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Started by Steve, Oct 04, 08:31 AM 2016

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Steve

I've read the points about ken and browsed through 50 or so of his last posts. About 80% of it is conflict (arguments etc). But then if I look through RG's last 50 or so posts, I see much of the same although it's about 40% conflict.

There are people who dont like ken, and at the same time ken invites the negativity whether or not he realizes it. He tends to focus on the negativity towards him, so he behaves negatively towards others, and they respond with negativity. What you think and feel becomes reality.

Where does the loop start? Who knows, it doesnt really matter. Because all of us, at some point, have been criticized in some way. But most of us have enough sense to get out of the loop. Unfortunately, ken keeps himself in this neverending loop. RG its easy to point the finger at ken, but looking back at your posts, you also keep the loop going yourself. Just to a lesser degree than ken. So you arent perfect either.

Understand I'm not criticizing anyone here. I'm just explaining some observations. And a request, that ken, dont be so quick to jump on people or criticize them. Yes most of us can spot someone with an agenda, or someone using a fake name (duplicate account). Thats not what I'm talking about though. A recent example of what I mean is where you said mortagon didnt understand what he preaches. Maybe he does, maybe he doesnt. I'm not saying you cant say what you think. I'm saying DON'T BE SO ABRASIVE. Because how you come across to people will aggravate them and start crap, and I want this to be a friendly and productive environment. Looking back at your recent posts, so many of them have insulting undertones and snide remarks that anyone would find insulting. RG again dont point the finger because you do it too, although to a lesser degree.

Some of the loops are caleb explains basic facts about roulette and RG acts as if he's trolling, and says something to aggravate caleb, who then becomes even more annoying with facts and information, then RG gets even more annoyed. Who's right, who's wrong? Well RG if you say something that's incorrect, this is a forum and you can expect to be corrected. Sure you can play roulette just for fun, but it doesnt mean you wont be corrected if you say something that's incorrect. But caleb needs to not bust balls about it - especially not for when he does it for amusement.

Seriously guys its not that hard to co-exist. I dont want to waste time trying to sort this shit out. I dont want to need to put anyone on moderation because that itself may feel like a slap in the face, but really it's one of the last options when specific members dont get along. It seems the main people in it are RG, caleb and ken.

If I have to put members on moderation, dont take it personally. It does not mean I think you started the problem. It's like finding two kids fighting. You dont know who started it, but you will pull them apart to stop the shit. Then when they start behaving, they can be let go again.

I'll unlock this topic for a little while to make comments. But really I have heard just about everything now and feel I understand the situation fairly well.

If i just banned caleb, then players wouldnt benefit from important information that every player should know. I'm not saying caleb is gods gift to roulette and we should all just listen. I dont agree with him on some things. But at the very least he posts facts that everyone should know. Yes he's an arsehole sometimes with how he explains basic facts. But sometimes people need a kick in the ass to wake up, instead of a gentle "hey excuse me, that system probably wont work".

If I just banned ken, then players wouldnt benefit from his experience over many years. Although I do agree with a recent comment that he doesnt contribute much lately, for whatever reason. I know at one point he said he didnt want to contribute anymore, although he still does every now and then. You dont need to contribute to be here - you could be here just because you enjoy talking about roulette, or chatting with likeminded people. But at the same time there isnt much point to posting if the majority of time is spent arguing. Ken understand I do value you here, which is why I'm trying to help here.

I also suggest for your own benefit, and other people's benefit, dont just go to other forums like GF to say whatever you want and argue with people. Why? Because then you are perpetuating the same shit, and wasting your own valuable time. You dont need to live in the same house with anyone here. It's text on a screen. Yes you are grown men and can decide what you do or dont want to do. But is it healthy to decide to argue and go to war over what's really just shit?

If I just banned rg, it would be banning someone who actively tries to contribute, even though his posts are directed at the recreational player, as many players are.

Anyway now more time wasted. I hope thats the last time for everyones sake. If the shit continues my best option is to use moderation. Dont get me wrong, I dont care if there's the occasional harmless banter here. But what i cant tolerate is the constant bullshit every day that makes this an unpleasant place even for me. Yes members can stay only on productive threads, but none of us want the forum polluted with bullshit arguments.
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MrJ

"No votes" means what?

