Some ideas on table layout betting. (Subject modified)

[falkor]

Just looking at Level 0 to Level 1. I definitely need to test using a maximum 3 DSs next, as the bankroll for playing a maximum of 5 is quite high for me:

[falkor]

BTW, If anyone would like to see all the 70K+ sets, charted over 1,000,000 spins, I have uploaded them all here:
link:s://:.sendspace.com/file/awt6zs

[sean43]

I've been reading through this all over the last few days trying to get my head round it. First of all though, thank you for providing this exciting method but also falkor all your hard work.

One question for you Falkor, how are you playing it currently? I'm currently trying various ways but can't seem to nail it.

[warrior]

Well I never expected to have an audience thankyou .
If you play with this method please have adequate  bank please do not go in with 100$ and expect a miracle this  is  from experience .
I'am lucky because where I live we have 3 casinos within 25 mins. Apart I had a little chit chat with the pit boss today I asked him if they were going to get Rapid roulette he said no because in Vancouver it did not take off so I said well you try here it would work ,I really didn't care I was only thinking of my self it would be a lot more spins an hour lol. Isn't ironic that the head pit boss managers wife is one of my employee and they have no clue on what I do .

[falkor]

Sean, i'm currently looking at several variations based around bankroll. The above method plays up to 5 DSs, but requires a huge bankroll of at least 1,000.

Other variations:

Cheapest: play up to 3 DSs, but when 4 opens do not bet until it has gone back down to 3, so that includes not playing 5 and 6 (you would never play 6 anyway with the most expensive variation unless using the medium variations below but even then it might be best to always pause at 6).

Medium BR: play 3 DSs max and make sure one of them is in the same dozen for 4,5,6 open DSs. I am going to come up with a progression for this soon after I've done some testing and nailed down how to select the 3rd DS outside the dozen.

Another Medium BR variation: play up to 3 DSs to start with until 4+ opens then switch to only 2 DSs in any dozen. I don't think we would stick with the same pair necessarily throughout this phase, as warrior talks of "moving targets", so I guess we are following whatever DSs are forming dozens. But I can test this too to confirm.

[warrior]

Today on one of my 3 session of play I closed out the 3rd DS at 26 spins. The guy next to me was following my play but had no clue what I was doing , I was in it for 375$ and he would start by saying it's not your day , I don't talk to anyone when I'm playing , but I responded ,with this next spin I will win and I will  leave because I'm getting hungry he looked at me like I was from another planet when I won . One of the lady dealers on the first session had a look in here eyes , like you poor soul why don't you just give up ,I'm only in for 15 spins she had no clue what was about to happen yes I looked at her, you poor soul you have to stand there for the next 30 mins and I left. Just thought I would share some of my experience .have a good one .Warrior

[Turner]

I can kinda see whats going on from Falkors posts, but the sudden emergence of a high BR has confused me..
Ive always read into this that it is within 37 spins, and you are winning 12u or so, usually within 14 or so spins.

Why do we need such a massive BR to win 12u in a handful of spins

That fact seems to have surfaced recently

[falkor]

I can kinda see whats going on from Falkors posts, but the sudden emergence of a high BR has confused me..
Ive always read into this that it is within 37 spins, and you are winning 12u or so, usually within 14 or so spins.

Why do we need such a massive BR to win 12u in a handful of spins

That fact seems to have surfaced recently

If you get a gap of 6 or 7 at the beginning of the cycle and are playing up to 5 DSs, a bankroll of 1,000 is required, but then you can win as much as you want in the next few levels upon reaching end of set. Just under 200 sets out of 70K+ opened up at around the 7 gap mark, ie. 7 losses in a row, but then you would be expected to make about 1,000 profit in completing those sets (about 300 x 3+)! Therefore you would end up doubling your money - guaranteed!

[warrior]

I can kinda see whats going on from Falkors posts, but the sudden emergence of a high BR has confused me..
Ive always read into this that it is within 37 spins, and you are winning 12u or so, usually within 14 or so spins.

Why do we need such a massive BR to win 12u in a handful of spins

That fact seems to have surfaced recently

12 unit is an example everyone should have a win goal  like today my win goal was 25 units . It all depends on bank . We need reserve you cannot go with small bank ,today I needed my reserve it helps . Look at the Casinos they have a very large reserve ,yes they do lose but they have more then us to get them through the slump.
The method can close within 12 spins but not always ,you have to keep in mind that this is not a mechanical way of  betting this is always in motion.

[Chris555p]

@ Falkor / Warrior - Thanks for the information / assitance. Yes it would be
great  if a cheaper or a medium bankroll could be used for the system even if that
means betting only 3 or 4 DS. A bigger br could be used afterwards, using
Mr Casino $......

[warrior]

@ Falkor / Warrior - Thanks for the information / assitance. Yes it would be
great  if a cheaper or a medium bankroll could be used for the system even if that
means betting only 3 or 4 DS. A bigger br could be used afterwards, using
Mr Casino $......

