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[Francis]

Just my  2¢ worth. There is nothing great about this bet. It is the same as a losing (-ve) progression on any 10 streets or 5 lines or any 30 inside numbers. .

[Turner]

TwoCat,

Maybe I am being (or sounding) harsh. Everyones got their view.

I just thought that well before one would say "just lose $180 and come back later", one would have said "this is a duff idea".

I downloaded evey single system off VLS and tried them all. They all did exactly the same thing

Harzburg spins april 3rd Table 2......wow this system just made me £100
Bremen Casino may 5th Table 5 ......This system is worse than The Osmands reunion ticket sales

There is no holy grail. They are all full of holes.

Their success is down to the people who manage it, not the system.

If everything allways worked, Jim Lovell would have landed on the moon. Evil Kenivel wouldnt have broke every bone in his body and Casinos wouldnt exist.

I don't know if you are from US or europe TwoCats, but every other advert on the TV in UK is some kind of online Casino/Bingo site. that's because people are out of control idiots....not that there are no decent systems.

There are good systems out there.

The system described here isnt one of them.

[vile]

Your problems with any method/system is couse most of you/if not all/
are testing it.... illions spins...try to do it on average 350-400 spins,
night session usually,swapping several methods throught a night...not playing just
only one method,and you will see different picture in your pockets.
Plus/swap---plus/swap--plus/swap.plus/swap.....you got it*?

[Bayes]

..not playing just only one method,and you will see different picture in your pockets.

I agree, with one caveat: If a method is working, continue to play it, no need to change. But if it isn't, that's when you should swap.

The problem is that people want a simple system which they can play like a robot and double their bank every time.

[TwoCatSam]

turnerfeck

I am from the USA.

If the above is an example of a bad system, tell me one on VLS that is a good one in your opinion.

Sam

[ego]

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I see this topic before with progression - don't remember how many steps.
I know some one can use high/low with two lines - that way some one can use any line with 6 numbers as bet selection - i think the best way is to wait until one fall into sleep and then play once.

[Turner]

Twocats,

Sorry, mabe I'm not getting my point over.

What I was saying was that I have tried every coded RX system off VLS downloads. That must amount to 120-150 systems. They all fail at sometime. And most look great now and again.

I do like Turbo456, but it plays hard, but it dies even harder.
I like Millions in May ideas where you see a trigger of some definition, then keep adding units to new numbers. There are a few MIM ideas in VLS. They also win well, and die spectacularly.

I actually had an idea recently. Based on the aweful "wait until a dozen hasn't his for 5 spins then bet on it" idea, I thought to bet on it not happening by placing a unit on the oposite dozens, because it regularly fails to hit on 6, or 7 and can go 15, 16 without a hit.

It works very well, but I havnt tested it megga

My idea wasn't to win, but to lose. I want to lose £20 then come away. So I wait 5 spins and lets say Doz 2 doesn't come out, I bet £10 on D1 and £10 on D3.
The silly "wait 5 spins" doesn't work and I win £10.
i then bet £5 on D1 and D3. Then £2, £1. So I'm up to 9 spins without a win.
Its risky now, so I bet D2 will come out. And it usually does within 2.

1,2,4,8U makes 13 spins without a hit.

Its a green shoots idea.....needs thining about (or binning LoL)

Mabe this is the way forward.

Invent a system, then play it in an Anti way.

[Robeenhuut]

Twocats,

Sorry, mabe I'm not getting my point over.

What I was saying was that I have tried every coded RX system off VLS downloads. That must amount to 120-150 systems. They all fail at sometime. And most look great now and again.

I do like Turbo456, but it plays hard, but it dies even harder.
I like Millions in May ideas where you see a trigger of some definition, then keep adding units to new numbers. There are a few MIM ideas in VLS. They also win well, and die spectacularly.

I actually had an idea recently. Based on the aweful "wait until a dozen hasn't his for 5 spins then bet on it" idea, I thought to bet on it not happening by placing a unit on the oposite dozens, because it regularly fails to hit on 6, or 7 and can go 15, 16 without a hit.