Ken
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Steve

After a complaint you were giving caleb tonnes of outstanding ratings for seemingly insignificant and random posts, i checked and found the claim accurate. So i restricted tour account from rating.  It not to say you haven't given justified ratings too.  Just that there was clearly a lot of unjustified ratings. And that's not fair to other members who give appropriate ratings. I'm talking about outstanding ratings for things like 1 line posts or insulting images which just aren't justified.

Consider it from my view. The same rules apply to everyone. I do like u ken but i can't be biased.

Maybe others have done the same but I'll only look into it after a complaint.
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winkel

QuoteIf i just banned caleb, then players wouldnt benefit from important information that every player should know. I'm not saying caleb is gods gift to roulette and we should all just listen. I dont agree with him on some things. But at the very least he posts facts that everyone should know. Yes he's an arsehole sometimes with how he explains basic facts. But sometimes people need a kick in the ass to wake up, instead of a gentle "hey excuse me, that system probably wont work".

What ever his name is, ...
He is attacking GUT from the first post I made and he is attacking me since then. This is more than 8 years.
Every new forum opened he was the first to attack GUT and me.

sometimes people need a kick in the ass to wake up, instead of a gentle "hey excuse me, that system probably wont work".

Steve, so you think I need kicks in the ass for that long time?
There is always a game

Steve

I know nothing about your system.

If you tell me more about it i will tell you what i know about it, and why. My only interest is the truth.
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nottophammer

Steve do members personally know each other, i've never met another member, so i dont like or dislike Mr J, it does not matter if its a productive post he'll give me the finger, but i enjoy the stupid finger game with him, just look to the rates and then give him the finger.

Are you letting us believe you know nothing on GUT
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

winkel

Quote from: Steve on Oct 06, 06:27 AM 2016
I know nothing about your system.

If you tell me more about it i will tell you what i know about it, and why. My only interest is the truth.

You are good with words. Not replying but leading the conversation in a new direction:

You don´t need to know anything about my strategy. The simple question is: Is there a need for anybody to attack a strategy and a person who offered it for more than 8 years? And that not only there, where it is published but also "around the world"?

What is the idea behind it? Even very bad people aren´t stalked that way!
There is always a game

RouletteGhost

Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 06:57 AM 2016
You are good with words. Not replying but leading the conversation in a new direction:

You don´t need to know anything about my strategy. The simple question is: Is there a need for anybody to attack a strategy and a person who offered it for more than 8 years? And that not only there, where it is published but also "around the world"?

What is the idea behind it? Even very bad people aren´t stalked that way!

He does go on other forums and create gut threads

Its obvious trolling

But thats what we deal with

He has a vendetta against winkel. Very childish
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Steve

Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 06, 06:30 AM 2016Steve do members personally know each other, i've never met another member, so i dont like or dislike Mr J, it does not matter if its a productive post he'll give me the finger, but i enjoy the stupid finger game with him, just look to the rates and then give him the finger.

I have no idea except to say I only know of a few members that know each other in person.

Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 06, 06:30 AM 2016Are you letting us believe you know nothing on GUT

Correct I know nothing about it. I have an open mind and know I will never know everything. But I do have a lot of experience. So when I see something like RRBRBR I know the system is likely no different. Why? Because I have software that checks for any combination of RB imaginable and there is no known correlation. No sequence of numbers, dozens, streets etc etc that occur more than another. So if the odds dont change, and the payout doesnt change, then what changes? Nothing. But again I know nothing about GUT. Maybe its different, I dont know.

The one exception with patterns is when there are real physical variables and solid information that correlate to spin outcomes and sequences. A simple example is how a specific combination of rotor and wheel base / bowl can make specific numbers more likely to spin and/or repeat (aka bias). But there is far more going on than bias from wheel defects. Everything, everything is cause and effect.

In my mind, the "holy grail" of roulette AP is modelling cause and effect. Modelling the physics, and the relationship between variables and spin outcomes. But to make it practical, you need to cross reference the data. You can either have thousands of spins to check for data anomalies, or use all the data and interconnect it. That way you can use far less data and still have reliable analysis. Thats what my approaches are. Its really common sense stuff, but I had to go through all the stages of gamblers fallacy and ignorance first.

In the end I came to understand one simple fact: the only way to beat roulette is by increasing the accuracy of predictions (changing the odds). Most systems dont even remotely do this.

Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 06:57 AM 2016The simple question is: Is there a need for anybody to attack a strategy and a person who offered it for more than 8 years? And that not only there, where it is published but also "around the world"?

