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Started by Priyanka, Sep 15, 08:28 PM 2015

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falkor2k15

Quote from: Herby on Jan 06, 06:27 AM 2017
Who decides what is overly complex ?
If one tries to find a way to the impossible it's not a good advice to avoid the complex.
Need explore simple solution first. If no success then move to more complex, i.e. parallel and VdW. For example, we can guarantee a repeat will occur next dozen cycle just from monitoring 2 constants based around 1 stream.

We can measure the dozen stream as cycles with Defining Element - supported by the first repeat on SD Dozens, i.e. 1231 11 = DDDS.

d100 dsd10  >>>  d200 dsd20 
d100 dsd10  >>>  d200 dsd20 
d100 dsd10  >>>  d200 dsd20 
d100 dsd10  >>>  d110 dsd12 
d010 dsd10  >>>  d020 dsd12 
d010 dsd01  >>>  d011 dsd02 
d001 dsd01  >>>  d002 dsd02 
d001 dsd01  >>>  d002 dsd02 
d001 dsd01  >>>  d011 dsd02 

d = Defining Element
dsd = SD Dozens

d001 dsd01  >>>  d002 dsd11 

Here start with DE = 3, SD Dozen = Different
Finish as DE3 repeat and SD DOZEN Same = 1, Different = 1 (no repeat)
So DE3 repeat but not SD Dozens, but next cycle always have a repeat no matter what. And no need to measure Order or Cycle Length. And there's 21 outcomes/sequences.
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

Herby

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jan 06, 07:01 AM 2017Need explore simple solution first. If no success then move to more complex

I thought you throw away other ideas just for not to get the things too complex.

To understand your last shown idea I'll do a programming.

falkor2k15

No, we only eliminate what doesn't work. We still keep complex ideas in case the simple ones fail - or that any advantage gained from complex methods warrant using them over the simpler ones - but the simple methods need to be explored first regardless.
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

falkor2k15

I read Manrique used to say that everything is designed to break even and lead to house edge, so regardless of bet selection he would concentrate on dispersion and parachuting.

And I'm wondering: why is one kind of repeat better than another kind of repeat? And why is one type of parachuting, i.e. changing payout odds at similar cost, better than another type of parachuting?
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

RayManZ

Could somebody explain these statistics for me?

In the VdW theory we have 16 different AP's.

That gives us this:
W â€" 256 times
L â€" 48 times
LW â€" 104 times
LL â€" 32 times
LLW â€" 36 times
LLL â€" 16 times
LLLW â€" 10 times
LLLL â€" 10 times

But how does someone calculates this?
How do you get these AP's:
123
234
345
456
567
678
789
135
246
147
357
258
468
159
369
579

To these stats:
W â€" 256 times
L â€" 48 times
LW â€" 104 times
LL â€" 32 times
LLW â€" 36 times
LLL â€" 16 times
LLLW â€" 10 times
LLLL â€" 10 times

Does anybody knows this?

falkor2k15

I must say I was thinking about that recently and considered revisiting VdW. When I counted each individual AP a few years back they all came in varying frequencies across different datasets - there was no pattern - but somehow we ended up with 50/50 every time.
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

RayManZ

No not looking for pattern ect. Stop that! That does not work...

I want to know how priyanka got these stats for all the AP's.

W â€" 256 times
L â€" 48 times
LW â€" 104 times
LL â€" 32 times
LLW â€" 36 times
LLL â€" 16 times
LLLW â€" 10 times
LLLL â€" 10 times

falkor2k15

I think I know the answer now... I can simulate it... if I find answer then I let you know by email or something?
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

RayManZ

Should there be a formula for something like this?

We know we have 16 options. 16x16=256 is that the first one?

