Educated Guess

[albertojonas]

  We're looking for one that can be played a certain way and a few chips can be won by someone with the discipline to follow a playing style.  It's not just "can a system win forever" it's also, "can I take a really good system and learn how to win chips with it."

For me, Gambling is all about this.
Sit at the table relaxed and confident about my bets, because i am prepared to whatever happens. Because Know my bets and have expectation on how them behave (Tests).

[monaco]

if that low variance holds for the LL filtered way (I presume that's the way you're going to be playing George?), you could go to a 2u bet at -5, & just stay there til you're back at -1, then go back to the 1 u bet. You might not need much more than that i think.

I'm trying to find numbers that lose so i can check how far it may dip, but i can't find any 

Alberto - have you still got any of the losing b1 spins? Session 15 in June (-13)?

[Master_of_pockets]

"""It's not just "can a system win forever" it's also, "can I take a really good system and learn how to win chips with it.""""

If the 1st can t happen , then the 2nd can t happen either.

"""We know that most of them fail."""
Let me say it cottect .... """ We know that every one of them fail"""
And NO not everyone knows that every one of them fail.

But u are right about this :

"""As if you have to correct every comment that disagrees with your perspective.  Or you have to point out that someone's idea has been tried and won't work so we might as well close out that topic and quit wasting time on it.

For everyone who reads and contributes to this forum, here's how it works.  People post ideas for systems.  They include variations on how to select betting opportunities and bet progressions.  People read them, do a few tests, either like them or not.  Someone else posts an idea and ditto."""

I will not do this again...
when i will be reading a topic with a bad idea , I won t post anything in it because:
1)we are making the morality of the members go down . and this is bad.
2)nobody seems to listen...because if they were listening, they wouldn t post those BS,

[Robeenhuut]

RBH,  I'm not such a sensitive guy.  If I get frustrated about something, it's because that something is frustrating.  And don't think that because only a couple of people took the time to comment means that others aren't noticing similar issues.

Many of your posts are appropriate and welcome but many others do have the tone of "The Professor" of the forum.  As if you have to correct every comment that disagrees with your perspective.  Or you have to point out that someone's idea has been tried and won't work so we might as well close out that topic and quit wasting time on it.

For everyone who reads and contributes to this forum, here's how it works.  People post ideas for systems.  They include variations on how to select betting opportunities and bet progressions.  People read them, do a few tests, either like them or not.  Someone else posts an idea and ditto.

If you could only post systems that meet the math guys parameters, there would be almost no posts and most of the members would quit the forum because there would be nothing going on.

Every now and then, amidst all the back and forth an idea percolates to the top like AJ's and gets us excited.  We'll see how it progresses.

Don't be so quick to shut every topic down, we're not children at pre-school.  We know that most of them fail.  We're looking for one that can be played a certain way and a few chips can be won by someone with the discipline to follow a playing style.  It's not just "can a system win forever" it's also, "can I take a really good system and learn how to win chips with it."

I have a feeling about this one.  Two pretty good minds in Ego and AJ have come up with a good looking system.  Let us test it for a while before we decide it won't work because it's based on some idea that you disagree with.

Fair enough George.  I do have also a good feeling about AJ work. I just could not help myself to comment on theoretical groundwork behind it. But i never suggested to drop it  Guilty as charged.  But a good theory is only as good as the paper it was written on. So lets get on with more testing.

Regards

[albertojonas]

Fair enough George.  I do have also a good feeling about AJ work. I just could not help myself to comment on theoretical groundwork behind it. But i never suggested to drop it  Guilty as charged.  But a good theory is only as good as the paper it was written on. So lets get on with more testing.

Regards

All help is very welcome.

[albertojonas]

if that low variance holds for the LL filtered way (I presume that's the way you're going to be playing George?), you could go to a 2u bet at -5, & just stay there til you're back at -1, then go back to the 1 u bet. You might not need much more than that i think.

I'm trying to find numbers that lose so i can check how far it may dip, but i can't find any 

Alberto - have you still got any of the losing b1 spins? Session 15 in June (-13)?

I have all the spin data. And it is also available on Random.org for the selected date. (view post #2)
I will post all the files so everyone can test it the easy way, (and maybe learn some excel tricks).

[albertojonas]

Here you have 2 zip files with sessions from May & June.

[albertojonas]

Now up to date... July!


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[Master_of_pockets]

nice results mate

[GLC]

if that low variance holds for the LL filtered way (I presume that's the way you're going to be playing George?), you could go to a 2u bet at -5, & just stay there til you're back at -1, then go back to the 1 u bet. You might not need much more than that i think.

I'm trying to find numbers that lose so i can check how far it may dip, but i can't find any 

Alberto - have you still got any of the losing b1 spins? Session 15 in June (-13)?

Monaco,  You can use 2 unit bet at below -5.  What we have to do is test this on a roulette wheel so we can see how much impact the zero is going to have.  Of course for those who can play non-zero roulette at betvoyager it's not an issue.  For the rest of us, it is.

I've been think about setting a -10 stop loss and a +10 win target.  Just to see if it makes a major difference overall.

It looks like playing both bets simultaneously is pretty stable.

AJ, is that what you're thinking makes the most sense?  Or are you still gathering data?

[albertojonas]

Monaco,  You can use 2 unit bet at below -5.  What we have to do is test this on a roulette wheel so we can see how much impact the zero is going to have.  Of course for those who can play non-zero roulette at betvoyager it's not an issue.  For the rest of us, it is.

I've been think about setting a -10 stop-loss and a +10 win target.  Just to see if it makes a major difference overall.

It looks like playing both bets simultaneously is pretty stable.

AJ, is that what you're thinking makes the most sense?  Or are you still gathering data?

I am  . I like the idea of Stop-loss and Win-target. Also the idea of increasing base unit from one negative session into the other proves feasible to me.
Working on testing for 3 ecs including zero. =)
cheers

[Tomla021]

Finally understand the actual bet better and will look at some 0/00 spins
nice system

[malcop]

I like the idea of using 1 unit bet for 0 filter & 2 unit bet for 1 filter.

One you are on 2 units you stay on 2 units until you are back in plus.

Or if you wish increase by 1 unit each time you get a new LL(filter 1) until you are back in + then back down to 1 units etc.

Thanks

malcop

[Tomla021]

been trying this bet straight out on baccarat scorecards not waiting for LL ,, its pretty darn good. Im using the great8 method of betting  1111111
                                                          2222222
                                                          3333333

[GLC]

been trying this bet straight out on baccarat scorecards not waiting for LL ,, its pretty darn good. I'm using the great8 method of betting  1111111
                                                          2222222
                                                          3333333

That would make this Project 777, eh mate?