Beat The Odds

[GLC]

This is a fun way to play the even chance bet on roulette, craps (pass/don't pass), baccarat, etc...


To all roulette gurus.  Please don't clutter up this topic with statements about how it won't work.  I know that it will work.  I have tested it and reached the 434 unit level 2 times.  I have lost my buy-in of 93 units only 1 time.  So, some will win and some will lose.  I'm still looking for the system where everyone wins every time starting with 93 units.  This is as close as I've come so far.


Other suggestions are welcome.


This little ditty is based on the idea that if I bet that RRRRR won't show and I play 1,000 continuous spins betting against RRRRR, I will probably hit 5 RRRRR's (with roulette zero counts as an R also). I will probably see it multiple times. I'm sure the math guys can tell us exactly how many times we can expect to see 5 R's (or zero's) in 1000 spins.

My contention is that I have a better chance of not hitting 5 R's if I start betting at random times than if I bet a continuous line. In other words, let's say we have 100 spins and in the midst of those 100 spins is 5R's. If I start playing B at spin 1 and continue betting B, I will for sure come across those 5 R's and lose 5 bets in a row.  But, what if I start playing at random times, say 150 times.  I could miss the 5 R's all 150 times. I could miss them 200 times. As a matter of fact, I could randomly pick a point to enter the line of 100 spins, bet that the next 5 spins won't be 5R's, and possibly never pick the exact point where the 5 R's begin.

Okay, I acknowledge that it's possible that I could pick that exact spot the very 1st time. That's what makes it gambling.

Here's the system.

Pick the color you want to bet against. Let's say we're going to bet against Black.  We will bet for RRRRR.   We will be betting 1-2-4-8-16. This is called a 5 step, capped martingale. What we're betting is that the color we picked will not show in the next 5 spins.  If you want, you can wait until you’ve had 1, 2, 3, 4 or more Blacks hit in a row and then start betting the 5 R’s.  If you choose to wait until you’ve had 2 B’s before you bet, to lose means you start betting on the line there were 7 Blacks coming in a row.  Using a trigger slows the game down considerably and if you pick too many B's before betting, you may want to play this in conjunction with another systems.


A note:  You can pick any 5 color sequence to bet against.  RRBRB, BRRRR or anything.  It doesn't matter.

We will be playing with 3 levels of bets.
Level 1:  31 units 1-2-4-8-16
Level 2:  62 units  2-4-8-16-32
Level 3:  124 units  4-8-16-32-64

If we lose 5 bets in a row at level 1 we will have lost 31 units.  By beginning with 93 units, we have 1 ea. level 1 bank and 1 ea. level 2 bank.  Any time we lose at level 1,  1-2-4-8-16 we will move to level 2 to recover.  We will subtract the number of units we won prior to losing 31 units and divide by 2 and that will tell us how many times we will need to win at level 2.  Let’s say we won 13 times at level 1 and then we lost 31 units.  Subtracting 13 from 31 equals 18 units lost.  Since we will be recovering 2 units each win at level 2, all we need to do is win 9 times at level 2 and we have our 31 units (13+18=31) and can begin again at level 1.

Continue to play at level 1 until you win an additional 124 units.  That’s a total of 217 units.  At that time you will be in pretty safe territory.  You will have a bank of 31 units, a bank of 62 units and a bank of 124 units.  What this means is that you will be able to recover a level 1 loss and a level 2 loss.

If you get this far, and I’m not guaranteeing that you will, but if you do, I suggest that you continue playing and adding to your bankroll until you get an additional 217 units or a total of 434 units.  With 434 units you have 2 sets of level 1, 2 and 3 bets.

From here, do what you wish.  I would suggest that you use Victor’s method of distributing winnings between yourself, and growing your banks.  You can find his method at the following link.


link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9257.msg77368#msg77368


I would test this a couple of times to see how it works for you.  Betvoyager non-zero would be nice for those of you who can get on-line.  RNG??


All I suggest you do is invest 93 units to see if you're one of the lucky ones.  As you've seen TwoCatSam do, you can bet pennies or dimes on betvoyager to test your luck.


GLC

[GLC]

I forgot one of the most important parts of the system.

After each win, we must skip a cerain number of spins before we can attack again.  Otherwise we're for sure going to find our sequence that we don't want to find.  A good way to do that is to use the dozens and skip the number of spins indicated by the dozen that hit last.  So if the last number was 15, we would skip 2 spins before starting out next capped martingale.

You don't like dozens?  Use Lines or even Streets to indicate how many spins to skip.  This is just a means of introducing random into the selection process.

Also, you either play for the same 5 colors or you can choose a different sequence for each attack.  Picking a new one after each win gets a little hectic, but you can do it if you want.

[TwoCatSam]

George

I play pennies.

Sam

[Ralph]

I have tried simular methods. I use to progress  1 2 3  6 the first atempt and 2  4 8 16  the second.
I bet against a run of four. To put some randomness in I use a card deck, play red or black according to the cards color and order.

I will take some plays using your idea, start at once. 

[Ralph]

I was unlucky the first attempt. I  could not recover in a few sessions.

Then I decide to flatbet 50 units, and recovered after a while.

I think this we should play then and then, maybe when we see  a choppy pattern.
We get in problems with the longer run, we bet against, if the pattern not chops often.

[GLC]

I was unlucky the first attempt. I  could not recover in a few sessions.

Then I decide to flatbet 50 units, and recovered after a while.

I think this we should play then and then, maybe when we see  a choppy pattern.
We get in problems with the longer run, we bet against, if the pattern not chops often.

Sorry about your bad luck.

1  2  3  6 is good also.  Takes a little more luck to pull ahead but luck is a big word with this one.

My brother used this system last night instead of slots and actually walked out of the casino up $93.  That beats down $200.

