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About airball roulette and a patented cheat

Started by birima, Dec 19, 05:10 PM 2014

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psimoes

[Math+1] beats a Math game

birima

Until not long time ago I was speculating about the subject of my opening thread but do remember, it is all plain described in the patent. No word Chinese. By the way, I posted a second video with the same content on YouTube but for the Dutch players in Dutch language. I just want to point out the quality got better. The English clip was my first produced movie in Movie Maker and the Dutch clip was the second :D. It''s a learning curve  :) :) :)
Air ball roulette Fair or rigged link:[url="//s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0"]s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0[/url]

iggiv

Incredible. I read the stuff. Speechless. Who gonna play these machines then?

birima

QuoteIncredible. I read the stuff. Speechless. Who gonna play these machines then?

Everyday a new sucker is born.  :)
Air ball roulette Fair or rigged link:[url="//s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0"]s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0[/url]

psimoes

Wouldn´t be surprised if they fluctuate the edge in order to atract players and then milk them. The technology makes it possible. And the machine could do the management by itself. They treat us like cattle, man.
[Math+1] beats a Math game

birima

I digged up some other raw material from patents online for those who still doubt the predictive capabilities of auto/ air ball roulettes (This might become my new hobby) :).

This...

The location of the roulette ball and the home position may be determined at 608, e.g., when the roulette ball comes to a stop in a slot. Alternatively, predictive techniques may be used to determine in advance which slot will receive the roulette ball. Some such techniques may involve determining a ball position and/or trajectory when the ball has slowed to a threshold speed. Some such implementations provide magnets or the like to influence which slot will receive the ball, e.g.,

And this...

The rotation of the roulette wheel may be stopped at 610 to indicate the winning number corresponding with a random number generated by the random number generator.

And this...

In another embodiment, the separator may not have any separators as discussed above. As such, the sensor may be a plurality of electromagnets coupled to the underside of each of the slots. Once the random winning number is generated, the electromagnet under the slot corresponding to the winning number on the outer and/or inner ring may be activated to attract the roulette ball. The processor may then control the spin of the outer ring, separator ring, and inner ring to stop at the random winner number. In another embodiment, only one electromagnet may be required wherein the ball will always stop in the same slot. The processor may then control the spin of the outer ring, separator ring, and inner ring to stop at the random winner number.
A solution to overcome these problems is provided in US 7 762 883 , disclosing a motorized random number based roulette wheel. When a game of roulette is played, a number generator is arranged to provide a random number to a processor. Thereafter, the ball decreases in speed and enter one of the slots which is noticed by the processor. The rotation of the wheel is then decreased and controlled by means of a motor such that the number provided to the processor by the number generator corresponds to the slot where the ball has entered, i.e. the winning number is the number generated by the random number generator.


Cheers to all
Air ball roulette Fair or rigged link:[url="//s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0"]s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0[/url]

nottophammer

Quote from: psimoes on Dec 20, 06:22 PM 2014
Wise words, but assuming the arcade roulettes (well, the ones you find at the bookeepers) are rigged, the idea of a rigged mechanical roulette is plausible.
Quote from: wiggy on Dec 20, 06:40 PM 2014
My advice to anyone who plays the arcade style roulette machines in bookmakers is to stay away from them.

Up until about 18 months ago, if you pressed the button at the same time as the guy next to you on another machine, you both got the same random number.

That does not happen anymore. You both get a different number. Try it and see.  >:D
Wiggy you could be right as i pushed the button so did the person next to me,now i thought we'll get the same #, but when looking at their machine ( now Ausguy old friend  i know should not play rng) the image of a spinning roulette wheel was going in the other direction to mine, so no we wont get the same #, but they got 28  i got 29, so if i was a nano second behind or if you've noticed you are not in the draw,then thats maybe why i got the next ascending or descending (which one is right for the PC brigade) number.
Psimoes if you care to download the stakes sheet in Ddarkos topic it all relates to bookies roulette,its not quite up todate as been lazy but only on friday i could see in a group of 10 spins i'll post it later you'll see the 10 spins, it starts on the 35th spin , it relates to spins 11 to 20, which has 8 numbers with 2 repeats, as said the stakes sheet needs up dating,but i've seen 8 numbers take 31 spins to come in,(dane could you work out how long 8 could miss for with those fancy formulas, thanks) well the stakes sheet says could bet for 17 spins but if updated max spin would be 31,so take the 17 from the 31 difference 14, so wait 14 then start to bet, well it got to 14 repeats and thought no if it goes 32 it will have caught me, lets see if i'd been betting for the 8th number Jimmie b knows, so waited and 17 spins went would be well out of pocket, so now start to bet remember only bet for 17 spins as will be at max bet in bookies, well on my 14th spin it came in, which would have been31 spins, if went when the 14th repeat came.  So are they cheating or is it just like the live roulette ? but its only an EGM
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

