Known Avg but probably disagree

[iggiv]

maybe in the ideal world. Where human can control his muscle work  and wheel and ball speed like a robot. But that's just plain impossible.

If the wheel spins and the ball is thrown at constant INITIAL velocity there will be patterns.

edited - sorry

[Turner]

nottophamer

The maths is simply the expected average over many spins, which is around once in every 4 spins for both 9 and 10 numbers

It doesnt help you in the short term, as you know, its an average

I seem to remember a dozen can sleep 40+ times, so 9 or 10 could sleep 60 -70?

I wouldnt work it out as its not worth knowing. I just know it can sleep a long time.

[nottophammer]

okay we've got some replies, so is it worth knowing the avg of when backing 9 numbers is likely to hit,like turner says 4 spins, but if you know its longest avg from your personal records says 23, is it safe to say wait for 4 spins and then go for it

[iggiv]

you don't understand Hammer.

there is no DUE. If average did not hit it does not mean it's gonna hit sooner. It may mean it will hit now and it may mean this group is going for long sleep.

What you are trying to do is to fall into gambler fallacy again. I am tired already of giving this link from wiki. Find yourself what gambler fallacy means. It's exactly what you think. That if average did not hit it's gonna hit sooner. It is not. You think nobody tried it before you? You think i did not experiment with it? It's a way to nowhere, believe me bud. Cold numbers don't work!

What you can try occasionally though is looking for a trend. For example chose a group of numbers which hit recently then slept for short period then hit again. Not exactly like i say. But mostly they hit but that does not mean that you have to bet all the last numbers hit. You can try this too but very carefully. Dont repeat your patterns try to change them. While catching trends. For example don't
stop just on 9 numbers. Make different bets. And better more than just 9. Try with a few bets to cover all the wheel, not just 9 numbers which may go to sleep. And don't play for too long cause randomness will kill all your bet selections.

[ddarko]

@ Hammer

Have you ever thought that due to the fact that a normal live roulette wheel can spit virtually any combination
of spins out, in fact, nothing is ever due ?

[Azim]

okay we've got some replies, so is it worth knowing the avg of when backing 9 numbers is likely to hit,like turner says 4 spins, but if you know its longest avg from your personal records says 23, is it safe to say wait for 4 spins and then go for it

Can I burst your bubble and say.  Even with the numbers I will give you there is no such word as "DUE"

Safest time to bet a 9 or 10 number sleeping sector is waiting minimum 15 to 17 spins.

That also is not a 100% either.

You asking for 9 to 10 numbers scattered all over the wheel...

[nottophammer]

for tomorrow off up the wooden hill

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13 angela now
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not good -£216.00 for £1.00 chips

[nottophammer]

for tomorrow off up the wooden hill

27
28
15
7
30
34
31
3
6
31

6
30
12
12
7
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28 jason finish
13 angela now
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0

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8 jason back
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4 angela back
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not good -£216.00 for £1.00 chips

you don't understand Hammer.

there is no DUE. If average did not hit it does not mean it's gonna hit sooner. It may mean it will hit now and it may mean this group is going for long sleep.

What you are trying to do is to fall into gambler fallacy again. I am tired already of giving this link from wiki. Find yourself what gambler fallacy means. It's exactly what you think. That if average did not hit it's gonna hit sooner. It is not. You think nobody tried it before you? You think i did not experiment with it? It's a way to nowhere, believe me bud. Cold numbers don't work!

What you can try occasionally though is looking for a trend. For example chose a group of numbers which hit recently then slept for short period then hit again. Not exactly like i say. But mostly they hit but that does not mean that you have to bet all the last numbers hit. You can try this too but very carefully. Dont repeat your patterns try to change them. While catching trends. For example don't
stop just on 9 numbers. Make different bets. And better more than just 9. Try with a few bets to cover all the wheel, not just 9 numbers which may go to sleep. And don't play for too long cause randomness will kill all your bet selections.

@ Hammer

Have you ever thought that due to the fact that a normal live roulette wheel can spit virtually any combination
of spins out, in fact, nothing is ever due ?

i'll lay it out like preacher iggiv.  DUE.

Theres 37 buses in the garage. We all know what its like waiting for the number 11 bus, never comes on time ,but he's due.
Just like the 11th number to be scrubbed out of our 37 numbers, hes DUE.

