Dear all,
My main motive behind joining this forum was to form an exclusive group who can mutually put ideas and testing together to form a system which takes care of proper bet selection, progression(if necessary), bankroll management, stoploss, loss recovery, triggers, streaks,sleepers etc. The maximum bankroll required should not be more than 100 units and profit has to be there even after playing for long. I can see in this forum and various other forums the so-called "Systems" are basically spineless and losers in long run. I do have some playing techniques, which wins at last but most of them needs bigger bankroll. So let's club our ideas, experience and hardwork(testing) together to create a final playable technique which can be used without thinking too much. Inputs for RNG roulette are always welcome.
Whoever wants to join this exclusive group, reply here with what he is going to contribute.
Very nice .
I agree with you.
We have a very calm forum in here that day by day more and more memebers are joining.
So this means that we have all the nessesary things togeather to make systems.
I will be glad to help.
I will tell 1 thing though.
I am involved in roulette 3 years now EVERYDAY.
I have made a lot of systems and ofcource in the beginning of my 3 years trip I tested the well known losers systems.I also learned VB and played VB...nowdays that Casinos know about the conditions of the VB and Bias that are needed for the player to win,it is almost impossible to find such conditions...So I gave up on VB.
Because its like having a Lamborgini but no free ways to run.
The conclusion that I have made 3 years of research (and also it is very natural) is that
in Roulette there are NO betting selections that are winning more or losing more!
Every bet is the same,because every spin is completely indipendent.It doesn't parisipate in any froup of spins...what you see as a resault e.g. RRRBBRBRRB in the patterns is just the pure randomness that can do anything and when you will observe millions of spins you will see that NO pattern is better or worst.
So the conclusion is that IF we can win in Roulette ,the betting selection has nothing to do with it. ONLY the Money management could make a deference.
Yesterday I had an idea of all the things that I have learned in Roulette so far.
Today I am gonna test this idea of the MM that came to me.
I will tell you 1 more time...do not bother with Betting selections...
Betting the last or betting the penultinate or betting anything,doesn't change anything.
In some sessions the last will be winning and in other will be losing and in other sessions the penultimate will be winning and in other will be losing...
All these are just Random formations made by the pure Randomness of the game.
In my new idea of MM is that the negative edje of this game is small -2.7.
I will think of my project ,then I will test it a lot and if it is OK I will post it here.
Keep in mind that all of my ideas are for making 10-15 chips per session and then go homme. Even this is IMPOSSIBLE(to win in every visit I mean..or even win more than the losing ones)
So imagine the rest...
And when I say win 10-15 chips and go homme ,I don t mean anout HIT and RUN approatch...because this is also a Fallasy!
I say win 10-15 because it is a good and easy gain in order to add up in every visit and also because with the safety that we need in a system we MUST NOT increze dangerous the proggresions so the +10 can be in just 20 spins but it can also happen in 200 spins!.
So the correct project of everu system in roulette is this:
U must have in mind that because the Casino has the edje,it means that in the long run ,ALWAYS u will have more losing bets than the winning ones! But the losing bets will not be a lot more thna the winning ones because the ejde is only -2,7. so every succesfull method should have a MM that will make us + in the end of the session even if the WINS will be LESS than the losses.
And always with a safe way and not martignales.
Anyone that thinks that there is a better betting selection then the odds then I am telling him to test it FLAT betting.because it it is indeed better then other betting selections then it should be winning flat!
But this is never gonna happen
Jordan,
I agree with you regarding 'hit and run' tactics, but not about bet selection being a waste of time. And if you agree with the maths in this respect (that no BS is better than any other) then to be consistent you have to agree that no progressions or MM can work either (which is what the maths also says). The maths says that NOTHING works, period (only AP).
There definitely ARE ways to reduce the dispersion between hits, which doesn't necessarily mean you will win flat betting (but could be enough to make a profit with clever MM), and some claim to win flat-betting too. What about Victor's method? and there are others like Bombus - are they ALL either liars or haven't tested enough?
I agree with you on the point of the maths...I just hope like all of u! :)
Now as for Bombus ...if he would really had a winning method he wouldn t bother potsing in forums and also being a Moderator...LoL..this is funny. He would also not bother is reading other ppls methods and test them...
Roulette is ment to be unbeatable...so IF there is a winning method and U have found it...u would never care to find something else.
As for Victor's method...we can NOT say anything before we will test it a lot...can we? ;)
I have made systems like the Perfect Balance in the past...which I consider it the best system ever!Every member got crazy with it!
it won about 3.500 chips before tank....
so every system must be tested in at least 100.000 spins to say that it is a winner...
Also keep in mind that someone will finally understand that the outcome is being made from a wheel and a ball then he will imediatelly understand that everything is posible and that NO better bets exist.
The only thing that we could hope is the probability....but as u know it isnn t working.
