% Grinder - Trading - Marigny de Grilleua & Markow Chains

[albertojonas]

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The three present states has the same probability and same random distribution as dozen 1X2.

There is one exception to our advantage - you place less bets on the layout then you would do playing dozen's.
Example if you would play against dozen to alternate with one show each you would have to place 4 units to cover does postions and try to win - but using even money bets with three present states you only have to place two to three single bets to cover the same positions - depending on strategy.

no one interested?




Cheers

[Nickmsi]

Hi Alberto . . .

Yes, I am always interested in more information on this.

I have a Tracker that only tracks 9 Single Series and bets upon a correction.  Have not advanced past the Single Series but would like to.

Thanks

Nick

[albertojonas]

Please mr. ego if I may add one idea of mine here. What I think is pretty cool way of taking as a standard march if one would play this.

Now when i perfectly understand principle of reducing bets to get same probability and now when I know how to get probability of 2:1 odds, playing on 1:1 odds i see random through different way. I like it a lot realy

I reckon that only 4-5 people maybe here knows and understand all this, and the rest has no clue, finding it too hard or give up in the start, or not doing it right, because it is not easy to understand immedietaly for someone who just tryes that...

I was doing my head around this for a while, and hitting against the wall few times before i didn't figured it out...

It is like driving a bicycle, I can show you and tell you all the theory, but anyway you won't be able to sit and drive it right for the first time.. It takes time. Same with this. But once when you get this principle playing roulette on even chances will be so interesting and funny if you apply some of ideas with this.

Ok how I think I am going to play this. I would play against repeating state, but against thrid from behind.. Why? Because if we would lost 3 attacks we would have 6 states in a row, and of course each have probability of showing 1/3 ... And that my dear roulette fellows you don't see so often...

You will see it once and then and very rare even more. You can stop maybe at 6 or 5 showed if you want, waiting rolling to stops and on change start again. How often happens that 6 dozens show in a row  back to back in short time? Well I must admit that I didn't found it yet... Although mantra says that in roulette everything can happen.

so it would be like this for example

1. serie
2. serie
3. hovering
4. single--you played against 1.(serie) win
5. hovering--you played against 2.(serie) win
6. single--you played against 3. (hovering) win

and so on
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My opinion and from although not so extensive tests, that this way of playing shows realy cool winning strikes, and when you would hit losing serie of 3 attacks you would already be dealing with quite decently low probability...

Cheers

Drazen

3 Lost Attacks mean 6 Losses in a row. exactly like playing dozens.

[albertojonas]

... It works almost the same as Ego's optimal march.


1=Series of Singles
2=Series of Series
3=Isolated Single (hovering)



SERIES OF SERIES = SERIES OF SINGLES


IN 1024 SPINS


32 ISOLATED SERIES / SINGLES
16 SERIES OF 2 SERIES / SERIES OF 2 SINGLES
8  SERIES OF 3 SERIES / SERIES OF 3 SINGLES
4  SERIES OF 4 SERIES / SERIES OF 4 SINGLES
2  SERIES OF 5 SERIES / SERIES OF 5 SINGLES
1  SERIES OF 6 SERIES / SERIES OF 6 SINGLES
1  SERIES OF 7 SERIES / SERIES OF 7 SINGLES

First i would like to state that the above does not have the same distribution as 3 dozens.


1)There is also isolated series (hovering).


2)It has also to do on how you consider series of series
1122 ->Series of series what about 1122112-? series of series repeating?


3) we are betting for repeating state on the length of Series of Series but not on the length of series of singles.


If anyone has some insight on this, please clarify. EGO

about Drazen's proposal:
you see 123
and next you play against 1 so you bet series once and if you lose you bet series again to catch hovering.
suppose the losing state 123
123 1(LL)
no you bet against Series of Series state, you bet singles and if you lose you already have a repeating state. so one more bet.
123 1(LL)2(L)
now you play against hovering state, you bet series and if you lose you bet singles to catch series of singles
123 1(LL)2(L)3(LL)


So you do the party with 5 bets.


the above is a bit different than playing that 3 must not alternate after 3 alternated. More on this latter


...
to be continued...

[albertojonas]

 

[amk]

Thanks albertojonas for bringing this up again.


See some interesting possibilities, will look further.


Hope ego and Drazen might join in again.

[ego]

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Thanks for the great work A ,,, i also been looking into different options...

I just solve one march that i did have an issue with before, just did not know how to deal with it.
The idea was to play against three state to alternate (like getting 123 with dozen).

So i have made some interesting observations based upon my march.

