min. 11th @ 22min. 14th @ 28min. & 23rd @ 46min. Prior to the play I will randomly pick 5 x 2 numbers for the non bet picks.

Assuming we always win, I just did some quick calcs on the compounding, as in reinvesting the winnings back into the bets. After 19 days (remember we are only spending up to 1 hour to bet, or with the above picks it's all done at 46 minutes) we get to doubling the 35 start BR every day. It would take a bit more detail calculating but it wouldn't be all that long before we are betting the maximum 100GBP per number = 3,500 of the casinos money to profit @ 500GBP per day.

Play it 5 days per week gives 2 1/2k quid @ 5 hours work. Hard to believe, yes ? It won't work some may say, maybe ? With a 35/37 & 94.59% chance
of winning & 2/37 & 5.41% chance of losing I like the odds. As always the plays will be the judge. Anyone care to take this on also & risk 35 quid ?

Mario, hello Mario are you there ? Anyone seen Mario ?

mario12346

Just woke up and off to work but Ill re-read this in more detail later but it sounds like an interesting challenge!



winkel

Quote from: SpinASequence on Apr 20, 05:23 AM 2014

It's so simple. It's that simple that people dismiss it!

Is it that? NO!

Step 1. You always play the same as the last colour of the previous spin - SAL
Step 2. You don't bet the last number
Step 3. You only bet 4 chips on 4 different numbers straight up

As you are not playing the last number - say it is 5R - you are narrowing your selection down to 17 numbers.

Is there any reason that will give us any advantage?

Why do you follow the colour from the previous spin - SAL? Because you will pick up any short or long runs of that colour, giving you 4 chances to win 32 chips!

Funny idea! Because all runs of a Colour will longterm be the same as the RB or BR chances

Are you with it so far?

NO! That is gamblers Fallacy at its best

If you record the numbers it will even tell you which numbers NOT to bet!

Don't believe me?

No! And nobody else should do.

Record the last 37 spins from any REAL wheel. Forget rng! Forget!

Why? if you record always 37 spins there are a limited number of possible appearances. And none of them is impossible. So why should a random generator produce non-possible outcomes?

You will always find there are 12 numbers that are no-shows. Now to make up for that some of the other numbers must hit more than once. Agreed?

Not agreed! Because the range is from 11 hit to 32 hit numbers. Always therefore is definitely a lie. The most count of no-shows is 13 or 14 not 12

So you have an even better chance by referring to this FACT of selecting the winning number. If you miss you lose 4 chips. Big deal!

It's better than any martingale. Even if you start with a pound and double up till you win you could be risking £64 and to win what - a pound!

This is a hit and run way of playing method. If you get in front - walk!
And don´t even think about this a second time

Little wins add up. I am 300 units up playing this way the last fortnight!

Please do not check this using 100000 rng numbers because it will only work with a REAL wheel. Do not play it on-line except for live roulette and do not play it in the bookies!

SAS

Don´t trust people who know that little about roulette!

br
winkel
There is always a game

SpinASequence

Of course, the numbers will even out long term! I am talking short term while you are in the casino playing. You will be able to take advantage of any short or longer runs of the same colour. It's an automatic choice.

"On a double-zero wheel let us compare playing four units for 38 spins on the same color that hit with four units played: two on red and two on black numbers. Now in 38 spins the person playing "two and two" would outright lose two units 38 times, which is 76 units on the color that did not come up; that leaves them two chances in 38 spins on the color that hit; now they will lose two more units 36 out of 38 times which is 72 units more; now the two times they hit they only lose one unit each time. So what we have is the "two and two" player will lose four units 36 times and three units two times for a total loss of 150 units. To offset this you only win 34 units twice for a total of 68 units. Subtract 68 units from 150 units and you have a loss of 82 units in 38 spins, which is 54.6%. From this statistic you can see that playing more than one color at a time is a "No-No"; it's the major reason why players lose so much so quickly. Now the single color player will outright lose four units 19 times for 76 units and four units 15 times for 60 units and three units four times for 12 units for a total of 148 units. Now to offset this you win 32 units four times for a total of 128 units. When you subtract 128 units from 148 units lost, you lose 20 units, which is 13.2%. But because you do not play the last number hit, you are always trying to hit four numbers from 18 red or 18 black numbers instead of from 19 red or black numbers."

You are right about the number of no-shows however on a single zero wheel It's about 13.5 on average.

Now go to your casino and follow the colour, don't bet on the last number and select 4 numbers straight up

For today, If BLACK is the previous colour, bet : 4 13 22 and 31. Also 9 if you want cover.  ;)

You can think what you like Winkler! I am winning using this strategy so that's all that matters, to me anyway!

Good luck!

SAS

winkel

All I can say is that your logic and math is wrong:

If you play 4 numbers you will have a hitrate of 4/37 (4/38) no matter of choosing a colour or a hit or nonhit number.

br
winkel
There is always a game

mario12346

Quote from: ausguy on Apr 22, 02:58 AM 2014
SaS - I'm gunna' try the 35 in a few weeks, once I do my move, at Smart Live. I'll do the minimum off 1GBP bets x 35 = BR 35GBP.

I just made up a draw of 30 numbers being random picks of 1 hour of 2 minute spins. 2 x 30 = 60min. I drew out 5 tickets so the bets were 5th spin @ 10min. 7th @ 14 min. 11th @ 22min. 14th @ 28min. & 23rd @ 46min. Prior to the play I will randomly pick 5 x 2 numbers for the non bet picks.

