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Started by mogul397, Jan 17, 06:14 PM 2017

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mogul397

Reposting my thoughts from the 3 musketeers as a topic.  This area is ground zero, IMO.
It's not about the selection. It's about managing a good selection with the MM.

You can wait and watch the pendulum swing (as I did) and win 6 bets in a row, with
no losses. And have a positive result. Or you can salt and pepper a little bit of
a progression to mathematically help out.

But THIS is the area that needs study.


link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18431.msg171113;topicseen#msg171113


I keep trying to bring this up in threads, but no one seems interested.

You're thought process about "intuitive" bet selection is interesting and valid IMO.

What I have been ranting on lately is bet selection this way.
Look at the last two. If they are the same, play the same. If they change,
then play for the chop to continue. This captures streaks of both series and
chops. I have been studying this for a while.

There is NOTHING magic about it. Except it "keeps you on the road" while capitalizing
on streaks.

I have a paper here. I went today. Made $30 ($5 bets).
The results from each EC (including one zero) are as follows.

R/B  24 wins 18 loss
O/E  21 W  22 L
H/L  21W   21 L

Basically even. Now to blow the forum off the map, wouldn't it be correct that
NO ONE thinks that they, somehow, are going to win every spin?

That being said, the BEST selection method is one where you can get even.
SImple, stupid, obvious point.  THis seems to do it. Is it EXACT?  No.
Nothing is. But it certainly stays within bankroll tolerance of things.

While I was at the table at the end, and watching, this kid sat down next to me
with $100.  A streak of black was starting. 4-5 black.  He began chasing red.
(And wouldn't stop). Betting $15-$20.  Killed his $100 bankroll. He asked me
what I was writing and so forth. I explained it. Told him to NEVER fight a trend.
Maybe one bet for it to stop. But that's it.  I can tell he didn't get it.

Anyway, I've tried this a bunch of times with similar results. What it comes down to
(with capability of doing this), is that it we know WHAT will happen. We just don't
know in what order!!!!!!  HAving said that, if you let it, then a losing streak of
7-8 could KILL you. Unless you know you will recoup.

Working within these boundaries and finding the sweet spot for a D'alenbert or any
other means is the thing that needs to be studied. IF you know you will recover.

And that is what I'm looking at. Weather stopping after 2 losses.  Entry at better
times in the cycle?

But this cycle is where it's at. Unless you are happy with no cycle and push your
bankroll.

One idea I have is similar to the Oscar grind. Betting 1 unit on all the losses and then
going up on the wins.

Thoughts?
NOBODY knows what you THINK they know

Priyanka

Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 17, 06:14 PM 2017Look at the last two. If they are the same, play the same. If they change,
then play for the chop to continue. This captures streaks of both series and
chops. I have been studying this for a while.
This was in one of the roulette books that GLC forwarded me some time back. The problem was the naughty twos when the ECs come in pairs and i landed in the 3rd game and then gave up. May be I should look at this method with all 3 ECs running at the same time.

Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 17, 06:14 PM 2017Thoughts?
This reminds me of the elastic progression from superman. The principle is very simple. He followed a simple FTL bet selection, much similar to last two. However he had a view on what a standard trend in the table looked like. He was using a up as you lose progression, but not a mechanical one with fancy names. He played and upped the stakes based on intuition and never steep. May be thats a way forward on the progression side.
Disclaimer : Roulette systems are subject to laws of probability. If you are not sure about the effects of it, please refer to link:://:.genuinewinner.com/truth. Don't get robbed by scammers.

RouletteGhost

naughty threes

how i hate them

some years ago i thought i had found the HG

i would wait for a naughty two dozen.

i would wait for a dozen to repeat then bet the other two dozens ONCE, win or lose stop and wait for next trigger

works well

until u get naughty threes
the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

link:[url="s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o"]s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o[/url]

cerces

I cannot understand the logic process behind the hundreds of systems/ schemes/wagering plans, that reduce roulette to an EC guessing/prediction game.
Advicates of such, that exhaustively test hundreds, thousands, millions of possible result outcomes, and similar, as exemplified by the various forums, has been debated, argued and discussed for more than ten years (at least).
To what end?
Has any resolution been reached, is anyone wiser, richer or more confident
at the table?
BTW, leave me out of any debate over pros and cons of on-line "casinos", as far as I am concerned, they induce blind rollerskating in quicksand, you really cannot rely on anything you see, feel or read.
At real (B&M) Casinos, at least I have a range of options, and consistent parameters to work with.
I play intuitively most of the time, inside numbers only, and make that my specialist field.
To win, for me at least, requires the toughest regimen and discipline, 'cos I only wager ONE unit, on ONE number per spin, and don't even bet on every spin.
This allows a very modest unit bank to last a long time, even against a luckless/winless sequence.
It is a guessing game, probably the most elaborate and definitely the most debated over, in games of chance, and when you play, you will have the same opportunity as everyone else to win or to lose, same odds, same layout, same decision/result.
Here is one of my more recent Casino Xpedition results.
  A...B....C....D
27..32..00..22
!5..09..07..03
24..33..12..07
35..11..19..18
15..28..14..20
03..15..20..22
19..34..34..33
00..15..17..25
29..29..26..26
32..32..00..23
09..05..00..22
29..15..26..19
To clarify, these four columns of numbers should be read vertically and consecutively!
Column A is the priority number/ indicator/establishment column,
NO WAGER!
Column B uses column A to indicate a TRULY RANDOM NUMBER from column A.
One chip is wagered S/U.
As can be seen, 29 is the first strike, followed on the VERY NEXT SPIN, with 32!.
So, after 12 wagers (column B), I had outlayed a TOTAL of 12 units, and returned a TOTAL of 70 units,  (profit of 58 units.
Cumulatively, (over the three columns A, B and C, I wagered 36 units total, for a PROFIT of 108 units, in less than one hour!
This is representative of an AVERAGE return, and I have no obligation to play through an (unlucky) grind-down, such as Martys or other progressives, and this methodology is open to all sorts of refinements according to individual tastes/styles of money management!
Should anyone doubt the simplicity and effectiveness of this method, feel free to play it hypothetically against, say, Spielbank Actuel archives.
Vary column lengths , have fun, be amazed, get some excitement back into your games, Good Luck!

