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ego's march

Started by ego, Jan 07, 07:44 AM 2016

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mogul397

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 14, 07:32 PM 2016
I meant to say

**ego is Sputnik

Thanks RG. I seem to be locked in with this method. I am trying to figure
out exactly what it is. I am making progress. The thread in betselection seems
to have more detail.

I notice that back then you chirped in here and there.

Do you have any light to shed?
Not sure if I'm barking up the right tree in my understanding, but
I am intrigued.

Thanks
NOBODY knows what you THINK they know

ego


mogul397

If you start ask specific questions about the method i will answear.
Think that is better then i explain it all over again.

Cheers
Denial of gamblers fallacy is usually seen in people who has Roulette as last option for a way to wealth, debt covering and a independent lifestyle.  Next step is pretty ugly-
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.

tuddilue

Quote from: ego on Dec 15, 02:23 AM 2016
mogul397

If you start ask specific questions about the method i will answear.
Think that is better then i explain it all over again.

Cheers

That sounds good.
Can you in that case answer BellagioOwner questions below?

Quote from: BellagioOwner on Nov 03, 08:51 AM 2016
He actually translates EC bets into dozen bets. 1 and 2 are the 2 possible outcomes of the EC bet. It could be R/B or H/L or O/E. In the video he chooses R/B as most of us.

Single outcome of the EC translates into dozen 1.(eg R or B)
Serie of 2 of the same EC translates into dozen 2 (eg RR or BB)
Serie of 3 or more of the same EC translates into dozen 3 ( eg RRR or BBB or RRRRRRR or BBBB)

Then as he states in reply#9 on this thread he uses one of these 2 marches. Mainly the 2nd one I think.


2 things I haven't fully understand are:
1)  how the progression is used and why is it separated every 2 steps? 11-12-23-34 etc Do we move a step after a loss? Do we return to step 1 after a win?

2) Why series of 3 AND MORE still counts as dozen 3? This will give more chance to bets being translated into dozen 3 than the other 2 dozens. Shouldn't it be only series of 3 to be translated into dozen 3? And if a serie of 3 continues to grow we start tracking again.

So if RRRRRBB happens shouldn't better be "translated" as RRR,RR,BB so dozen3,dozen2,dozen2? Ego's way would have translated it into  RRRRR,BB so dozen3,dozen2  :question:
Thanks in advance.
- Tuddilue

RouletteGhost

Was intrigued. But I don't understand how the bets are placed

the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

link:[url="s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o"]s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o[/url]

mogul397

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 15, 07:51 AM 2016
Was intrigued. But I don't understand how the bets are placed

Thanks.

I thought that it had something and people couldn't understand it.
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mogul397

I will ask questions. First a couple of housekeeping things.

1)  Please do not do overboard with abbreviations. There is a language thing,
and it makes it harder.

2) Are we talking about even props? Red/black? Or the dozens?
Let's pick one for sake of clarity.

3) When you say "doz 1 doz 2, it took most of the thread for people to figure out
that you're talking about  "single", "double", "triple or more".

So let me tell you what I see and understand from what I've read. And you (ego) tell me
if I am right.  A lot of my understanding has come from "Sputnick" in the betselection forom.
link:://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/sputniks-march/15/

What I hear you saying (about dozens) is that while watching dozens you will see different
patterns.  The patterns, like 1,2,3, would be "single, double, triple or more".

From there, there is some format that you bet, flat usually, in relation to expecting that
"unique" patterns of groupings of results will not show up.  Like 1,2,3.....3,1,2....3,1,2..... etc.

Is that correct?  Can you expand on what I have said?


Thanks
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mogul397

We are just talking about bet selection now. But I am intrigued with the
"win or break even" aspect that you discuss...
NOBODY knows what you THINK they know

RouletteGhost

I don't usually beg to understand things

I will ask once

Then I will leave it

I don't beg
the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

link:[url="s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o"]s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o[/url]

ego

 I will give you examples and you should remember that every existing dozen system works with EC based upon my methodology.
This is the dozen combinations.

333 a
331 b
332 c

311 a
312 b
313 c

322 a
321 b
323 c

- - -

222 a
221 b
223 c

211 a
212 b
213 c 

233 a
232 b
231 c

- - -

111 a
112 b
113 c   

122 a
121 b
123 c   

133 a
131 b
132 c

All combination that start with dozen 3 have 9 combinations.
All combination that start with dozen 2 have 9 combinations.
All combination that start with dozen 1 have 9 combinations.

same for EC

All patterns that start with series of three or higher  have 9 combinations. (same as dozen 3)
All patterns that start with series of two have 9 combinations. (same as dozen 2)
All patterns that start with single have 9 combinations. (same as dozen 1)

1) Lets assume you would only play dozen 3 or EC position with series of three and higher.
2) Then comes the question how and when to bet.