In the above 60 spins we're going to cross of the 37 numbers as they come, like our number 11 bus,he's due because we start with 37 and know one is due.
Well our first 10 spins or waiting for the ten buses to show we can see that 9 have turned up, we got 2,31's turn up,typical.
In our wait for the next 10 spins (busses to come) we see bus 6 turns up again, wheres that 11,hes not due because we're waiting for bus number 10 whos over due, 2 more buses come but ther've already been, sowheres number 10,hold up buses 6and 30 leave wheres number 10 hes DUE, here he comes bus number 12. So now we've scrubbed 10 of the 37,how long for number 11 to be scrubbed.

Well if you kept a record you'd have an idea, well hammers time table says you might wait for 5 buses. Look our 11th number took three turns and Hammer knows he can bet that as max stake being a £100.00, he starts with .20pence units and can cover three chances in this came of chance because hes got the time table for the buses. Now with the clever time table you can see when a bus is DUE, but we know busses dont always run on time, like numbers going of our 37 numbered mat but we can see we've crossed of 11 now. Look time table says bus 12 or the 12th number to get crossed out can take 7 spins, how does hammer know this, well its down to keeping records and over time an avg appears, but its not gospel preacher Iggiv, buses dont run on schedule as our Preacher and DD know.
But our 12th number or bus arrived,so Iggiv and DD ask Hammer when bus 13 coming, well you might wait for six from my past experiance of waiting for busses, well he came in 2spins.

But Hammer knows a time table will always be open to change but avg gives a good idea of what to come, Hammers time table could be like falkor book on ds/s if he can run all the spins, because like Hammers time table some clever person could track this idea, but over millions of spins you'd get an avg for each number you want to cross out.
And as you can see the next 3 busses came on time 1 spin each, but

[nottophammer]

d'you like my story BUD

[psimoes]

maybe in the ideal world. Where human can control his muscle work  and wheel and ball speed like a robot. But that's just plain impossible.

More like an ideal airball machine. That's why they change ball, air pressure and rotation speed.
But "just plain impossible" for humans IT ISN'T. They don't change dealers for coffee breaks.
To avoid the inevitable...

- IT IS!
- IT IS NOT!
- IT IS!
- IT IS NOT!

... shall we agree to disagree?

[psimoes]

The irritating bit about the "nothing is due" is that it serves both ways. Sleepers are a no-no because no number is due to hit, and hot numbers aren't guaranteed to keep hitting at some expected pace as well. Both situations cancel each other out.

However, the Law of Large Numbers, Regression Towards the Mean etc teach us the opposite. Shouldn't we say "Nothing is Due In the Short Term" instead? Just wondering...

I'm yet to discover a method based solely on Math and Statistics that wins constantly. After calculating the odds and managing the bank correctly, if we take AP out of the picture I'm afraid GF is all we have left.

[Turner]

Notto'
Buses have a timetable....random numbers dont.
Buses leave the garage and leave a gap....random numbers dont
Its not bingo.
Every number has the same odds to come out...36:1

[Azim]

There is no such thing as Bus 11 is due to come out, because it has time.

People have lost fortunes trying to wait and not take another bus.

Like I said, you will have to wait minimum 15 to 17 spins and not 4 like you said.

That also has no assurance that your bus will come.

Good Luck with this.

[Azim]

nottophammer,

I have a quick question for you...  Ok...


We are going to wait 4 to 5 spins for 9 to 10 numbers..

How many spins will you wait for 17 numbers? Average for 17 numbers is 2 to 3 spins?

[Turner]

Notto

Imagine a supercasino. The biggest in the world. It has 37 wheels

You go to table 1 and note a spin, say 13
You go to table 2 and note a spin, say 22
You go to table 3 and note a spin, say 6
..
..
..
You go to table 36 and note the spin, say 33
You go to table 37 and note the spin, say 3

when you look at your 37 spins from 37 tables, you would have around 24 hit and 13 not hit.

wheels have no memory. They dont know what is hit and what is due. Any 37 random numbers from anywhere will fit the Normal distribution curve

If you play 1 table for 12 spins, then go for lunch. You play 12 more spins and go home. You come back the next week, and play 13 more spins, the 37 spins will fit the normal distribution curve (on fair wheels)

Each number has the same chance of hitting, i.e.36:1

but they only pay 35:1 keeping a house edge of 2.7%

So how does that fit in with this thread?

Well, after collecting your 37 spins from 37 tables, the 13 that didnt hit have the same chance of hitting as the 24 that did.

or....the 24 that hit have no less chance of hitting than the 13 that didnt.

The 13 are not due in any way