Hector's Grail.

[GLC]

 I didn't make this system up.  It was given to me.  The story's almost too unbelievable to share with you guys, but at the risk of being called a bald faced liar, I will.

Last week, I was down at the local casino owned by the Tohono O'odam Indian Tribe here in Pima County, Arizona.  I was trying to play my ROL vs BEH system for some fun.  As you may remember, there's a lot of tracking, so I was pretty engrossed in my work most of the time.  I would take a breather everytime I won 5 units.  Sometimes not so many breathers.  But, today was a good day.

The table has 6 locations to place your bets at and there were 3-5 people playing most of the time.  I had gotten off work early because of a monsoon cloud burst that shut our roadway striping project down at about 11 AM.  I noticed an Indian fella playing roulette who looked like he was old enough to be Geronimo's great grandfather. 

He was a couple of seats away from me and had pen and paper and was keeping track of each spin and every now and then he would make a bet.  During my breather times, I would watch him to see if I could figure out what he was doing.  I could tell that he was tracking a lot and betting not so often, but having a pretty good run of luck.  He reminded me of F_LAT_INO.  Didn't look up from his station even once as if he were the only person in the casino.  I wanted to ask him what he was doing, but thoughts of the guy who went beserk on the airball machine at Flat's local casino popped into my mind, so I kept quiet.

He had finally won all he wanted and retrieved his ticket and was getting ready to go to the Cashier's window.  I ventured to ask him if he came there often.  He hadn't gotten up yet and swung his chair toward me with a big grin on his face.  "Every day!  He said.   I've seen you here before too young man", he said.  Sometimes I play poker, but every day I play roulette."

I mentioned that I had noticed him doing a lot of tracking but hadn't quite figured out exactly what he was doing.  His answer, "Winning!"  With that he let out big whoop, swung around and headed for the cashier's window.  I wasn't going to let him get away with that kind of answer so I scurried along right behind him and asked if he would mind telling me his system, or at least give me the main idea if not all the details.

This is the system he gave me.  And mind you, he gave it to me as we walked throught the casino.  He said that he only played the even chances.  I named it after him.  It's the least I could do.  He told me what he called it, but it was pure dee Indian and there's no way I can say it much less spell it. 

He said he only made 1 bet for each trigger.  He bet $10 units.  His win target was 5 units.  Sometimes he left the casino and other times he went to play some poker. 

I asked how often he won his 5 units.  He said almost every time.  He said that this was his 25th time in a row to win his 5 units.  He gave some other stats.  I started wondering if he were JL's grandfather, but decided that would be to big a stretch.  He brings $200 to the casino.  Not just for roulette, but also for his poker game.

Since it was shortly after noon, I asked him if he had eaten.  "No." he replied.  So I asked him if I could buy him lunch at the buffet.  He looked to me like he hadn't eaten in about a week.  He said that he would be glad to take me up on that offer. 

I won't bore you with the details of how he had been in the Marines during WWII and while overseas he had become friends with a buddy who loved to gamble.  His buddy taught him to play poker and he eventually learned to play roulette.  He devised this system himself after spending two weeks in the desert eating peyote and communing with his ancestors.
Alright.  Let's get on with the syste.  We’re looking for a series of spins without 3 repeats in a row.   It is based on the idea that streaks are pretty common so when we don't run into one within a certain number of spins, you can start betting that chops have had center stage long enough and it's about time for some streaking.

I’ll explain the system using Red/Black.  We track until we have 10 spins without 3 of the same color in a row.  We can have any combination of singles and doubles in a row, but no triples. 
Once we reach our 10^the spin, we bet 1 unit that the 11th spin will be the same color as the 10^the.  This is all Hector, my Indian friend's name, bets.  But, I like progressions so if we lose this 1st bet, we bet 1 unit that the 12^the spin will be the same color as the 11^the spin.  If we lose, we stop betting and wait for another opportunity.  We continue our progression at the next betting opportunity.

We’ll use the penthouse progression for even chances.
1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8-8-9-9 etc…
Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 1 step to the left on a win.  Any time we’re ahead, start over on the progression.

