Roulette for the Millions

[GLC]

Fellow Roulette Players,

As luck would have it, I just picked up another used Roulette book.  Title:  Roulette for the Millions by Patrick O'Neil-Dunne.  Published in 1971. 

It has at least 2 things that may be of interest to us. First he and a team of what looks to be 4 or 5 other players play for 31 days at the Casino de Macao giving us the results.  I don't know if he gives enough details to be really interesting, but we'll see.

The main find was tucked away in the back flap of the book.  A supplement with the complete, certified record of 20,000 spins of the world's longest roulette game.

The listing gives a frequency table for each number. Unfortunately, it's not in electronic format.  I am going to have to take photos of each double page and attach them to posts if anyone thinks it will be valuable to them. 

Of course, if I find anything in the book that I think will be of interest to us, I'll give a summary of all the pertinent details.

George

[GLC]

I notice that Iggiv just posted a ton of real spins from a German casino.

The 20,000 spins in the supplement I got with the book are not in electronic format and so I don't think it's that helpful for me to take pictures of each page and post it here.

A lot of work for not that much unavailable info.

George

[Richard]

This is an interesting 70's roulette book especially for someone new to roulette.

Note that the author hated systems

In one of the session's he was betting on a sleeper I think it was 28, that just would not
appear. His way of betting on this sleeper can be great fun, though I wouldn't recommend
anyone trying it in a casino unless the chips are very low value.

Place 6 chips on lines 25/30, 28/33, 3 chips on street 28/30, 4 chips on corners 25/29,
28/32, 2 chips on splits 25/28, 28/29, 28/31, 1 chip on 28 straight up! A higher value
chip I think is placed on Black, but I should forget that, as it can get very expensive.

If as happened in the case of 28, it is a long term sleeper and you get lucky, the
numbers around 28 will come in during a session and act as feeder chips, to keep going
until 28 finally comes in. If your really lucky, 29 will appear and then you will likely make
a profit, even though 28 keeps sleeping

[GLC]

I have finished a quick skimming of the book.  Here are some of his conclusions after playing the marathon of 31 days of continuous play at the roulette wheel by himself and 5 or 6 other players.  They played all the common bet systems such as Alembert, limited martingale, parlay, etc...

None of the mechanical bet methods did very well.

This book and the other 2 books I have looked at have all come to a similar conclusion about how to win.  They all play for sequences to end.  They also play for sequences to continue, but not as common.

Two of them say that it is a requirement that you be able to determine from the recent results of the wheel whether you should bet for or against the wheel.  If you can decide the right way to go about 50% of the time, you should be able to win.
They also agree that there is a learning curve to this ability.

Patrick suggests that there is a bit of clairvoyance to winning at roulette.  He may be right.  I can't say yes or no to that.

My favorite quote in the book is this:

"If you have money, you are a DRAGON;
If you have none, you are a worm."

This applies to all of life, not just gambling!

His rules for learning to win are:
1.  Practice, practice, practice.
2.  Don't use betting systems.  NONE WORK!
3.  Budget for gambling and don't play with money you're not willing to lose. 
3a. Strict money management is key to winning.
4.  Never borrow to gamble.
5.  Never play when you are tired, worried, or out of sorts for some other reason.
6.  Never play when you are drunk.  (Or even close to drunk.)
7.  Never chase losses.
8.  Reduce your stakes when losing and increase them when winning.  Casino make their money from brave losers and cowardly winners.
9.  If nothing is going right, quit early.
10.  Play like a tennis match.  Best of 5 sets.
11.  If you find yourself always losing.  You are not born to gamble.  Accept your fate and don't gamble.

[GLC]

I just took another skim through this book.  It actually has quite a bit of good information in it.


He makes a big deal about learning to play the game as a professional.  Practice, practice, practice.  A suggestion:  when testing a system, it's good to test it by playing a real roulette game, like demo mode on Betvoyager.  Play it until you can play it with no mistakes.