If he truly believed you were misleading people, he may aim to steer people towards the truth. Does he actually have a point with what he says, or is he just being an asshole? I dont know because I dont know about GUT.

QuoteWhat is the idea behind it? Even very bad people aren´t stalked that way!

It shouldnt be so bad. Spend a day in my shoes and have clowns dedicate their lives trying to damage you because of their problems. What you have are critics, not stalkers. Anyone in the spotlight will have critics. How you deal with them is let the truth speak, and anyone too stupid to figure it out is not someone you want to deal with anyway. If GUT is on the right track, then be patient. All truth comes out eventually. And if you are wrong, then just accept the mistake and learn from it.


Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 06, 07:01 AM 2016He does go on other forums and create gut threads. Its obvious trolling. But thats what we deal with. He has a vendetta against winkel. Very childish

Either he's trolling, wants to teach people the truth so they benefit, or a bit of both. I think it's a bit of both. I think he gets off on hanging truth over people's heads. He may be nice and helpful, or an asshole. It depends on his mood for the day. I dont agree with how he goes about it most of the time. But also most of the time, I agree with his assessment and explanations of systems. Actually mathematical fact is not "opinion". Just people either understand it or not. Again I'm not talking about GUT or any system specifically.
"The only way to beat roulette is by increasing the accuracy of predictions"
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Roulette-computers.com ← Hidden electronics that predicts the winning number
Roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy ← Why most systems lose

RouletteGhost

Quote from: Steve on Oct 06, 07:37 AM 2016
I have no idea except to say I only know of a few members that know each other in person.

Correct I know nothing about it. I have an open mind and know I will never know everything. But I do have a lot of experience. So when I see something like RRBRBR I know the system is likely no different. Why? Because I have software that checks for any combination of RB imaginable and there is no known correlation. No sequence of numbers, dozens, streets etc etc that occur more than another. So if the odds dont change, and the payout doesnt change, then what changes? Nothing. But again I know nothing about GUT. Maybe its different, I dont know.

The one exception with patterns is when there are real physical variables and solid information that correlate to spin outcomes and sequences. A simple example is how a specific combination of rotor and wheel base / bowl can make specific numbers more likely to spin and/or repeat (aka bias). But there is far more going on than bias from wheel defects. Everything, everything is cause and effect.

In my mind, the "holy grail" of roulette AP is modelling cause and effect. Modelling the physics, and the relationship between variables and spin outcomes. But to make it practical, you need to cross reference the data. You can either have thousands of spins to check for data anomalies, or use all the data and interconnect it. That way you can use far less data and still have reliable analysis. Thats what my approaches are. Its really common sense stuff, but I had to go through all the stages of gamblers fallacy and ignorance first.

In the end I came to understand one simple fact: the only way to beat roulette is by increasing the accuracy of predictions (changing the odds). Most systems dont even remotely do this.

If he truly believed you were misleading people, he may aim to steer people towards the truth. Does he actually have a point with what he says, or is he just being an asshole? I dont know because I dont know about GUT.

It shouldnt be so bad. Spend a day in my shoes and have clowns dedicate their lives trying to damage you because of their problems. What you have are critics, not stalkers. Anyone in the spotlight will have critics. How you deal with them is let the truth speak, and anyone too stupid to figure it out is not someone you want to deal with anyway. If GUT is on the right track, then be patient. All truth comes out eventually. And if you are wrong, then just accept the mistake and learn from it.


Either he's trolling, wants to teach people the truth so they benefit, or a bit of both. I think it's a bit of both. I think he gets off on hanging truth over people's heads. He may be nice and helpful, or an asshole. It depends on his mood for the day. I dont agree with how he goes about it most of the time. But also most of the time, I agree with his assessment and explanations of systems. Actually mathematical fact is not "opinion". Just people either understand it or not. Again I'm not talking about GUT or any system specifically.

He goes onto forums that haven't even mentioned GUT and starts a thread "GUT doesn't work"

Lol its so blatant
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winkel

OK Steve,

I understood. you are also on the "Dark Side" and you love to run a rouletteforum where it is not aloud to talk about any way trying to beat the game.
You love to have "truthtellers" that will ruin your forum.

So be happy with them. I for sure will quit posting any idea.