I only recommend 1 attempt at this system unless you play for pennies.  93 unit investment at 1 penny per unit is $0.93.

If you start off winning, keep going.  If you lose, abandon system and move on!

Cheers

[TwoCatSam]

George

Geez, this is very interesting, too.  I'm about to go on overload!!

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

GLC

Been giving this a lot of thought.

Let's assume that in a 1,000 spin trot, you see RRRRR twenty times.  Just for argument.......

What would be a good time to enter the game?  I'm thinking right after RRRRR!  One of the devil's is dead and two in a row is unlikely.  If you're going to do a Martingale anyway, might as well be as safe as possible.

I actually once played this with a good deal of success.  Just too darn much work for the little money I made.  Turned a fun hobby into a low-paying part-time job.

Sam

[GLC]

GLC

Been giving this a lot of thought.

Let's assume that in a 1,000 spin trot, you see RRRRR twenty times.  Just for argument.......

What would be a good time to enter the game?  I'm thinking right after RRRRR!  One of the devil's is dead and two in a row is unlikely.  If you're going to do a Martingale anyway, might as well be as safe as possible.

I actually once played this with a good deal of success.  Just too darn much work for the little money I made.  Turned a fun hobby into a low-paying part-time job.

Sam

Sam,  this is a fun way to play roulette.  My brother is one of the worst gamblers of all time.  He's a slot maniac.  I came up with this method, (I'm sure other have come up with similar ones) to give him something to do other than slots.  It has to have some excitement to it and move at a pretty good pace to keep his attention.


With a little luck, you can stay ahead of the tax collector for quite a while.  Long term?  I think it tanks no matter how you tweak it.


You're right, the safer you try to make it, the larger your bets have to be to make it worth the time.


GLC

[Robeenhuut]

GLC

Been giving this a lot of thought.

Let's assume that in a 1,000 spin trot, you see RRRRR twenty times.  Just for argument.......

What would be a good time to enter the game?  I'm thinking right after RRRRR!  One of the devil's is dead and two in a row is unlikely.  If you're going to do a Martingale anyway, might as well be as safe as possible.

I actually once played this with a good deal of success.  Just too darn much work for the little money I made.  Turned a fun hobby into a low-paying part-time job.

Sam

Ok i attach just 4 sessions from SMLive 185 live spins sessions. I just picked 4 first ones.  We have 21 cases when either R or B went at least 5 spins in a row.  In 2 cases it went over 10 spins. I guess we don't need any more math  Its just betting against EC for 5 times at any point. I lost in real or virtually 6 or 7 times in a row enough times betting on any EC.  In my humble opinion the strike rate its just not here.

Regards

[Ralph]

Take any EC-method and give it to 1024 different persons, and tell them they need a 100 dollars bankroll, and they should play just once a week, and stop on double bankroll.

512 will tell you your method is crap, and a loser, 512 will tell you its a winning method.

Next week 256 will tell you its even more great, and 256 will tell you its a break even method,
The othe 512 will not talk to you.

After three weeks you will have 128 very happy players, who call you roulette guru.
128 will be absent.

It will continue until one of the players got a large winning, and the rest have lost.

This one will  think he speak the truth , then he is used as testimonial  of the method.

So  continue to make your ideas here in the forum, for some a method is working, but not for all.

[Robeenhuut]

Take any EC-method and give it to 1024 different persons, and tell them they need a 100 dollars bankroll, and they should play just once a week, and stop on double bankroll.

512 will tell you your method is nonsense, and a loser, 512 will tell you its a winning method.

Next week 256 will tell you its even more great, and 256 will tell you its a break even method,
The othe 512 will not talk to you.

After three weeks you will have 128 very happy players, who call you roulette guru.
128 will be absent.

It will continue until one of the players got a large winning, and the rest have lost.

This one will  think he speak the truth , then he is used as testimonial  of the method.

So  continue to make your ideas here in the forum, for some a method is working, but not for all.

So Ralph which part of the camp you are in?  I can give you more spins that will show you that this bet selection is at least bit susceptible  Would you still play it?  And i don't believe that a method with clear rules is good for one guy and not good for 10 others. 
Its just that probably this one guy did not test it enough  And we all did it before.

[GLC]

And if nothing else, a topic like this can be a good teaching tool for those who are just getting their feel wet in this negative expectation game of roulette.

Just because this system won't work long term, don't go back to slots unless you can afford the $100 slots in Vegas that return 100%.  Better yet play "True Odds" deuces wild video poker correctly and you'll actually have a advantage on the house.  You still gotta have deep pockets, though.

[Ralph]

I played it see my post before. It went not well that time, and I think I have other better methods.
But the method  has value anyhow, it teach the you the wheel no worse than any graph, learn by doing. In a good day it can of course give winnings. I use to play inside, and are not afraid of aggressive play. It makes bigger winnings (and bigger loss).

All methods are good, if they make winnings!!!!

[GLC]

Ok i attach just 4 sessions from SMLive 185 live spins sessions. I just picked 4 first ones.  We have 21 cases when either R or B went at least 5 spins in a row.  In 2 cases it went over 10 spins. I guess we don't need any more math  Its just betting against EC for 5 times at any point. I lost in real or virtually 6 or 7 times in a row enough times betting on any EC.  In my humble opinion the strike rate its just not here.

Regards

I don't necessarily suggest always betting on a single color.  Different patterns for each attack are safer.  Even though RBRRB has the same odds of hitting as RRRRR, if you look on your spin charts, you won't see many extended sequences of RBRRBRBRRBRBRRBRBRRB but you will see RRRRRRR or BBBBBBBBB much more often.  Try jumping in the middle of RBRRBRBRRBRBRRB at just the right place to lose verses jumping in the middle of RRRRRRRRRRRRRR at just the right place to lose.