Here are the other bet locations.
Double dozens or double columns:  Track until 5 spins pass without a double dozen or double column winning 3 times in a row.  Just keep track of the last 2 dozens or columns to hit.   Or you can bet the 2 dozens or columns other than the last 1 to hit.  Or, the most recent and the furthest to hit.  You decide how to select the double dozens. 
Then bet 1 time for the next spin to repeat.
Use a penthouse type progression here also. 
1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8-8-9-9 etc… 
Move 2 steps to the right on a loss and 1 step to the left on a win.

Dozens or Columns:  Track until 15 spins w/o a 3peat.  Bet 3 times for a repeat of the last dozen to spin.
Progression: 1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-5 etc…  Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 2 steps to the left on a win.

Lines:  Track until 30 spins w/o a 3peat.  Bet 6 times for a repeat of the last Line to spin.
Progression: 1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-4-4 etc…  Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 5 steps to the left on a win.

Streets:  Track until 60 spins w/o a 3peat.  Bet 12 times for a repeat of the last Street to spin.
Progression: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4 etc…  Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 11 steps to the left on a win.


There you go.  It cost me a $20 meal.  I expect to get my money back and then some.

Hope you enjoy the game.

Hector, I mean George

[VLS]

Thanks for sharing this with us dear George!! 

May it keep going strong (Long and prosper).

P.S. Loved his answer: 'Winning!'... ah! Priceless to experience these folks face to face!

[GLC]

Thanks for the thumbs up my friend.  Vaya con Dios, amigo.  Blessings to you and your family as well.

I would like to add that when Hector said he came up with this system while taking peyote and communing with his ancestors in the desert, he gave a little wink.  I'm not sure what he intended me to think.  Maybe he was just joking with me since a lot of stories involve the Indians and their ceremonies where they use peyote, mushrooms, mescaline and other psychadelics.  Having a little fun with the Gringo maybe.  Or who knows?  It may have been exactly what happened.

One thing I will say is that I've run across some interesting people at these Indian Casinos.

Grab a list of old spins and look down them and see how this system does.  It's not so hard to test.  Before you call Hector a liar about his winning streaks, you would have to try this with a flatbet.

There's one other principle I forgot to mention.  He said he keeps an eye on how many doubles there are in the 10 spins.  If there are 3 or more doubles, he usually passes that bet even if there are no 3peats.  Think about it.  It makes sense to me.  Especially if you're flat betting a decent unit size.

If things are going well, he says he will take a chance even with 3 doubles.  It's a judgement call.  Darn.  That must mean we have to get a real sense for the system.  That may be the decision that gives us that little edge.

GLC

[TwoCatSam]

George

Not only do I like the idea but you are a darn good writer.

Thanks for that!

Sam

[Ralph]

Couldn't wait for trying it!  Put a cent on LOW and let autospin run 10 times.  Got 10 BLACK.
did it again, got 6 RED and 4 BLACK and both three in a row. Thinking of provoking the wheel, so I started a parlay on RED using 1 cent. Yes the chopping starts and I got the opportunity to try.
Put 5 Euro, miss the first, then hitting three times in a row. I reduce the stake to 0.5 the next spin and lose it.

I will remember the system, and try it now and then, when it is chopping.

The funny thing with system built on history, is they can work for a long time, and at the end you find out, it had its time, and start to lose for a long period. If you drop it say for six month, things can run smooth again, for a while.

[mogwai]

Thanks for sharing GLC!

Just a couple of questions here, if Hector bet wins on the 11th spin, does he bet again on the 12th?

Also Hector flat bet right?

[ginger]

Hello George,

Nice story and the way of playing the "system" is also good.
I use this system so now and than the last 3 years in the Rotterdam Casino...with good results.

Played it last night with good results â,¬ 7800,- up , so I will take it easy at the dutch beach today.

Greetings

John              Rotterdam

I didn't make this system up.  It was given to me.  The story's almost too unbelievable to share with you guys, but at the risk of being called a bald faced liar, I will.

Last week, I was down at the local casino owned by the Tohono O'odam Indian Tribe here in Pima County, Arizona.  I was trying to play my ROL vs BEH system for some fun.  As you may remember, there's a lot of tracking, so I was pretty engrossed in my work most of the time.  I would take a breather everytime I won 5 units.  Sometimes not so many breathers.  But, today was a good day.