Assuming we always win, I just did some quick calcs on the compounding, as in reinvesting the winnings back into the bets. After 19 days (remember we are only spending up to 1 hour to bet, or with the above picks it's all done at 46 minutes) we get to doubling the 35 start BR every day. It would take a bit more detail calculating but it wouldn't be all that long before we are betting the maximum 100GBP per number = 3,500 of the casinos money to profit @ 500GBP per day.

Play it 5 days per week gives 2 1/2k quid @ 5 hours work. Hard to believe, yes ? It won't work some may say, maybe ? With a 35/37 & 94.59% chance
of winning & 2/37 & 5.41% chance of losing I like the odds. As always the plays will be the judge. Anyone care to take this on also & risk 35 quid ?

Mario, hello Mario are you there ? Anyone seen Mario ?

I wouldnt mind taking this on, you only risk £35 of your own money!

But wouldnt it be more random to just pick 35 numbers on the spot as opposed to drawing out tickets? And also just do it randomly 5 times a day instead of timing it at intervals? Also maybe do each spin on a different wheel, even one after the other? Or leave the 2 cold numbers uncovered?


Marios

nottophammer

Quote from: ausguy on Apr 22, 02:58 AM 2014
SaS - I'm gunna' try the 35 in a few weeks, once I do my move, at Smart Live. I'll do the minimum off 1GBP bets x 35 = BR 35GBP.

I just made up a draw of 30 numbers being random picks of 1 hour of 2 minute spins. 2 x 30 = 60min. I drew out 5 tickets so the bets were 5th spin @ 10min. 7th @ 14 min. 11th @ 22min. 14th @ 28min. & 23rd @ 46min. Prior to the play I will randomly pick 5 x 2 numbers for the non bet picks.

Assuming we always win, I just did some quick calcs on the compounding, as in reinvesting the winnings back into the bets. After 19 days (remember we are only spending up to 1 hour to bet, or with the above picks it's all done at 46 minutes) we get to doubling the 35 start BR every day. It would take a bit more detail calculating but it wouldn't be all that long before we are betting the maximum 100GBP per number = 3,500 of the casinos money to profit @ 500GBP per day.

Play it 5 days per week gives 2 1/2k quid @ 5 hours work. Hard to believe, yes ? It won't work some may say, maybe ? With a 35/37 & 94.59% chance
of winning & 2/37 & 5.41% chance of losing I like the odds. As always the plays will be the judge. Anyone care to take this on also & risk 35 quid ?

Mario, hello Mario are you there ? Anyone seen Mario ?
like the german officer said to richard attenburgh and gordon jackson in the great escape "good luck".                    Well "good luck "Ausguy
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

SpinASequence

Quote from: winkel on Apr 22, 09:55 AM 2014
All I can say is that your logic and math is wrong:

If you play 4 numbers you will have a hitrate of 4/37 (4/38) no matter of choosing a colour or a hit or nonhit number.

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winkel


Your maths are right Winkler!
But I am exceeding the mathematical hit rate by playing this way, so I am in profit!

Good luck!

SAS


ausguy

I just did a test on Smart Live of the 35 numbers idea & had it all nicely typed up when Simple Machines timed me out & flicked my post.
So I ain't "gunna" redo it, so I'll just summarise the plays & leave it at that.

The main news is that it was a winner. The when to bet numbers were the ones I had from yesterday. The 2 non bet numbers were random draw picks I did today.

23 spins took 40 minutes. The 5 wins were at Spin 5. 11B & 18R to lose, 10B spun & W. Spin 7. 9R & 1R to lose, 8B spun & W. Spin 11. 12R & 7R to lose, 23R spun & W. Spin 14. 13B & 9R to lose, 15B spun & W. Spin 23. 10B & 25R to lose, 9R spun & won.

The closest pockets apart non bet numbers ranged from 5 to 9 so no real close calls.

It could be a long term winner taking up no more than an hour of play time per day ?  Low money play to start but with compounding & nil losses could be making some serious money after 1 month, probably close to maximum bets all using the casinos money. Take a little profit along the way (at least get your low roller 35 quid back) then after that you can't lose playing with OPM = Other Peoples Money as in casino funded betting. Now that surely is a Grail.

mario12346

Yes as long as you withdraw your 35 quid once youve doubled it then you cant lose unless you get really unlucky. Or you could use another 35 quid to start another similar thing on another site. Less chance of both of them failing.

SpinASequence

Quote from: winkel on Apr 22, 09:55 AM 2014
All I can say is that your logic and math is wrong:

If you play 4 numbers you will have a hitrate of 4/37 (4/38) no matter of choosing a colour or a hit or nonhit number.

br
winkel



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7 1 3 8 3 8   0  5 6 1 4 3 2
2                                   7
9                                   8
4                                   7
9                                   6
4                                   9
5 2 1 6 7 6 5 1 5 8 3 2 9 4


This is the single 0 wheel I play!

Proofreaders2000

I've found repeating Even Chance, Dozens, Streets, Lines are the way to go in general.
Just follow the wheel--If it is majority Red the next spins are likely going to be Red.

If you find a street that has hit more than the other
streets chances are that street will continue to be hot.

Unless the wheel is dishonest the repeaters win out.

mario12346


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