It works very well, but I havnt tested it megga

My idea wasn't to win, but to lose. I want to lose £20 then come away. So I wait 5 spins and lets say Doz 2 doesn't come out, I bet £10 on D1 and £10 on D3.
The silly "wait 5 spins" doesn't work and I win £10.
i then bet £5 on D1 and D3. Then £2, £1. So I'm up to 9 spins without a win.
Its risky now, so I bet D2 will come out. And it usually does within 2.

1,2,4,8U makes 13 spins without a hit.

Its a green shoots idea.....needs thining about (or binning LoL)

Mabe this is the way forward.

Invent a system, then play it in an Anti way.

All systems die in 1M spins testing. But these are not real playing conditions. They don't not factor in win goal or stop-loss. Rx coding just gives you an idea about a system. Old fashioned testing is much better but most people are too lazy to do it. Try to run properly coded system on RX for 100 spins. If it nosedives most of the time then its a discard.
If it holds up 90% of a time and later goes down... What does it tell you?
If you answer this  question then  maybe you found the key...

Regards

[Turner]

Rob

I do test that way on RX, with real casino spins. Usually 100 like you said.

i tested all the VLS systems that way too.

mad thing is, when me and the Wife go to Grosvenor Casino on a Wednsday, i cant do any system at all.

i just cant think in a live arena. We do well betting on numbers that have hit once or twice. No sleepers

Ive got too used to RX doing it all for me.

[Robeenhuut]

Rob

I do test that way on RX, with real casino spins. Usually 100 like you said.

i tested all the VLS systems that way too.

mad thing is, when me and the Wife go to Grosvenor Casino on a Wednsday, i can't do any system at all.

i just can't think in a live arena. We do well betting on numbers that have hit once or twice. No sleepers

I've got too used to RX doing it all for me.

Yeah. Unfortunately sooner or later you have to make a dreaded trip to B&M casino or get online and hope that all your testing will hold up.  Unless you are in it just for a hobby like just playing for fun money.

[iggiv]

stiff patterns like this always lose on a long run. period. that's a feature or randomness (and roulette): every kind of bet used too frequently and for long time is gonna lose. If it was not like this, roulette as casino game would not exist by now.

[zoolander]

This is completly NOT a system. even in Hit&Run once a day

[TwoCatSam]

Invent a system, then play it in an Anti way.

This is why I'm on forums.  Some guy makes a statement like the above and it sets me thinking.  Next thing you know, I've found a piece of the puzzle I've been looking for since 2007.

I am convinced the answer is out there.  I found half of it in his post.

For years I have loved, played and studied the G.U.T. by winkle.  I knew there was something I was missing; something winkle himself was missing--The Anti-Crossing!  Not 0 vs1 but crossing vs anti-crossing!  I love it.  I'm a little rummy tonight!  Not the "Holy Grail" but I can pay for my nursing home!

Thank you and Thank you!

TwoCatSam

[Blood Angel]

--The Anti-Crossing!  Not 0 vs1 but crossing vs anti-crossing!  I love it.  I'm a little rummy tonight!  Not the "Holy Grail" but I can pay for my nursing home!

Thank you and Thank you!

TwoCatSam

Hi TCS,
I was a big follower of G.U.T. too( and a player ) but that was a little while ago.
Would you care to expand on your crossing v anti-crossing idea? Im having trouble getting my head around it.
Thank you.

[TwoCatSam]

Let me get it all straight in my mind.  I should have called it the "Crossing Creator", perhaps.

You have this:  14 vs 12 (0 vs 1)  Now, a hit on the fourteen numbers would "create" this:  13  vs 13.  The bet that won on the fourteen numbers "created" the true crossing.  It's the "anti-crossing" or better, the "Crossing Creator."

It's  like what I called "The winkel non-crossing crossing".  Sort of...........

Let's revive the G.U.T.

Sam