birima

Hi Nottophammer,

Are you talking here about airball (auto mechanical setup with real wheel and ball) or slots with a graphical display of a roulette wheel?.
Air ball roulette Fair or rigged link:[url="//s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0"]s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4iumD4amuk0[/url]

nottophammer

graphical display of a roulette wheel

Know a gentleman who took corals  to the gaming commission about payouts in bookie roulette and was dismissed,
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

wiggy

Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 17, 07:43 PM 2015
Wiggy you could be right as i pushed the button so did the person next to me,now i thought we'll get the same #, but when looking at their machine ( now Ausguy old friend  i know should not play rng) the image of a spinning roulette wheel was going in the other direction to mine, so no we wont get the same #, but they got 28  i got 29, so if i was a nano second behind or if you've noticed you are not in the draw,then thats maybe why i got the next ascending or descending (which one is right for the PC brigade) number.


Here is the way they work now Nottophammer,

The machine picks out around 9 random numbers. It will decide if it is going to pay you on your lowest bet number or highest bet number (assuming you have bet on some of the 9 numbers that were randomly picked) depending on how much in front or behind these machines are with regards to payout percentages. So there is no point playing any strategy on them when they work like this. It's not illegal or cheating because they do pay out at the 97.30% which they are supposed to.

The change was very crafty in my opinion, because before, everybody could win if they picked the right numbers and the operators could lose a lot more short term than 2.7% before the 'long term' kicked in. They have got around that 'problem' now and can regulate things more efficiently.

This is not second hand info or what my mate told me down the pub. This IS the way they now work.

My advice...don't play them unless you have a few quid to throw away.
"You can lead a human to intelligence, but you can't make him think''

ddarko

Quote from: wiggy on Jan 18, 08:43 AM 2015
Here is the way they work now Nottophammer,

The machine picks out around 9 random numbers. It will decide if it is going to pay you on your lowest bet number or highest bet number (assuming you have bet on some of the 9 numbers that were randomly picked) depending on how much in front or behind these machines are with regards to payout percentages. So there is no point playing any strategy on them when they work like this. It's not illegal or cheating because they do pay out at the 97.30% which they are supposed to.

The change was very crafty in my opinion, because before, everybody could win if they picked the right numbers and the operators could lose a lot more short term than 2.7% before the 'long term' kicked in. They have got around that 'problem' now and can regulate things more efficiently.

This is not second hand info or what my mate told me down the pub. This IS the way they now work.

My advice...don't play them unless you have a few quid to throw away.

Could I ask how you know this please Wiggy ?

Thxs

O0

wiggy

Quote from: ddarko on Jan 18, 09:02 AM 2015
Could I ask how you know this please Wiggy ?

Thxs

O0

I am not on the inside ddarko....but I am close to someone who is. This info is not really out there and I suppose most people were not even aware about the change with regards to the same number not coming up anymore if two people pressed the button at the same time. It's worth repeating the payout is still 97.30%. However, it's not really roulette in a traditional sense is it?

I just hope it enlightens anybody who thinks playing a strategy on one of these machines would be the same as playing against a live wheel spun by a croupier.

Thanks.
"You can lead a human to intelligence, but you can't make him think''

ddarko

Quote from: wiggy on Jan 18, 09:49 AM 2015
I am not on the inside ddarko....but I am close to someone who is. This info is not really out there and I suppose most people were not even aware about the change with regards to the same number not coming up anymore if two people pressed the button at the same time. It's worth repeating the payout is still 97.30%. However, it's not really roulette in a traditional sense is it?

I just hope it enlightens anybody who thinks playing a strategy on one of these machines would be the same as playing against a live wheel spun by a croupier.

Thanks.

Thxs for the reply Wiggy  :thumbsup: How on earth can it be legal when it picks 9 random numbers (& one number from them) when it should be picking one of 37 random numbers should it not ?

They are already a cash cow for thousands of bookies in the Uk & this change will keep that money coming in at an
even steadier flow than before....

O0

wiggy

I can only assume it is to cause some kind of psychological impact which can lead to addiction. Heavy winning runs or heavy losing runs will cause the player to experience a lot of highs and lows all in a very short space of time. There is a reason why some people call these machines the 'crack cocaine' of gambling. A lot of money and research goes into all this kind of stuff to maximize profits. Nobody should really be surprised. As long as they pay out at 97.30% as stated on the machine.
"You can lead a human to intelligence, but you can't make him think''

ddarko

Quote from: wiggy on Jan 18, 10:23 AM 2015
I can only assume it is to cause some kind of psychological impact which can lead to addiction. Heavy winning runs or heavy losing runs will cause the player to experience a lot of highs and lows all in a very short space of time. There is a reason why some people call these machines the 'crack cocaine' of gambling. A lot of money and research goes into all this kind of stuff to maximize profits. Nobody should really be surprised. As long as they pay out at 97.30% as stated on the machine.

No doubt the bookies will sight those bold sentences as the reason they did it, should this information ever hit the mainstream...

Stand up kinda guys right ? 

No, just ask William Hill  ;)

O0

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