W=256=16x16?

falkor2k15

I don't know? How can translating to formulas help? Is it to check simultaneous equations or inequalities?
W=256=16x16

Is that assuming all 16 APs are equally likely?
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

maestro

falkor cannot believe that you still banging your flat earth head about it...is so simple...if you see Priyanka sheet about cycles and your random stream is no zero numbers you will get something like that with only 3 states of system...0,"S","D"...you put them in colum like that


s
0
0
d
0
s
0

you will find out that 50% of the time repeat will happen on second spin...ex



0
s
    so here will be either "0" or "S"
Law of the sixth...<when you play roulette there will always be a moron tells you that you will lose to the house edge>

falkor2k15

maestro, I'll come back to you.

Quote from: RayManZ on Feb 12, 09:23 AM 2017
No not looking for pattern ect. Stop that! That does not work...

I want to know how priyanka got these stats for all the AP's.

W â€" 256 times
L â€" 48 times
LW â€" 104 times
LL â€" 32 times
LLW â€" 36 times
LLL â€" 16 times
LLLW â€" 10 times
LLLL â€" 10 times

13LW
24LW
84+9LL
3+8W
1W
1W
3+8L
14+910LLW
14+910LLW
13LW
24LW
19LL
1W
2W
1W
14+910LLW
2W
1W
13LW
1W
14+910LLW
24LW
14+910LLL
84+9LL
1W
1W
1W
1W
3+8W
24LW
8W
2W
3+810LW
13LW
14+9LW
13LW
24LW
1W
8W
3+810LW
14+9LW
19LW
3+8L
2W
1W
84+9LW
19LL
19LW
13LW
13LW
1W
3+8W
13LW
24LW
2W
8W
84+912LLW
84+9LL
24LW
2W
135LLW
2L
14+910LLL
2W
3+8W
24LW
84+9LL
19LW
2L
3+8W
19LL
3+810LL
2W
1W
1W
1W
13512LLLL
8W
24LW
2L
135LLW
3+8W
13LW
13LW
2L
14+9LW
2W
2W
1W
1W
2W
135LLW
3+8W
3+8W
1W
2W
2L
1W
14+9LW
135LLW
3+810LW
1W
2L
19LW
1W
14+910LLW
19LL
3+8L
14+910LLW
19LL
1W
1W
1W
8W
1W
8W
24106LLLL
8W
135LLW
1W
24LW
13LL
2W
1W
1W
1W
8W
2L
19LW
1W
13LW
1W
1W
14+910LLW
19LL
84+9LW
2W
19LW
2L
24LW
1W
2L
2410LLW
1W
8W
13LW
13LL
3+810LL
13LL
2W
3+8L
3+810LW
24106LLLW
1W
2W
1W
3+810LW
1W
2W
24LW
13512LLLL
2W
19LW
1W
2W
84+9LL
3+8L
1W
84+9LW
8W
13LL
13LW
8W
19LW
2W
1W
1W
2L
2W
3+810LL
1W
2W
3+8W
3+8W
2L
2W
24LW
14+9LW
13512LLLL
3+8L
8W
2L
1W
24106LLLL
2W
1W
3+8W
1W
19LW
14+910LLW
1W
8W
2410LLW
135LLW
13LL
2W
3+8W
13LW
84+9LW
2W
84+912LLL
2L
2W
2L
3+8L
1W
1W
14+9LW
2W
13LL
19LW
1W
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

falkor2k15

Quote from: maestro on Feb 12, 12:15 PM 2017
falkor cannot believe that you still banging your flat earth head about it...is so simple...if you see Priyanka sheet about cycles and your random stream is no zero numbers you will get something like that with only 3 states of system...0,"S","D"...you put them in colum like that


s
0
0
d
0
s
0

you will find out that 50% of the time repeat will happen on second spin...ex



0
s
    so here will be either "0" or "S"
maestro, are you referring to VdW, Cycles or both used together? If just Cycles then which constant?
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

maestro

none of it...just the way sheet was done i dont know if is better or not or brings edge or not..see picture
Law of the sixth...<when you play roulette there will always be a moron tells you that you will lose to the house edge>

falkor2k15

Nice!  :thumbsup: That's much tighter than my method... I bet it will result in edge!  O0

Are we meant to play your 3 state method by stitching bets or does "stitching bets" refer to a separate method for gaining edge that doesn't require the concept used in the 3 states?
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

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