Keep also in mind that IF there was winning methos...Casinos would have closed roulette or they would have made new rules to prevent this system of winning.
NOTHING THAT INVOLVES UNLIMITED AND EASY MONEY COULD EVER REMAIN A SECRET!!!
The person that would have invent this kind of system would soon or later expose it ...
reasons?
1)To help his closest ppl(so they would do the same and it would be spread)
2)for glory
Quote from: Jordan on Sep 07, 07:51 AM 2010
As for Victor's method...we can NOT say anything before we will test it a lot...can we? ;)
No, we can't. We have to wait and see. :-X
"So the conclusion is that IF we can win in Roulette ,the betting selection has nothing to do with it. ONLY the Money management could make a deference."
@ Jordan
Sorry but I've to disagree with that :)
ok A3 on.
then search for the rest of ur life for a bet selection that will be winning in the long term more than the others! hahahah!
QuoteONLY the Money management could make a deference
No apologies, I agree with this statement, the game is random, the flows WILL eventually catch up.
Well, all I can say is that I've never been able to make a profit from MM alone, some attention to BS is necessary - but I'm happy to be proved wrong! ;D
Dear all,
Good discussion. Do you believe that any software like super roulette or any one for that matter helps getting edge? Can you name any successfull tool which you really believe to be a winner in long run?
Quote from: Jordan on Sep 07, 02:07 PM 2010
Ok A3 on.
then search for the rest of your life for a bet selection that will be winning in the long term more than the others! hahahah!
Then tell me what difference can you make with a money management plan that can turn the house edge in you side?
Btw, no hard feelings, but you shouldn't be so closed minded
Regards,
Afonso
Please do not go off-topic. Can someone lead us with a candle in the dark?
Quote from: albalaha on Sep 08, 01:52 PM 2010
Please do not go off-topic. Can someone lead us with a candle in the dark?
You albalaha ! Your the Moderator here, and its your thread :thumbsup:
Can someone please come up with outlines of a successful system? Pessimists please leave this thread who says we can never win. This thread is not for arguments and personal egos but to get some conclusion. Who will do testing on RX and live spins?
I can test
But I just test by hand ;)
If it's ok with that I would be very glad to help :thumbsup:
I can help to making a system, but for now I'm out of ideas (I already tried and tested a lot of my own system and for now can't remember of anything more)
But who knows, with an ideas storm, we can join a bit of everything and get something great ;D
Dear Afonso,
developing a good system is not an easy task. You need to waste time and money and be focussed always. Aboveall, you need to have a theme to develop. Can you help testing it manually. Can anybody do it through some softwares also?
I have a great winning theory based upon betting 5 numbers. I want to get it tested through RX and manually. Bayes have provided a data of 7,00,000 spins of a single table in this forum. Manual tester will take any piece of 1000 spins data and work out it and will report back. Very serious and hardworking testers come ahead and reply here and pm or email me.
Count on me for manually test :)
Afonso,
I have given you the technique, report me first the results and if it is positive I will do an acid test and if still remains profitable, I will release it to all forum members here.
Afonso has not answered for last 4-5 days, may be some personal reasons. I need more system testers to test my new methods of earning. Only sincere and hardworking testers approach me.
Hi albalaha.Maybe I can help you.I can code it on Delphi.
Ok pm me your email. If you are hard working, you will ultimately get a great idea.
Well until I can code myself I can test by hand, I'm pretty fast at it =) You know my email if you want some help.
Marcus,
check your hotmail and reply me.
Just joined this topic, I like the i idea, so I am all yours guys.
I also believe in what Jordan stated in the beginning of this topic, the outcomes, it can be anyting. At the end you allways will see a story line if you know what to look for. But you never can build on that.
I believe more in betting syetems that are on the inside bets than on the outside bets.
Grouping nrs into black or red, doesnt make any sense to me, however I believe its possible to obtain winnings grouping nrs differently, depending on the strategy.
I believe progression is inevitable and a good managament is always needed.
Bob
I did test one of your systems and then I wanted to know if I did it right because I lost it all right away. After that I havn't got an answer, as usual. It seems that you ignore me sometimes..
whoever wants to test should be ready for testing many times and tell every progress to me. Those who are looking for magical formula should not come ahead.
Quote from: albalaha on Sep 30, 01:35 PM 2010
Whoever wants to test should be ready for testing many times and tell every progress to me. Those who are looking for magical formula should not come ahead.
Why don't you answer my email and explain more ask I asked? Can't understand you really, I'm trying to help you with some testing but instead you ignore my questions..
I want cool headed people and hard working ones and not warriors. Most of the guys who are coming forward for testing doing nothing quietly but showing their own expertise. I am not calling here self-proclaimed experts who neither have any original idea nor they are ready for testing properly. Only serious guys please come forward.
So far Iggiv did good testing and now Carsch is doing very well. Maybe soon I will provide the best winning forumula here. Any other volunteer?