I was never ever misleading people or leading people anywhere, they don´t want to go. I trust in people having their own mind and the possibility to make their own decisions.
And I don´t think people who believe they are in possession of the whole truth and have the right and the order to attack everyone else are better than a terrorist.
There is always a game

Steve

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 06, 08:00 AM 2016He goes onto forums that haven't even mentioned GUT and starts a thread "GUT doesn't work"

If that's the case then he's wasting his own time. But like I said, anyone attacked simply needs to state the truth, and let people use their own brains to figure it out. You dont want to deal with the ones too stupid to figure it out anyway. Trust me, I'm a professional.
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Roulette-computers.com ← Hidden electronics that predicts the winning number
Roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy ← Why most systems lose

Steve

Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 08:09 AM 2016you are also on the "Dark Side" and you love to run a rouletteforum where it is not aloud to talk about any way trying to beat the game.

No, I am on the side of reason. That is I have an open mind to possibility. I understand what is realistic, probable, and improbable. You know I believe in aliens, ESP and related phenomena. From experience and logic. Not from being nuts.

Rubbish people are not allowed to talk about any way to beat roulette. Anyone here who knows me well enough know I often encourage free and open discussion about anything BUT advise people to try ***NEW APPROACHES*** instead of the same old stuff we know doesn't work.

Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 08:09 AM 2016I was never ever misleading people or leading people anywhere, they don´t want to go. I trust in people having their own mind and the possibility to make their own decisions.
And I don´t think people who believe they are in possession of the whole truth and have the right and the order to attack everyone else are better than a terrorist.

Yes you get attacked, but it is nothing you should care about. You cant compare some forum posts to acts of terrorism. If what he does bothers you, if you were me you would have killed yourself by now. Again if GUT is legit, and if you want to defend yourself, just prepare a template response and paste it wherever someone attacks you. Then let people decide for themselves. But then again that's what I did initially, so thats why people created a bunch of new lies I didnt have time or will to address. But then again, I dont think caleb is anywhere near as obsessed as my "friends".
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Roulette-computers.com ← Hidden electronics that predicts the winning number
Roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy ← Why most systems lose

winkel

Quote from: Steve on Oct 06, 08:20 AM 2016
1.... Anyone here who knows me well enough know I often encourage free and open discussion about anything BUT advise people to try ***NEW APPROACHES*** instead of the same old stuff we know doesn't work.

2... You cant compare some forum posts to acts of terrorism......
3......, so thats why people created a bunch of new lies...

1. That´s a contradiction. As long as you think that it is correct to enter every thread and push it down, you will never ever find someone who will try ***NEW APPROACHES***  in this forum!
2. Ofcourse I can. Because they are.
3. That´s what the one and the other do. Everyday everywhere everytime. Be proud and happy having them
There is always a game

Steve

Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 08:39 AM 2016That´s a contradiction. As long as you think that it is correct to enter every thread and push it down, you will never ever find someone who will try ***NEW APPROACHES***  in this forum!

Where did I say it was ok to enter every thread to constantly pester and discredit a system? I didnt.

I have said many times Caleb busts balls too much. In some cases it is trolling. But at the same time, his posts are accurate and beneficial to people who are interested in winning - however inconvenient it may be to some people. As it is here, this is a forum. I am not going to censor or ban logic and thought. But I will not allow members to pester people who perhaps play purely recreational and dont care if they dont understand the game. Pestering is trolling.

Do you see me discouraging new ideas, or attacking them? The only ideas I critize are like RBRB because they as old as history and dont work. I dont critize witout clear fatcs to back it up.

Here as admin I protect the balance, witout bias. Even creating a no AP zone which I know perpetuates ignorance. But some players just dont want to be told why theyre wrong. Thats ok. I dont agree with it, but hey its their choice and i respect their righttodo as they please. But i also added the warning at the top of the forum.

Winkel I know you are upset caleb criticizes you and/or your system. But please be accurate when you make statements about what I do and dont allow.

Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 08:39 AM 2016Ofcourse I can. Because they are.

So by your logic, caleb is a terrorist, no different to people who kill innocent people. Ok.

Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 08:39 AM 2016That´s what the one and the other do. Everyday everywhere everytime. Be proud and happy having them

I dont know exactly what they say. But most of what I see about you is actually about your systems, not you personally. But you seem to take it personally.

I have to say it as it is. You are over-reacting. Calling him a terrorist? Come on. Just accept everyone is subject to criticism at some point. Just let the truth speak for itself. Why get all emotional about it calling people terrorists?
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Roulette-computers.com ← Hidden electronics that predicts the winning number
Roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy ← Why most systems lose

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