The table has 6 locations to place your bets at and there were 3-5 people playing most of the time.  I had gotten off work early because of a monsoon cloud burst that shut our roadway striping project down at about 11 AM.  I noticed an Indian fella playing roulette who looked like he was old enough to be Geronimo's great grandfather. 

He was a couple of seats away from me and had pen and paper and was keeping track of each spin and every now and then he would make a bet.  During my breather times, I would watch him to see if I could figure out what he was doing.  I could tell that he was tracking a lot and betting not so often, but having a pretty good run of luck.  He reminded me of F_LAT_INO.  Didn't look up from his station even once as if he were the only person in the casino.  I wanted to ask him what he was doing, but thoughts of the guy who went beserk on the airball machine at Flat's local casino popped into my mind, so I kept quiet.

He had finally won all he wanted and retrieved his ticket and was getting ready to go to the Cashier's window.  I ventured to ask him if he came there often.  He hadn't gotten up yet and swung his chair toward me with a big grin on his face.  "Every day!  He said.   I've seen you here before too young man", he said.  Sometimes I play poker, but every day I play roulette."

I mentioned that I had noticed him doing a lot of tracking but hadn't quite figured out exactly what he was doing.  His answer, "Winning!"  With that he let out big whoop, swung around and headed for the cashier's window.  I wasn't going to let him get away with that kind of answer so I scurried along right behind him and asked if he would mind telling me his system, or at least give me the main idea if not all the details.

This is the system he gave me.  And mind you, he gave it to me as we walked throught the casino.  He said that he only played the even chances.  I named it after him.  It's the least I could do.  He told me what he called it, but it was pure dee Indian and there's no way I can say it much less spell it. 

He said he only made 1 bet for each trigger.  He bet $10 units.  His win target was 5 units.  Sometimes he left the casino and other times he went to play some poker. 

I asked how often he won his 5 units.  He said almost every time.  He said that this was his 25th time in a row to win his 5 units.  He gave some other stats.  I started wondering if he were JL's grandfather, but decided that would be to big a stretch.  He brings $200 to the casino.  Not just for roulette, but also for his poker game.

Since it was shortly after noon, I asked him if he had eaten.  "No." he replied.  So I asked him if I could buy him lunch at the buffet.  He looked to me like he hadn't eaten in about a week.  He said that he would be glad to take me up on that offer. 

I won't bore you with the details of how he had been in the Marines during WWII and while overseas he had become friends with a buddy who loved to gamble.  His buddy taught him to play poker and he eventually learned to play roulette.  He devised this system himself after spending two weeks in the desert eating peyote and communing with his ancestors.
Alright.  Let's get on with the syste.  We’re looking for a series of spins without 3 repeats in a row.   It is based on the idea that streaks are pretty common so when we don't run into one within a certain number of spins, you can start betting that chops have had center stage long enough and it's about time for some streaking.

I’ll explain the system using Red/Black.  We track until we have 10 spins without 3 of the same color in a row.  We can have any combination of singles and doubles in a row, but no triples. 
Once we reach our 10^the spin, we bet 1 unit that the 11th spin will be the same color as the 10^the.  This is all Hector, my Indian friend's name, bets.  But, I like progressions so if we lose this 1st bet, we bet 1 unit that the 12^the spin will be the same color as the 11^the spin.  If we lose, we stop betting and wait for another opportunity.  We continue our progression at the next betting opportunity.

We’ll use the penthouse progression for even chances.
1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8-8-9-9 etc…
Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 1 step to the left on a win.  Any time we’re ahead, start over on the progression.

Here are the other bet locations.
Double dozens or double columns:  Track until 5 spins pass without a double dozen or double column winning 3 times in a row.  Just keep track of the last 2 dozens or columns to hit.   Or you can bet the 2 dozens or columns other than the last 1 to hit.  Or, the most recent and the furthest to hit.  You decide how to select the double dozens. 
Then bet 1 time for the next spin to repeat.
Use a penthouse type progression here also. 
1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8-8-9-9 etc… 
Move 2 steps to the right on a loss and 1 step to the left on a win.

Dozens or Columns:  Track until 15 spins w/o a 3peat.  Bet 3 times for a repeat of the last dozen to spin.
Progression: 1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-5 etc…  Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 2 steps to the left on a win.