mogul397

Quote from: Priyanka on Jan 17, 06:40 PM 2017
This was in one of the roulette books that GLC forwarded me some time back. The problem was the naughty twos when the ECs come in pairs and i landed in the 3rd game and then gave up. May be I should look at this method with all 3 ECs running at the same time.
This reminds me of the elastic progression from superman. The principle is very simple. He followed a simple FTL bet selection, much similar to last two. However he had a view on what a standard trend in the table looked like. He was using a up as you lose progression, but not a mechanical one with fancy names. He played and upped the stakes based on intuition and never steep. May be thats a way forward on the progression side.

I will repeat what I have said before. Decades ago I bought a system for $200.  "Craps business
program by Mr C". Al coggins was Mr C. Jim Ferr (a big presence in groups at the time) actually
met him in a casino. Said he earned his living from craps.

System? Wait for 2 (or 3) don't pass. Then bet pass. Once or twice. "If you lose, see if the table
will give it back". That kind of thing. Also claimed that "practicing rolling dice" was necessary to
know how the dice are flowing.

Can't dive all in, but I will say that decades ago I was able to corner the results of dice rolls
on my floor and predict the next roll. Not every roll, but the ones that I thought I could.
I also used it lightly at a live casino. And the 6 wins in a row I had today?  WellI was watching
the flow of the red/black.   runs of reds and blacks.  NLE, which is roulette form of Mr C.
Deciding if 2 in a row will be 3 based on some kind of neurological memory of pattern.

Not to get weird here. But you said it yourself and with this pattern I talk about, yes.
DOUBLES kill it. And isn't if funny how they come together? And even attached? They just do.

So Mr C did what he called the "movie test". You go to a movie and if you like it you stay.
IF you don't you leave. This is a form of that, but while you're watching for that pattern
in particular (while you build a took kit) and you see a double  (Two and a change and maybe
a 2nd).   RRBB........... MAYBE the next one will be RED?????????

In the world of doubles you stand to see RRBBRRBBRR. Something like that.

Maybe that's what Mr C was saying with dice at a craps table.

NOBODY knows what you THINK they know

mogul397

Quote from: cerces on Jan 17, 08:32 PM 2017
I cannot understand the logic process behind the hundreds of systems/ schemes/wagering plans, that reduce roulette to an EC guessing/prediction game.
Advicates of such, that exhaustively test hundreds, thousands, millions of possible result outcomes, and similar, as exemplified by the various forums, has been debated, argued and discussed for more than ten years (at least).
To what end?
Has any resolution been reached, is anyone wiser, richer or more confident
at the table?
BTW, leave me out of any debate over pros and cons of on-line "casinos", as far as I am concerned, they induce blind rollerskating in quicksand, you really cannot rely on anything you see, feel or read.
At real (B&M) Casinos, at least I have a range of options, and consistent parameters to work with.
I play intuitively most of the time, inside numbers only, and make that my specialist field.
To win, for me at least, requires the toughest regimen and discipline, 'cos I only wager ONE unit, on ONE number per spin, and don't even bet on every spin.
This allows a very modest unit bank to last a long time, even against a luckless/winless sequence.
It is a guessing game, probably the most elaborate and definitely the most debated over, in games of chance, and when you play, you will have the same opportunity as everyone else to win or to lose, same odds, same layout, same decision/result.
Here is one of my more recent Casino Xpedition results.
  A...B....C....D
27..32..00..22
!5..09..07..03
24..33..12..07
35..11..19..18
15..28..14..20
03..15..20..22
19..34..34..33
00..15..17..25
29..29..26..26
32..32..00..23
09..05..00..22
29..15..26..19
To clarify, these four columns of numbers should be read vertically and consecutively!
Column A is the priority number/ indicator/establishment column,
NO WAGER!
Column B uses column A to indicate a TRULY RANDOM NUMBER from column A.
One chip is wagered S/U.
As can be seen, 29 is the first strike, followed on the VERY NEXT SPIN, with 32!.
So, after 12 wagers (column B), I had outlayed a TOTAL of 12 units, and returned a TOTAL of 70 units,  (profit of 58 units.
Cumulatively, (over the three columns A, B and C, I wagered 36 units total, for a PROFIT of 108 units, in less than one hour!
This is representative of an AVERAGE return, and I have no obligation to play through an (unlucky) grind-down, such as Martys or other progressives, and this methodology is open to all sorts of refinements according to individual tastes/styles of money management!
Should anyone doubt the simplicity and effectiveness of this method, feel free to play it hypothetically against, say, Spielbank Actuel archives.
Vary column lengths , have fun, be amazed, get some excitement back into your games, Good Luck!