If you start playing it for real money, start with minimum stakes and build your bankroll.  This is because there's a lot of psychology involved in betting real money that you don't encounter when testing with play money.


I can't stress enough his insistence that using mechanical bet selection and mechanical bet progressions doesn't work, or only works if you're very, very lucky.  If you're that lucky, anything works.  I suppose he would say that I've been wasting a lot of time these last couple of years since he would discourage playing any of my systems.


His method of play is to bet that sleepers will awaken.  The longer they sleep, the more they will hit once they wake up.  This is not absolute, but as a general rule.


He dislikes playing even chances, dozens or columns.  Egg on my face again.


He enjoys playing straight-up numbers and "finals".  If a number is sleeping for a long time, he likes to play the street, line, splits around that number.


He believes in "choosability".  This means that he must have a good sense about a bet before he will make it.  That may be over-stated, but it's the gist of what he means.  He has a short chapter on "Choosability vs Probability".


He also emphasizes that we must know when to increase our bet sizes and when to decrease our bet sizes.  When we're winning and well up with casino winnings, that's the time to start increasing our bet sizes.  He does use a 3 loss signal to either return to our normal bet sizes or, if we're well ahead, to quit for the day when the 3 loss signal hits.


If we start to play and don't feel good about how we're playing, or how things are going, we must have the discipline to quit until another time.


At the end of the 31 day marathon, one team playing various mechanical systems actually won around $3,000 and the other team lost around $3,000.  The author, who bet larger bets and played mostly on sleepers, won $190,000 in the 31 day marathon session.


Just putting ideas out there from sources that appear to be knowledgeable and experienced in Roulette.


Good Luck,


George

[TwoCatSam]

GLC

In #2 he says to never play systems.

Then he says he bets sleepers.

Ahem!  That is a system!!  I've published it a dozen times and I don't know this gent.  Others have published it, too, and I bet they don't know him.

I am always amazed at how author's never seem to proofread their work.  It's like our preacher.  One week he says, "Look to the Lord for help."  Two weeks later he says, "Don't expect the Lord to help you."  I learned not to bring this up to the Faithful as they look at me as a heretic.  I've even seen a few picking up dead sticks.

OK, I'm a little full of it....

TwoCat

[GLC]

TCS,  In my summarizing, I may have put a few words in his mouth, and maybe even a foot or two.

He meant to say that the experiment of playing straight through from midnight of April 10, 1970 to midnight May 11, 1970 indicated that betting progressions like martingale, D'Alembert, Labby, Paroli, etc... don't work.  At least they didn't in the 20,000 continuous spins they played. 

They didn't use any of the bet selection methods that we discuss on this forum.  Maybe that will make a difference.  I'm hoping so, but in 4 or 5 years of playing around with this game, I can't say for sure I've found the cat's meow (so to speak).

Of course you're right in pointing out that playing sleepers is a system.  I guess what I meant was that he didn't play a set method for deciding when to bet a sleeper or how long to stay with it.  I suppose if you break them down to the basics, almost all of our systems are based on either sleepers or hotters.

Remember, he's big on clairvoyance, intuition or whatever you want to call it.  If his results during the marathon is typical, then he definitely has the gift.  If it was just a fluke, it was a really big fluke.

I suggest you keep this under your hat when talking to the brethren.  They'll think you're in cohorts with the devil and invite you to a bonfire out behind the church.  No closet clairvoyants allowed.

Even though we can find some faults with his conclusions and advice, he did make some excellent points.  I found his book, though not profoundly helpful, better than others that I've read.

GLC

P.S.  Even though I picked this up in a used book store, it still had the booklet with the 20,000 spins recorded.  It also posted some of the statistics like how long certain numbers, lines, dozens, even chances etc... slept or had steaks.  It's pretty interesting.

It's also useful for testing because they are 20,000 continuous spins on a single zero wheel.

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