1. First i show how it works with dozen to follow the march, gets more easy to understand for others that way.

You follow the last hit dozen, if it repeats you win and continue following it.
If you lose, then you have two present dozen and you follow them, if you win you follow the last hit dozen to repeat and follow this formula over and over again.
If you lose you have three straight loses with three dozen with one show each, alternating.

2. The same thing above apply to three different states using even money  bets.
Series to chop state, singles to chop state, isolated single hovering state.

Here can you see how each random sequential distribution end with three states.

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2
2
1
2
1
1
1
1
2
1 W
2
2
1
1 L
1
2
1 L
1 L
1

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2
2
1
1
2
1 L
2
2
1
1 W
1
2
2 W
2
2
1
1 W
2
2 W
2
1
1 W
2
1 L
1
2
1 L
2 L
2

- - -

1
1
2
1
2
1
1
1
1
2
1 W
1
2
1 W
2
1
2
2
1
1 L
1
2
1 L
1 L
1
1

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2
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
1 L
1
2
2 W
2
1
1 W
1
1
2
2 W
2
2
2
1
2 L
1
1
1
1
2
1
2
1 L
1 L
1

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2
2
2
1
1
2
2 W
1
2 L
2
1
2 L
2 W
1
2 W
1
2
2
2
2
1
2 W
1
1
1
1
1
2
2 L
2
1
1 W
1
2
2 W
1
2 L
2
2
1
2 L
2 W
1
2 W
1
1
2
2 L
1
2 L
2 L

- - -

1
1
2
2
2
1
2 L
1
1
1
1
2
2 W
2
2
1
2 L
1
2
1
1
1
2
2 W
1
2 L
1
2
1
1
2
2 W
2
1
1 W
1
2
1 L
2
1
1
1
1
2
1 L
2 W
1
1
2
2 L
1
2 L
1 W
1
1
1
2
1 W
1
1
1
1
2
2 L
1
1 W
1
1
2
1 L
1
2
2 W
2
1
2 L
2
1
2 L
1 L
1

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2
2
1
1
2
1 L
2
1
2
1
2
1
1
1
1
1
2
1 L
2 W
1
2
2
2
1
2 W
2
1
2 W
1
1
2
1 W
1
2
2
1
2 W
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
1
2 W
2
1
1
2
1 W
2
2
2
1
1 L
22
2
1
2
1
1
1
1
2
1 W
2
2
1
1 L
1
2
1 L
1 L
1

2
2
1
1
2
1 L
2
2
1
1 W
1
2
2 W
2
2
1
1 W
2
2 W
2
1
1 W
2
1 L
1
2
1 L
2 L
2

1
1
2
1
2
1
1
1
1
2
1 W
1
2
1 W
2
1
2
2
1
1 L
1
2
1 L
1 L
1
1

2
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
1 L
1
2
2 W
2
1
1 W
1
1
2
2 W
2
2
2
1
2 L
1
1
1
1
2
1
2
1 L
1 L
1

2
2
2
1
1
2
2 W
1
2 L
2
1
2 L
2 W
1
2 W
1
2
2
2
2
1
2 W
1
1
1
1
1
2
2 L
2
1
1 W
1
2
2 W
1
2 L
2
2
1
2 L
2 W
1
2 W
1
1
2
2 L
1
2 L
2 L

1
1
2
2
2
1
2 L
1
1
1
1
2
2 W
2
2
1
2 L
1
2
1
1
1
2
2 W
1
2 L
1
2
1
1
2
2 W
2
1
1 W
1
2
1 L
2
1
1
1
1
2
1 L
2 W
1
1
2
2 L
1
2 L
1 W
1
1
1
2
1 W
1
1
1
1
2
2 L
1
1 W
1
1
2
1 L
1
2
2 W
2
1
2 L
2
1
2 L
1 L
1

2
2
1
1
2
1 L
2
1
2
1
2
1
1
1
1
1
2
1 L
2 W
1
2
2
2
1
2 W
2
1
2 W
1
1
2
1 W
1
2
2
1
2 W
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
1
2 W
2
1
1
2
1 W
2
2
2
1
1 L
2
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W


That is 300 trails.

This is how the LW-Registry looks like for each random sequential hits with different states.

WLLL
LWWWWWLLL
WWLLL
LWWWLLL
WLLWWWLWWLLWWLLL
LWLWLWWLLWLLWWLWLWLLL
LLWWWWWWWLLW

Pretty average variance, but playing once for each attack gives a tight variance but less action.

WLWWLWWLWLLW

Cheers