MS4

[birdhands]

Madmax, Thanks for the tracker.  I just have a couple questions:


Why do I get ## in the C column?


What is that big grid in the lower right with all those R2,R1,B2,etc for?


When a 0 hits I should just leave the space blank right?


So far so good.

[birdhands]

This way is correct (using your numbers):






5
6    B2 from 5(because left side from 5)
17  B2 from 6,  trigger B2, bet 2,4,15,26,35,28,29,22,31
26  B2  Win,    wait new trigger
13  B1 from 26(because right side)
8    B1 from 13,  trigger B1, bet 8,10,24,33,20,31,22,29,28
29  B1  Win  wait new trigger
29  B1  from 29
8    B2  from 29  shouldn"t we bet B2 here?  isn't this the trigger?
13  B2  trigger, bet 6,17,2......
22  B1  L1, bet B2 from 22, so 31,20,33.......
18  R1  L2, bet B2 from 18, so 22,31,20.....
16  R2  L3  bet 24,10,8....
28  B1  L4, new trigger B1 bet 28,35,26......
21  R1  L1, bet B1 so 2,17,6.....
33  B1  Win


Hope is Ok now .


cheers

[MadMax]

Hi birdhands! In the tracker, don´t enter the zeros and also don´t leave a blank for these. Just ignore it and enter the next number after the 0 under the first number before the 0. Otherwise you get these ##.
The grid is the matrix of the results. The tracker don´t calculate, it only takes his results from this grid. You can number the lines downward from 1 to 36 and also sidewards from 1 to 36. The tracker just looks into this grid, say, line 12 (no. 12), column 3 (no. 3), and reads the result for this combination.
I couldn´t find a smarter way to handle these.
If there are any more questions, feel free to ask!

[Kattila]

Yes Sam you are right, B2 is trigger.

[Kattila]

one from the lost sessions


[reveal]

26          virtual play                                                total
29  b2
32  r1
11  b1
4    b2  trigger
2    b1  l
6    b1  l                              b1 on wait
8    b1  l
9    r1  l      bet b1
17  b1  w                            start real play
34  r1  trigg.
25  r2  l1
11  b1 l2
31  b1  l3                            b1 on wait
8    b2  l4 -36  ,  bet b1
1    r1  l1                            r1 on wait
31  b1  w  +18,  bet r1
12  r1  w  +27
20  b2  trigg.
18  r1  l1
16  r2  l2
31  b1  l3
33  b2  w  0
35  b1  trigg.
35  b1  w  +27
24  b2
10  b2  trigg.
20  b1  l1
29  b1  l2                            b1 on wait
35  b1  l3
2    b1 l4  -36  , bet b1
32  r2  l1
5    r2  l2                              r2 on wait
19  r2  l3
0        l4 -36  , bet r2
6    b1  l1
27  r1  l2
29  b2  l3
2    b1  l4 -36    Stop ,wait virtual W (bet b1 virtual)            total  -72
32  r2  l
23  r1  l
5    r1  l                                r1 on wait
15  b2  l,  bet r1 virtual
2    b1  l
26  b2  l                                b2 on wait
16  r2  l
18  r1  w          Start real play, bet b2
31  b2  w  +27
23  r2  trigg.
10  b1  l1
13  b2  l2
4    b2  l3                                b2 on wait
31  b2  l4  -36  , bet b2
19  r1  l1
27  r1  l2                                  r1 on wait
22  b1  l3
27  r2  l4  -36                        End session  -117


[/reveal]

In this situation maybe better not bet that trigger B1
because hit 4 times in row ( could be a new rule)
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.
.
10  b2  trigg.
20  b1  l1
29  b1  l2                            b1 on wait
35  b1  l3
2    b1 l4  -36  , bet b1  , (I think is better bet on next new trigger).
32  r2 
5    r2   trigger r2 
19  r2  W +27
0       
6    b1  trigger
27  r1  l1
29  b2  l2
2    b1  W +9
32  r2 
23  r1  trigg.
5    r1  W +27                         
15  b2  trigg.
2    b1  l1
26  b2   W +18                             
16  r2  trigg.
18  r1  l1
31  b2  l2
23  r2  W +9
..so on..

[carpanta]

I like these 9 number-events.

26         virtual play
                                             
29  b2  32  r1   11  b1
4    b2   2   b1    6  b1    bet b1
8    b1   9   r1   17  b1   b1 win
34  r1  25   r2   11  b1   b1 win
31  b1   8   b2    1   r1   b1 win
12  r1  20   b2  18   r1   b1 lose  bet b2
16  r2  31   b1  33   b2  b2 win
35  b1  35  b1  24   b2  b2 win
10  b2  20  b1  29   b1  b2 win
35  b1   2   b1  32   r2   b2 lose  bet b1
5    r2   19  r2 0 6    b1  b1 win
27  r1   29  b2   2    b1   b1 win
32  r2   23  r1    5    r1   b1 lose   bet r1
15  b2    2  b1  26   b2   r1 lose   no bet
16  r2   18  r1   23   r2                 no bet
10  b1  13  b2    4   b2                 no bet
31  b2  19  r1   27   r1                  bet b2
22  b1  27  r2                  theird spin?