Lines:  Track until 30 spins w/o a 3peat.  Bet 6 times for a repeat of the last Line to spin.
Progression: 1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-4-4 etc…  Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 5 steps to the left on a win.

Streets:  Track until 60 spins w/o a 3peat.  Bet 12 times for a repeat of the last Street to spin.
Progression: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4 etc…  Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 11 steps to the left on a win.


There you go.  It cost me a $20 meal.  I expect to get my money back and then some.

Hope you enjoy the game.

Hector, I mean George

[roulettefan]

@ginger
can you explain us how you play on even chance
wich bankroll
witch progression with an exemple thanl a lot

[roulettefan]

how you play this sequence

30
6
21
11
35
19
22
3
33
33
3
10
3
21
31
18
15
4
7
6
30
3
10
2
11
6
27
20
9
15

[Robeenhuut]

The other way to exploit the fact that series are sort of due to happen is to play FTL after longer sequence of chops or doubles. Im not so sure about this 10th spin. I like Guetting progression with that. It produces good results when series happen.  Its coded in Rx but only with bet selection of one EC. And played this way it mostly delivers.

[Ralph]

I use to plat Guetting as well, its cut a bit if you play it so you end it with two losses, but on the other hand its the only way to try to continue, very often just one chop and then the run goes a few more steps.

[ego]

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I understand everything and thanks for a very well written topic.

Now let me show you how similiar it is towards Marigny.

Lets assume singles has the value of 1 and series of 2 has the value of 0 and series of three the value of 1.
Now each time you get a large strings of singles and series of two the standard divition grow and get stronger - imbalance.

Now as there is as much as singles as there is series so are higher series due or sleeping or underrepresented each time you get a long string of singles and series of two.

Marigny caculate singles and series of two to hit 3.00 standard divsion before he attacks for larger series.
But he does not attack direct - he first wait for present correction before attacking.

Conclusion is that your new friend pin point out a smaller state of imbalance and bet for small tiny draw downs of corrections toward higher series to shape.

The only thing wrong with your friends picture is that he should not caculate 10 trails with out a trippel - he should caculate 10 events.
Each single is one event and each serie is one event.

I have not test this but run some short sampels.
This is how they look like.

2         
2     
2 
1 1
2 2           
1             
1 3   
2             
1 4
2 5
2 6
1             
1 7
2                 
1 8
2 9
2
2 W           
2 W           
2 W           
1           
1         
2 L           
1     
1
1 W         
2
2       
1           
1
1 W

As you can se trippels start to chop and higher series.

2
2
2   
2
1
1 1       
2         
1 2
2 3
2 4
1
2 5
1 6
2 7
1 8
1 9
1 W
2       
2     
2 W   
2 W       
2 W   
1   
2     
2     
2 W   
1
2     
1
2
2
2 W

As you can see so does trippel chop and higher series.

2
2
2
1
2 1   
1 2
1 3
2
2 4
1
1 5
2
1 6
2 7
2 8
2 W
1       
1     
1 W       
1 W       
1 W   
2   
1     
2     
2
2 W
2 W
1
1
1 W
1 W
1 W
1 W

As you can see trippel chop and higher series

2   
2
2
1
2 1
1 2
2 3
1 4
2 5
1 6
2 7
1 8
1 9
1 W
1 W   
2   
2
2 W
2 W   
1   
2
1   
1
1 W
2
2
1 L
1
1 W
1 W
1 W
2
2
1 L
1
2 L
2
2 W
2 W
1
2
2
2 W

As you can see trippels and higher series chop.

This is the same thing to aim into a high probability area based upon math.
As the distribution is not perfect distributing first singles then series of two then series of three then series of four in that cronologic order.

So what is this about.
Well you create or look for a loop hole where one event is underrepresented - due to show.
He play with out any indication or tendency and Marigny does.
He should use events and not trails.

This is a valid working trending method.

Many thanks for a great topic.

[Wally Gator]

George, are you sure this isn't "Geronimo's Grail" ......

[Master_of_pockets]

I also agree with ego that this is a kind of Marigny.

GLC did your friend told u when he stops betting and retrack a new 10 spins cycle without 3 runs in a row?

[Robeenhuut]

I would not be surprised if series of 3 Ec's hit on average every 10 spins but it would be impossible to take advantage of that in just one bet