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Started by Gheorghe Patrascu, Sep 20, 01:03 PM 2016

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Gheorghe Patrascu

Quote from: mogul397 on Sep 21, 05:32 PM 2016
The progression is a fibbonacci. It is a good progression.

Something that I have thought about is a reverse fib progression.
Normally when you play the fib, you play 1 level up on each loss and
a win on any level and the the next lower level get you back to even.

So as a variation to this, play the fib backwards as if you are trying to
give the money back. Increase 1 level on a win. And keep going up. If you
lose you drop back a level. If you lose that level, you lose 1 unit and resolve
the sequence.

It is not hard to climb the fib ladder with losses. So why not turn it around and
then decide where to quit and take profit. And start over.

A variation.  I guess the benefit is that your are not required to have a
solid win or loss string.

I dont understand,can you explain again?
My ideea revolves arround that fact that you only increase the bet as you win,so the risk of loss is minimal,and you only risk the first bet.This morning I divided my bankroll into 10 units,played a session of 160spins with those 10units,and when i finished i was 23units up,I had to stop cause it took about 2 hours,and i had something esle to attend to..

mogul397

Quote from: Gheorghe Patrascu on Sep 23, 06:51 AM 2016
I dont understand,can you explain again?
My ideea revolves arround that fact that you only increase the bet as you win,so the risk of loss is minimal,and you only risk the first bet.This morning I divided my bankroll into 10 units,played a session of 160spins with those 10units,and when i finished i was 23units up,I had to stop cause it took about 2 hours,and i had something esle to attend to..

You know what playing a Fibonacci  is right?  Your 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21 progression.
Up one level on a loss. If you win that level, you go down one level, and if you win
that level you resolve the series.  Any two wins in a row resolve the series, and each
group of two numbers added together equal the next higher one.

2+3=5.
3+8=8
5+8=13
Assuming you know this now, and that you don't think that you reinvented the
wheel with that progression, you are using it, up as you win.  And I guess resetting
on a loss.

So if you won 1+1+2+3+5 you are up 12. Then if you lose the next bet, 8, you still
won 4 units. The problem with this is that you will have a lot of single losses to recover
from that probably eat up the 4 units. And that is a 5 win streak. Pretty long.

All I was saying was to morph what you said into the original methodology. So for this
example, you are up 12, and you lose the 8. You go down 1 level to the 5. You are performing
the same operation with the same progression, but doing it up as you win, and going
down 1 on a loss.

In this example you resolve the sequence with -1 unit.  If you were doing it normally
and lost, you would go up one level, back to 8 units. But you are doing it in reverse,
accepting 1 unit losses instead of playing for 1 unit wins and grinding the progression on
losses.

The benefit of the fib progression is that you don't need an EXACT sequence of wins to achieve
your goal. You can bounce back and forth in negative territory similar to how you would in
a D'alenbert. The difference is that any two wins (in a normal negative fib game) resolve
and you get out with +1 unit.

The truth is that I've played fibs on paper many times before. And it doesn't take long
to get into trouble with that either.  And it's nerve racking as you get to 13,21,34 bets.
But it feels awful nice when it's their money.

I did do it once at a craps table. The stick man kept puchin my stack to me and I pushed
it back. He looked concerned.  The crown was ROARING like you read about.  I also was
playing an 8 hardway for $1 an when I hit, I parlayed that to hit my $15 for another
15-1 or whatever.

If you want fun, that's the way to do it.......
NOBODY knows what you THINK they know

Gheorghe Patrascu

Quote from: mogul397 on Sep 23, 09:36 PM 2016
You know what playing a Fibonacci  is right?  Your 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21 progression.
Up one level on a loss. If you win that level, you go down one level, and if you win
that level you resolve the series.  Any two wins in a row resolve the series, and each
group of two numbers added together equal the next higher one.

2+3=5.
3+8=8
5+8=13
Assuming you know this now, and that you don't think that you reinvented the
wheel with that progression, you are using it, up as you win.  And I guess resetting
on a loss.

So if you won 1+1+2+3+5 you are up 12. Then if you lose the next bet, 8, you still
won 4 units. The problem with this is that you will have a lot of single losses to recover
from that probably eat up the 4 units. And that is a 5 win streak. Pretty long.

All I was saying was to morph what you said into the original methodology. So for this
example, you are up 12, and you lose the 8. You go down 1 level to the 5. You are performing
the same operation with the same progression, but doing it up as you win, and going
down 1 on a loss.

In this example you resolve the sequence with -1 unit.  If you were doing it normally
and lost, you would go up one level, back to 8 units. But you are doing it in reverse,
accepting 1 unit losses instead of playing for 1 unit wins and grinding the progression on
losses.

The benefit of the fib progression is that you don't need an EXACT sequence of wins to achieve
your goal. You can bounce back and forth in negative territory similar to how you would in
a D'alenbert. The difference is that any two wins (in a normal negative fib game) resolve
and you get out with +1 unit.

The truth is that I've played fibs on paper many times before. And it doesn't take long
to get into trouble with that either.  And it's nerve racking as you get to 13,21,34 bets.
But it feels awful nice when it's their money.

I did do it once at a craps table. The stick man kept puchin my stack to me and I pushed
it back. He looked concerned.  The crown was ROARING like you read about.  I also was
playing an 8 hardway for $1 an when I hit, I parlayed that to hit my $15 for another
15-1 or whatever.

If you want fun, that's the way to do it.......

I know what you are talking about,but,i find it wastefull to risk more units for one unit.The way the fibonacci it's been played before it's similar to martingale's negative prgresion...whereas my ideea revolves arround the goal of minimising your investment(cause you only play one unit at the time until the lucky string occurs),preety much like parasites behave in nature untill they find the right conditions to develop.
I'll give this example...lets says you want to play for 100 spins and you only bet on black...the only instance where you lose,is when you run into a string of two or more reds,0(but it has to be 2 or more consecutive lost bets).Apart from that it does not matter wether there are 60 red and 40 black in 100spins,or 40 reds and 60black or 50 reds ,50 blacks,just how the resulting strings are arranged on the results list.
One thing that i've noticed about this way of betting is that because you increase your bet after every win,your 2nd win has a negative value of -2(2-0-2) compared to a string of 2 reds(-2) if the 3rd bet is lost.Your 3rd win,when converted into the 4th bet,also has a negative value of -2(4-3-3) as well compared to a string of 3 red consecutive numbers.Your 4th win also has a negative value of -2(7-5-4) compared to 4cons reds(-4).Your fifth win also has a negative value of -1(12-8-5).Your 6th win has an edge of +1(20-13-6) over 6 cons reds,your 7th win has an edge of +5(33-21-7),your 8th win and edge of +12(54-34-8) and it keeps increasing winth every win.The nice thing about this strategy is that you get to play lots of spins with limited ammounts of units and when a string of 7 or more hits,the profits can be astronomical.For example if you have 10units to play with and you stick to one color,you are going to play a lot more spins than 10 for your money and it takes a string of 6 wins(1+1+2+3+5+8) to double your money.

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