Good job, Kattila.

Cheers,
Carlos.

[birdhands]

@Katilla, wow.  19 losses, then 2 wins, then 8 losses...  not even the fibo would have survived (well maybe, if it was long enough; but I like to play the fibo 11122233355588813,13,13=18 steps then stop-loss at -864.  The losses become exponential when we add more steps from there).


@Carpanta, I don't understand completely.  You say 9 number events; does this mean bet the movement that has occurred most in 6 spins, and bet it for 3 spins?


this part:


32  r2   23  r1    5    r1   b1 lose   bet r1
15  b2    2  b1  26   b2   r1 lose   no bet
16  r2   18  r1   23   r2                 no bet
10  b1  13  b2    4   b2                 no bet
31  b2  19  r1   27   r1                  bet b2
22  b1  27  r2                  theird spin?

why no bet?  b2 qualifies.  then you say bet b2 when there are 3 b2 but also 3 r1 in the preceding 9.

[Optimist]

@Katilla, wow.  19 losses, then 2 wins, then 8 losses...  not even the fibo would have survived (well maybe, if it was long enough; but I like to play the fibo 11122233355588813,13,13=18 steps then stop-loss at -864.  The losses become exponential when we add more steps from there).

Hi Birdhands,

Do you have spins? I would like to see them.

Thanks

DL

[Kattila]

I like these 9 number-events.

26         virtual play
                                             
29  b2  32  r1   11  b1
4    b2   2   b1    6  b1    bet b1
8    b1   9   r1   17  b1   b1 win
34  r1  25   r2   11  b1   b1 win
31  b1   8   b2    1   r1   b1 win
12  r1  20   b2  18   r1   b1 lose  bet b2
16  r2  31   b1  33   b2  b2 win
35  b1  35  b1  24   b2  b2 win
10  b2  20  b1  29   b1  b2 win
35  b1   2   b1  32   r2   b2 lose  bet b1
5    r2   19  r2 0 6    b1  b1 win
27  r1   29  b2   2    b1   b1 win
32  r2   23  r1    5    r1   b1 lose   bet r1
15  b2    2  b1  26   b2   r1 lose   no bet
16  r2   18  r1   23   r2                 no bet
10  b1  13  b2    4   b2                 no bet
31  b2  19  r1   27   r1                  bet b2
22  b1  27  r2                  theird spin?

Good job, Kattila.

Cheers,
Carlos.

Hi Carlos , i *see* your way, stay on the winner until lost -36,
then go to next trigger(but not sure how you choose the trigger).

[Kattila]

@Katilla, wow.  19 losses, then 2 wins, then 8 losses...  not even the fibo would have survived (well maybe, if it was long enough; but I like to play the fibo 11122233355588813,13,13=18 steps then stop-loss at -864.  The losses become exponential when we add more steps from there).


@Carpanta, I don't understand completely.  You say 9 number events; does this mean bet the movement that has occurred most in 6 spins, and bet it for 3 spins?


this part:


32  r2   23  r1    5    r1   b1 lose   bet r1
15  b2    2  b1  26   b2   r1 lose   no bet
16  r2   18  r1   23   r2                 no bet
10  b1  13  b2    4   b2                 no bet
31  b2  19  r1   27   r1                  bet b2
22  b1  27  r2                  theird spin?

why no bet?  b2 qualifies.  then you say bet b2 when there are 3 b2 but also 3 r1 in the preceding 9.

Sam 19 losses ? I always stop after 8 or 12 Ls and wait virtual W.

[birdhands]

I'm referring to the 19 losses in your losing session.  I know that you stopped at 12 and waited for a virtual win, but I don't, so I would have hit all 19.  I'm not really convinced that virtual betting to avoid strings of losses is beneficial in the long term.  All of those lost wins really add up.  And especially when playing a fibo we need every little win to bring the progression back.  Some steps a win brings the progression back 4 steps, others it goes back 6 steps.  I'm still not sure which is better between 111,222,333,555..etc and 1111,2222,3333,5555...etc.


@Optimist, I don't keep my numbers.  I just don't have the time right now.  It's all I can do just to test.  I played flat betting on the BV no zero and it broke even eventually, which I expected.  I think this bet selection is only useful on a real wheel.  I might start to test it on real numbers soon, now that I have the hang of it.  Even on RNG a long fibo on 9 numbers could win for a while.


EDIT:  On further reflection I think the 1111,2222,3333,5555...13 fibo is superior.  It still offers 6 initial steps of profit, goes 24 steps instead of 18, and has a smaller bankroll.

[Kattila]

First try flat bet , but not on RNG.

[Drazen]

I I'm not really convinced that virtual betting to avoid strings of losses is beneficial in the long term.

This is very wrong.
And RNG is for suckers.


Regards


Drazen

[birdhands]

Everybody please calm down; I'm only using the RNG for testing because it's convenient.


And I'm interested in hearing arguments for why virtual betting is a great idea; that's why I brought it up in the first place.  But please, a discussion, not a shouting match.

[sarif]

where is tracker for this system i would like to try