First i have to describe the dozen method and then explain how its convert into EC betting.

a) You see dozen 3 hit, then you bet that dozen 3 will hit again.
b) If you lose then you have two dozen hits infront of you, can be dozen 3 and 1 or dozen 3 and 2. Lets say dozen 3 and 2 and you now bet both of them to repeat once.
c) If you lose then you have Three dozen hits 321 and they alternate with no repeat.

That is one way to catch domination.

Now EC betting on the same principal.

a) You see a serie of Three or higher and bet that you will hit a series of Three or higher as repeat. (here we have a loop hole where a serie of two also results as a win)
b) If you lose then you have two dozen hits infront of you and it can only be a series of three and a single. Next you bet single to repeat and if a lose you bet for a series of three to repeat.
c) If you lose then you have a series of three and a single and a series of two. 312 alternating.

Dozen bet:

1
2 Bet
3 Bet Bet

A 3 unit loss.

EC bet:

R
R
R

B
   Bet
R
R Bet
   Bet
B

A 3 unit loss.

There exist as many playing models for dozen as it does for EC based upon same principals.
When you start to understand the basics we can go into advance discussion.
Denial of gamblers fallacy is usually seen in people who has Roulette as last option for a way to wealth, debt covering and a independent lifestyle.  Next step is pretty ugly-
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.

mogul397

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 15, 11:23 AM 2016
I don't usually beg to understand things

I will ask once

Then I will leave it

I don't beg

I don't think it's a matter of begging.  It's seeing potential value.
NOBODY knows what you THINK they know

mogul397

Slight clarification question.


When you say there are combinations in the beginning, like 3,3,3,  3,3,1
Those are the actual dozens right?   1-12,  13-24,  25-36. 
Right?

Later, when you say

Dozen bet:

1
2 Bet
3 Bet Bet


You are talking about the number of consecutive dozens.  IS that right?
Like 1 (in a row)
2 (in a row)
3 (in a row)

Correct?
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onetaste

Think you guys are trying to over think it. Its basically the same easy principles of grassroots.Basically betting against a particular sequence from occuring particularly a no dozen repeat in 3 spins. 1,2,3.. 2,1,3...3,2,1,etc...After a dozen hits,you bet that dozen will repeat as first bet.If lose,bet the same dozen along with the one that just arrived.If lose,you've lost 3 units.Wait for a VW then march again.At least thats what ive taken from it.

mogul397

Quote from: onetaste on Dec 15, 02:02 PM 2016
Think you guys are trying to over think it. Its basically the same easy principles of grassroots.Basically betting against a particular sequence from occuring particularly a no dozen repeat in 3 spins. 1,2,3.. 2,1,3...3,2,1,etc...After a dozen hits,you bet that dozen will repeat as first bet.If lose,bet the same dozen along with the one that just arrived.If lose,you've lost 3 units.Wait for a VW then march again.At least thats what ive taken from it.

It would be nice if it were that simple. It would also be nice if subsequent
explanations matched earlier ones.

Here is an excerpt from the thread link:://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/sputniks-march/15/   reply 20 by "beat the wheel".  Sputnick seemed to like this
explanation overall.

eg
pbpb/ppp/b

pbpb/single
ppp/ series3.
b-new hit, bet will not series2.
b-oops! become series2, bet will series 3.
p-damn! lose


It is for EC.  So here he is betting the first bet for a chop. One event.
If he loses and gets 2 in a row, he bets for a third. Just for example.

The examples of playing dozens doesn't make sense.
Same thread, reply 2. In 2 sputnick gives an example of
dozens, I believe. but I could be wrong.

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If you can come up with other ways to follow the domination, then feel free to create your own triggers.

1) Playing after three alternating
2) Playing on a rolling basis
3) Playing after one combination fall into sleep

Here is one example playing on rolling basis:

2
1
1 L
2
2 L
2 L
1
1 W
2

Etc.

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Still not sure. But you can't do much of a progression when you are
betting against a previous dozen and losing 2 units.

It is nice to keep synergy with evens and play a D'alenbert, but not
helpful with dozens unless you are betting one dozen.

If it were your way (Always betting for a dozen to repeat) you could
be waiting a long time. Need to settle on one selection method
NOBODY knows what you THINK they know

mogul397

NOBODY knows what you THINK they know

mogul397

Sputnik answer,
link:://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/sputniks-march/75/

Reply 84.

For dozens, play the last and next to last dozen.  Last 2 dozen.
That simple.


For evens it is a little more complicated. He attaches A single, double,
and 3 or > to the numbers "1,2,3". He lists those groupings of repeats,
and then plays for either of the last two groupings to occur.


NOBODY knows what you THINK they know

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