Chris the idea is to make some of casino $ at the beginning so when you get to the last 2 sheeps  your play with there money you must calculate how many spins you have left for the cycle to end and what your willing to risk from your winning ok.

[falkor]

@ Falkor / Warrior - Thanks for the information / assitance. Yes it would be
great  if a cheaper or a medium bankroll could be used for the system even if that
means betting only 3 or 4 DS. A bigger br could be used afterwards, using
Mr Casino $......

5 DS max (expensive) stats look like this:
Sets: 72705
Gap0max: 9 Gap1max: 14 Gap2max: 15 Gap3max: 21 Gap4max: 22 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 12 Gap8max: 7 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 5

3 DS max ignoring 4,5,6 completely (cheapest) stats look like this:
Sets: 72705
Gap0max: 18 Gap1max: 15 Gap2max: 15 Gap3max: 21 Gap4max: 22 Gap5max: 17 Gap6max: 14 Gap7max: 12 Gap8max: 7 Gap9max: 6 Gap10max: 5

The 18 (really = 17) progression will be divided into 3 phases:
Phase 1: betting 1-3 DSs until the 4th one has opened = how many spins? (some loss expected)
Phase 2: virtual losses (no betting) until 4 has gone up to maybe 5 or 6 and then come back down to 3 = how many spins? (dunno yet)
Phase 3: Resume betting to attempt to close the 4th DS based on how much you lost in Phase 1 and plan to recoup and maybe even come out with a profit = how many spins? (TBC)

So those 3 phases will never total more than a 17 step progression. The beginning starts out with flat-betting and the middle is purely virtual. 1,000 bankroll here would cover you for 11 actual placed bets @ 3 DSs (not including virtual bets or the virtually priceless flat-bets), but I'm anticipating about half that bankroll for this variation - TBC.

Note: the above is how to get out of a worst case scenario for a variation of the system with only limited functionality.

[Chris555p]

@ Falkor / Warrior -  Yes thanks for the info

[falkor]

Sean, i'm currently looking at several variations based around bankroll. The above method plays up to 5 DSs, but requires a huge bankroll of at least 1,000.

Other variations:

Cheapest: play up to 3 DSs, but when 4 opens do not bet until it has gone back down to 3, so that includes not playing 5 and 6 (you would never play 6 anyway with the most expensive variation unless using the medium variations below but even then it might be best to always pause at 6).

Medium BR: play 3 DSs max and make sure one of them is in the same dozen for 4,5,6 open DSs. I am going to come up with a progression for this soon after I've done some testing and nailed down how to select the 3rd DS outside the dozen.

Another Medium BR variation: play up to 3 DSs to start with until 4+ opens then switch to only 2 DSs in any dozen. I don't think we would stick with the same pair necessarily throughout this phase, as warrior talks of "moving targets", so I guess we are following whatever DSs are forming dozens. But I can test this too to confirm.

Another variation is just to play 4 DSs, so that cuts out most of the huge BR of playing 5 by removing the last step of the progression so is another medium-to-high-end variation.

I've started charting some sets that will be helpful in understanding the optimum way of playing 2-3 DSs and testing how to corner them (part 1/10 attached)

[falkor]

Set, Winning Spin # (open DSs)

590   9 (4)   
604   9 (4)   
1312   9 (5)   
1395   10 (4)   
1509   9 (4)   
1690   8 (6)   
1703   8 (5)   
2355   12 (3)   
2633   8 (4)   
2639   Oldest   8 (4)
2639   Dozen+Oldest   9 (4)
2639   Dozen+Newest   8 (4)
4070   Oldest   8 (5)
4070   Dozen+Oldest   8 (5)
4070   Dozen+Newest   8 (5)
5647   9 (5)   
5747   8 (5)   
6498   9 (4)   
6625   Oldest   8 (4)
6625   Dozen+Oldest   8 (4)
6625   Dozen+Newest   8 (4)
      
7477   9 (5)   
7590   8 (6)   
8020   8 (5)   
8039   9 (5)   
8309   9 (4)   
9092   8 (5)   
9228   9 (5)   
9422   11 (4)   
9755   8 (5)   
9902   8 (4)   
10286   Oldest   8(5)
10286   Dozen+Oldest   8(5)
10286   Dozen+Newest   9(4)
10301   8 (5)   
10511   Oldest   10 (4)
10511   Dozen+Oldest   11 (3)
10511   Dozen+Newest   10 (4)
10618   8 (3)   
11042   8 (5)   
11076   14 (2)   

Staying on the same DSs here requires a bankroll of 14 (winning spin) - 4 (4 DSs opened) = 3 DS @ 10 steps = 1,000
However, the last set would have gone to the next level quicker if we dynamically changed our bet selection based on the dozens, but then I would have to re-test all the other sets again to see if that consistently wins.

Other less aggressive methods still to test: 2 DSs only based on dozen and not betting 4-6 at all.

Playing 4 DSs (160) might be cheaper than playing 3 DSs, but not cheaper than 5 DSs!