I will definitely give this some testing. And get back.

But I think it's funny that, while disagreeing in principle, you then say that
you use that graph.  But then you say you play "intuitively".

I am sayin both too. Play with some guidelines, but also intuitively..

And it's funny. You can "just feel" what is going to happen next. After seeing
many many many, iterations of the flow of numbers and/or EC's.
NOBODY knows what you THINK they know

NextYear

Quote from: cerces on Jan 17, 08:32 PM 2017
Column B uses column A to indicate a TRULY RANDOM NUMBER from column A.

Thanks!
Can you elaborate a little more on how you select numbers in column B?

Priyanka

Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 17, 08:57 PM 2017So Mr C did what he called the "movie test". You go to a movie and if you like it you stay.
IF you don't you leave. This is a form of that, but while you're watching for that pattern
in particular (while you build a took kit) and you see a double  (Two and a change and maybe
a 2nd).   RRBB........... MAYBE the next one will be RED?????????
cool!!
Disclaimer : Roulette systems are subject to laws of probability. If you are not sure about the effects of it, please refer to link:://:.genuinewinner.com/truth. Don't get robbed by scammers.

iar000

Quote from: cerces on Jan 17, 08:32 PM 2017
I cannot understand the logic process behind the hundreds of systems/ schemes/wagering plans, that reduce roulette to an EC guessing/prediction game.
Advicates of such, that exhaustively test hundreds, thousands, millions of possible result outcomes, and similar, as exemplified by the various forums, has been debated, argued and discussed for more than ten years (at least).
To what end?
Has any resolution been reached, is anyone wiser, richer or more confident
at the table?
BTW, leave me out of any debate over pros and cons of on-line "casinos", as far as I am concerned, they induce blind rollerskating in quicksand, you really cannot rely on anything you see, feel or read.
At real (B&M) Casinos, at least I have a range of options, and consistent parameters to work with.


I play intuitively most of the time, inside numbers only, and make that my specialist field.
To win, for me at least, requires the toughest regimen and discipline, 'cos I only wager ONE unit, on ONE number per spin, and don't even bet on every spin.
This allows a very modest unit bank to last a long time, even against a luckless/winless sequence.
It is a guessing game, probably the most elaborate and definitely the most debated over, in games of chance, and when you play, you will have the same opportunity as everyone else to win or to lose, same odds, same layout, same decision/result.
Here is one of my more recent Casino Xpedition results.
  A...B....C....D
27..32..00..22
!5..09..07..03
24..33..12..07
35..11..19..18
15..28..14..20
03..15..20..22
19..34..34..33
00..15..17..25
29..29..26..26
32..32..00..23
09..05..00..22
29..15..26..19
To clarify, these four columns of numbers should be read vertically and consecutively!
Column A is the priority number/ indicator/establishment column,
NO WAGER!
Column B uses column A to indicate a TRULY RANDOM NUMBER from column A.
One chip is wagered S/U.
As can be seen, 29 is the first strike, followed on the VERY NEXT SPIN, with 32!.
So, after 12 wagers (column B), I had outlayed a TOTAL of 12 units, and returned a TOTAL of 70 units,  (profit of 58 units.
Cumulatively, (over the three columns A, B and C, I wagered 36 units total, for a PROFIT of 108 units, in less than one hour!
This is representative of an AVERAGE return, and I have no obligation to play through an (unlucky) grind-down, such as Martys or other progressives, and this methodology is open to all sorts of refinements according to individual tastes/styles of money management!
Should anyone doubt the simplicity and effectiveness of this method, feel free to play it hypothetically against, say, Spielbank Actuel archives.
Vary column lengths , have fun, be amazed, get some excitement back into your games, Good Luck!

Can you explain me ... this system ABCD for 0 roulette not 00 thank's

nottophammer

Quote from: iar000 on Apr 24, 05:12 PM 2017
Can you explain me ... this system ABCD for 0 roulette not 00 thank's

000

Cerces collected 12 spins in column A.

Column B he bets against column A 1 unit each spin, 1st bet in B is A’s # 27 lose.
When column A #29 he bets that #29 as shown in B; win, same for #32.
That accounts for 2 wins.
Column C wins with #34 and column D win with #26
4 wins =144   3*12=36  wins +108
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

Taotie


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