£540

[nottophammer]

Dont worry about the £540 for the moment.
In Gut winkel shows its possible might get 12 wins from 24 spins, at 13th spin could have 11 numbers hit,next 24 spins could be 12 winners, average.

Now leave winkels idea.

Now the £540

If we get 10 numbers hit in 10 spins,be 27 numbers left to bet.
The next 30 spins averages 15.7264 something wins. This would be the £540 return from flat betting,less the stakes if 15 straight wins,very unlikely thou.
If the avg of 15 is fair and say it won 15 with out a repeat, we would have bet £301, so a profit of £239.
So math people
during the 30 spins we will get repeats,so with 239 possible like above,lets say we win the 1st five spins, we will have laid 125,return 180, so plus £55.00
Would 55 be enough to stop?  55 for 15 minuets work, okay lets say carry on, would we take 55 from 239 leaving 184 to be won from the next 25 spins.
How do we win the £184 from the 10 winners that are to come,remember we said the avg was fair, taking in the repeats,do we increase stakes, as flat bet the repeats would kill us, we would be betting £22, 6 repeats be £132 gone from the £184.
So how do we win that 184, or do we need to win the 184,any ideas

[nottophammer]

heres some numbers

[nottophammer]

Heres the numbers from real live spins

[nottophammer]

Okay lets assume 15.7264 is a fair avg.
So on the sheet you can see 8#'s hit out of 10 spins. Now the avg 15.7264 is from records of spins 11 to 40.
If in this game which is posted from years ago, so no cheating.
Avg is 15.7264 add that to the 8#'s already hit, so by 40th spin we hope to see 15 more #'s have hit,in this case 23 numbers would have been hit.
Now this iswhere £540 comes in, those 15 winning #'s would return 15*36 =540 flat bet less the stakes.

everybody okay with this

[nottophammer]

Now Roulette is fixed odds betting. so £1.00 unit on single returns £36.00.
Okay so at spin 4 #34 you would be winning 34 units 110 out return 144 = +34.
Now do you take the win, no greed says carry on, in this case the right move.

5 is a repeat lose 25.00 but still +9. Now if we had 15 straight wins, we'd have laid 301 returned 540,so 239 up. So we've laid 135 so far, now should we increase stakes, if we do are we not increasing the win total, here we need to raise to 3 units so if wins would our win total be 612 and if we keep totals could we not see when to increase the units.

But for simplicity we will flat bet another £25.00 and win. so we've now bet £160.00 retun £180.00 so +20.
next bet is 24.00 so flat bet.win  £184 out return 216 +32units.

drop to spin 10 #25 here we will have staked £250  returned £324  so plus £74.00, me i'd take winnings of between £50 to £70

Now back to beginning of sheet, so 8 /10 #'s gone if we say get 15 #'s hit in 30 spins, like Winkel shows possible to get 12/24 spins in Gut, at spin 40 we could see 23 #'s have hit,but as you can see 26#'s have hit so +3 to avg of 15 #'s in 30 spins, for the math people should round up to 16, but this game got 18 in 30 spins.

Now you would have stopped at spin 10 #25 +74. So the 15 wins,win our £540.00 that comes at spin 33 the #28, here you would have laid flat bet £475.00 return £540.00 so be + £65.00, less than the £74.00 at spin 10/20 #25.

Will it just be a case of watching the stakes total against win total,

[nottophammer]

Drazen said in grass roots Math does beat roulette with Gut.
Is the avg at  spin 37 in Gut not trust worthy, i think so, surely Winkel and Azim trust this average, so when i say avg in 30 spins is 15.7264 for KTF is my avg no good as i'm no math expert like the above.

So with the expected 15 wins again £540 less stakes. Can we just watch stakes against  win total of £540 and when necessary increase units

[NextYear]

Thanks for effort, Notto!

No time at the moment for understanding your story, but I can smell something is been cooking here...

[Crapshooter]

I am really going to have to try to sit down with these sheets and figure them out. I've never really been one for numbers, but I seriously want to learn how this all works.

[nottophammer]

Dont worry about the £540 for the moment.
In Gut winkel shows its possible might get 12 wins from 24 spins, at 13th spin could have 11 numbers hit,next 24 spins could be 12 winners, average.

Now leave winkels idea.

Now the £540

If we get 10 numbers hit in 10 spins,be 27 numbers left to bet.
The next 30 spins averages 15.7264 something wins. This would be the £540 return from flat betting,less the stakes if 15 straight wins,very unlikely thou.
If the avg of 15 is fair and say it won 15 with out a repeat, we would have bet £301, so a profit of £239.
So math people
during the 30 spins we will get repeats,so with 239 possible like above,lets say we win the 1st five spins, we will have laid 125,return 180, so plus £55.00
Would 55 be enough to stop?  55 for 15 minuets work, okay lets say carry on, would we take 55 from 239 leaving 184 to be won from the next 25 spins.
How do we win the £184 from the 10 winners that are to come,remember we said the avg was fair, taking in the repeats,do we increase stakes, as flat bet the repeats would kill us, we would be betting £22, 6 repeats be £132 gone from the £184.
So how do we win that 184, or do we need to win the 184,any ideas

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[nottophammer]

So can the 15 non-hit in 30 spins be exploited
Heres how the non-hit have performed from the Average document

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15.87755102   in 30 spins
   
12   0
13   5
14   13
15   20
16   29
17   18
18   8
19   5
20   0

[nottophammer]

So can the 15 non-hit in 30 spins be exploited
Heres how the non-hit have performed from the Average document

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15.87755102   in 30 spins
   
12   0
13   5
14   13
15   20
16   29
17   18
18   8
19   5
20   0

Math boys quick to try and pull something apart, but when it comes to putting something up to help, All i see and hear is the tumble weed

[nottophammer]

131 games on jackpot247

now betting for the 13th non-hit. Bet for 3 spins 1,2,3

     spin1     89*25=2225        89*36=3204
     spin2     25*50=1250        25*72=1800
     spin3     13*75=0975      13*108=1404
lost spin     4*150=  600

totals                      5050                    6408

[nottophammer]

Tumble weeds blowing in already

[denzie]

500 sessions :

Bet ONCE after the 12th unique. Flat
378 wins
122 losses

[nottophammer]

spin1     89*25=2225        89*36=3204
     spin2     25*50=1250        25*72=1800
     spin3     13*75=0975      13*108=1404
lost spin     4*150=  600

totals                      5050                    6408       +1385

this is 125 games from reply 1121   
          spin1  87*25=2175       87*36=3132
          spin2  22*50=1100       22*72=1584
          spin3  12*75=  900     12*108=1296
lost spins        4*150=600
                                 
                                 4775                   6012      +1237   the above for latest jack247.com,131 games is +148 for 6 more games
There you go nothing complicated, just simple non-hits.
No wheel bareings, balancing or you name it, just a simple way even my old gran can do it